🇺🇸 Discussion: General Election 2024, 🥥 VS 🍊

[Mani-Man]

No one is blaming minority voters, in this case, in a state Kamala needed, muslim voters decided Trump was a lesser evil than Kamala and Biden, yet Trump has been pretty clear his support for Isreal is a million times stronger than Biden, frankly, how much can an American president really do?
The exit polling showed the vast majority of people only cared about the economy, saying it was bad, which is hilarious as the US economy is the strongest in the world, lowest unemployment in 50 years, corporations are making record profits each quarter, inflation was coming down, interest rates were being cut, salaries were increasing, yet, republicans especially here in Ohio ran on what they called failed Bidenomics, high grocery prices, again, let me ask, when Kroger reports billions in profit during what we are told is high inflation, is it inflation or corporate greed, the CEO of Kroger said in front of congress that he could easily lower prices, but wouldnt till they acquired a grocery chain out west, so they had the abilty to lower food prices, but chose not to, same with Wal-Mart who eventually did on some products, so clearly amercians have zero idea how an economy works.
If those who voted for Trump think things are going to get better, just wait for his tariffs that is expected to add $4,000 in new taxes to every amercian, or when Elon is unleashed on the budget and was quoted as saying things will be bad for awhile, all while trump is promising tax cuts for the rich, and who will suffer the most...the middle class, the people who just voted Trump and didnt trust Kamala.

The Problem is that a lot of people arent as invested in Politics.
They dont know that the Inflation is a global problem.
They only know they pay too much for Bread.
They dont care that the Economy is so good, if that doesnt give them more money or cheaper Butter, it doesnt matter.

And here the democratic party failed.
They failed to adress why Inflation is not a biden problem and instead a Trump problem.
They failed to tell the people what they will do for Bread to become cheaper.
They failed to tell them how the Economy is good for them, how Trumps plans will cripple the country.

That is stuff where Democrats have to do far better.
Trump could use all these things for himself, to blame Democrats, immigrants etc and trick people with the Tariffs and so on.
Democrats should have done much more to expose Trumps politics while showing theirs.

 

[blueharvest]

People around the world are appalled by Trump’s win, but women have been gripped by a visceral horror | Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett

The hatred of this far-right misogynist administration has been written on women’s bodies. You don’t have to be American, pregnant or a mother to feel it, writes Guardian columnist Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett

www.theguardian.com

 

[blueharvest]

Trump's win is so much worse this time. Americans knew what they were voting for | Emma Brockes

Even after a failed coup and numerous legal wranglings, many men could not bring themselves to vote for a woman, says Guardian columnist Emma Brockes

www.theguardian.com

 

[blueharvest]

 

[Ironfan72]

The Problem is that a lot of people arent as invested in Politics.
They dont know that the Inflation is a global problem.
They only know they pay too much for Bread.
They dont care that the Economy is so good, if that doesnt give them more money or cheaper Butter, it doesnt matter.

And here the democratic party failed.
They failed to adress why Inflation is not a biden problem and instead a Trump problem.
They failed to tell the people what they will do for Bread to become cheaper.
They failed to tell them how the Economy is good for them, how Trumps plans will cripple the country.

That is stuff where Democrats have to do far better.
Trump could use all these things for himself, to blame Democrats, immigrants etc and trick people with the Tariffs and so on.
Democrats should have done much more to expose Trumps politics while showing theirs.

What do Democrats have to do now, playing nice clearly isnt working, appealing to peoples decency didnt work, what kind of person do the democrats need right now, someone as horrible as trump?

 

[blueharvest]

What do Democrats have to do now, playing nice clearly isnt working, appealing to peoples decency didnt work, what kind of person do the democrats need right now, someone as horrible as trump?

This last election (and the one from 2016, too) proves that we'll probably never vote in a woman of any color. So, I guess the next candidate the Democrats go with should be white and male again.

And hope that they can defeat either Donald Trump or JD Vance.

 

[Mani-Man]

What do Democrats have to do now, playing nice clearly isnt working, appealing to peoples decency didnt work, what kind of person do the democrats need right now, someone as horrible as trump?

They need someone with a bark and a bite, but i dont know if the Democrat leadership is ready for that.
They kept putting a muzzle onto Walz who had the most effective attack against them when he just called them weird.
"When they go low we go high" is not working, but that doesnt mean you have to be as horrible as they are, as hatefilled as them.

Find someone who pushes, doesnt flinch and tells people how it is.
And stop trying to cater to the right, go left...really left.
Show that Democrats are not just the "lesser evil" show that they are the good option.

 

[blueharvest]

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Ironfan72]

This last election (and the one from 2016, too) proves that we'll probably never vote in a woman of any color. So, I guess the next candidate the Democrats go with should be white and male again.

And hope that they can defeat either Donald Trump or JD Vance.

Yeah, i agree, sadly this country is no where near ready for a women for president, i thought we were but clearly even women dont think so because white woman voted big for Trump, and frankly, outside Obama there isnt anyone in the democratic party i see as strong enough to even challenge Trump or Vance, there isnt any rising stars that the democrats can latch onto, as was said, the democrats are playing the nice card and clearly that does not reasonate in this country, as every trump rally and press conference was filled with hate and mocking, that seems to be america now.

 

[Breogan]

This is a real problem. White men ....

 

[Ironfan72]

They need someone with a bark and a bite, but i dont know if the Democrat leadership is ready for that.
They kept putting a muzzle onto Walz who had the most effective attack against them when he just called them weird.
"When they go low we go high" is not working, but that doesnt mean you have to be as horrible as they are, as hatefilled as them.

Find someone who pushes, doesnt flinch and tells people how it is.
And stop trying to cater to the right, go left...really left.
Show that Democrats are not just the "lesser evil" show that they are the good option.

Well, democrats need to change and quick, frankly it might be to late to be honest, all democrats do is in fight, they cant stay united for long and every faction inside the party wants something different, meanwhile republican have zero problems staying united, its the same message over and over, its possible the democratic party is dead.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

The Republican Party is by and large a party for the rich, the wealthiest %1. That is who they cut taxes for. That is why people like Elon Musk support Trump, etc.

Maybe trying to fight that by paling around with Mark Cuban is not the best idea. Maybe having most of your donors also being the wealthiest %1 doesn't send the right message. Maybe parading around the endorsements of Taylor Swift doesn't send the right message.

Its not enough to be "the lesser evil" compared to Trump and the Republicans. That isn't even really being the antithesis to what they stand for, just that you are a moderate version of them that is milk toast quite frankly.

Democrats need authenticity. They need to break with the rich elite of the party and go for the working class, and draw that distinction, and be FOR something. Be bold and brave. Stop being milk toast.

 

[blueharvest]

The Republican Party is by and large a party for the rich, the wealthiest %1. That is who they cut taxes for. That is why people like Elon Musk support Trump, etc.

Well, the Republican Party is mostly for the rich. It's also for poor and/or uneducated people that always vote against their best interests, too.

 

[blueharvest]

Record voter gains among Latinos for Trump mainly boiled down to their top issue — the economy

Vice President Kamala Harris won a slim majority of votes cast by Latinos, but Trump bested a high set by George W. Bush.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[blueharvest]

Harris Faced an Impossible Situation. I’ll Give You a Hint About What Comes Next.

Make no mistake about who’s to blame.

slate.com

 

[Ironfan72]

Well, the Republican Party is mostly for the rich. It's also for poor and/or uneducated people that always vote against their best interests, too.

Exactly, the amount of red state republicans make up a large group of people on welfare, social security, medicare and the affordable care act, yet, they vote overwhelmingly for the people that will take those things away, with a message that democrats will take you guns, give illegial immigrants your job, kill babies after they are born and this imaginary trickle down economics that the 1% of the wealth will trickle down to them without understanding that we live in a capitalist country that tells you to get as much money as possible for yourself, not others, even churches here only care about themselves, not all, but how many mega churches does this country have with preachers who are millionaires? more than there should be and when a disaster strikes they dont help, flying the face of the bible they speak from.
With Trump promising to eliminate the department of education, america is about to get dumber.

 

[Herofan]

You would think that especially young men and incel men would really dislike that Trump even associates with people who want to ban pornography.

 

[blueharvest]

You would think that especially young men and incel men would really dislike that Trump even associates with people who want to ban pornography.

They probably like Trump because he hates the same groups of people that they hate. Mainly women, I'm guessing.

 

[Ironfan72]

They probably like Trump because he hates the same groups of people that they hate. Mainly women, I'm guessing.

Woman, anyone not white, sadly america will never get passed its racism, Trump and his allies knew exactly what to latch onto and it worked, Kamala was the very person his base hates the most, black, well educated, woman, you notice in the exit polls one of the lowest things on the list as to why people voted for trump was the border, yet all i heard in Ohio was the broken border, the invasion from immigrants, its only an issue because we are told its an issue.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Record voter gains among Latinos for Trump mainly boiled down to their top issue — the economy

Vice President Kamala Harris won a slim majority of votes cast by Latinos, but Trump bested a high set by George W. Bush.

www.nbcnews.com

Hmm

Looks like when Republicans win the popular vote (2004, 2024), it's because of the Latino vote.

I think the ultimate candidate for Democrats is a young, Latino with a Bernie Sanders platform and a George Carlin mouth.

Might as well make him an ex special forces veteran while we're at it.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

You would think that especially young men and incel men would really dislike that Trump even associates with people who want to ban pornography.

Many consider porn degeneracy despite using it.

Kind of like an environmentalist who loves eating meat.

 

[Ironfan72]

Hmm

Looks like when Republicans win the popular vote (2004, 2024), it's because of the Latino vote.

I think the ultimate candidate for Democrats is a young, Latino with a Bernie Sanders platform and a George Carlin mouth.

Might as well make him an ex special forces veteran while we're at it.

Funny how Latinos voted for Trump are the very people Trump ran on to deport and calls them garbage.

 

[blueharvest]

 

[Drizzle]

Oh so they're going to throw Walz under the bus rather than look at inflation, Gaza and the perception of the border.

It's such BS. I'm also seeing claims that things might have been different if she chose Josh Shapiro as her VP, which is very doubtful.