🇺🇸 Discussion: General Election 2024, 🥥 VS 🍊

[Iceman]

Apparently not all women:

I'm disappointed at the 10% difference for Latino men. At least the other minority categories are majority Harris.

 

[Lily Adler]

I'm disappointed at the 10% difference for Latino men. At least the other minority categories are majority Harris.

Maybe she should have pushed turning the ACA into a ****ing public option and pushed for a ceasefire deal instead of telling protestors to shut up and vote for Trump and partying with the Cheneys.

 

[Detective Conan]

Apparently not all women:

Are white women okay?

 

[Zarex]

Just because the second part is true doesn't make the first part true. Lets be honest with ourselves and stop sticking our heads in the sand. Kamala did not "do fine". The democratic party in general has not been "doing fine" for a long time because it has a goddamn identity crisis.

Are they a party that supports working class people or are they a party that hangs out with rich celebrities and billionaires like Mark Cuban? Which is it?

Two term Dems Clinton & Obama hung out with rich celebrities and billionaires. It’s a necessary evil, those campaigns don’t pay for themselves! But they kept the support of the working class and I strongly doubt a statistically significant portion of the electorate changed their vote due to the former owner of the Mavs and/or Ms. Swift.

I’m not saying the Democratic Party doesn’t suck, because it ABSOLUTELY does. But that doesn’t explain what just happened. Kamala was a quality candidate and she did a fantastic job despite being thrust into an extremely challenging situation. But the US electorate chose Donald Trump after January 6, the moral equivalent of voting for Bin Laden after 9/11. This one’s on them.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

So Gen Z men think Democrats are a "threat to masculinity". Yes, LGBTQ+ people and women want to destroy their masculinity.

Their version of 'masculinity' =

Time for the balloon to make its comeback

 

[squeekness]

Their version of 'masculinity' =

Time for the balloon to make its comeback

Big time!

 

[Lily Adler]

Their version of 'masculinity' =

Time for the balloon to make its comeback

When did it leave?

 

[Kon]

I'm disappointed at the 10% difference for Latino men. At least the other minority categories are majority Harris.

In the last years, too many men have developed an "anti-feminism" ideology. Latino men are influenced by this kind of hate too.

Also, Latinos seem to believe that Trump isn't a threat to them because they are legal citizens. I don't even want to mention their discrimination to other latinos (especially illegal immigrants).

In fact, I would say black men had shown that "anti-feminism" ideology too, but they're likely more aware than Republicans are a threat for them.

 

[DoomRulz]

He's right. I'm amazed how many people didn't learn this back in 2016, but keep doubling & tripling down, I guess.

 

[Lily Adler]

In the last years, too many men have developed an "anti-feminism" ideology. Latino men are influenced by this kind of hate too.

Also, Latinos seem to believe that Trump isn't a threat to them because they are legal citizens. I don't even want to mention the discrimination to other latinos (especially illegal immigrants).

In fact, I would say black men had shown that "anti-feminism" ideology too, but they're likely more aware than Republicans are a threat for them.

We've definitely seen a rise of misogyny with movies and shows like Captain Marvel, Turning Red, Star Wars, and She-Hulk.

 

[Herofan]

What do Democrats have to do now, playing nice clearly isnt working, appealing to peoples decency didnt work, what kind of person do the democrats need right now, someone as horrible as trump?

I really thought someone like Walz (except younger) would pretty much be ideal candidate, am perplexed he didn't have a lot more positive impact.

You probably will need someone who is really outsider, who at least positions himself as centrist, as somehow real centrist on social issues (somehow pro-choice but reluctantly) and/or immigration (without being outright conservative or seeming like pandering), and especially, like Trump, as taking on his own party (arguing that they did make significant mistakes) as well as the other one (it's still a lot worse).

 

[Herofan]

The best thing parents can do is get their kids the **** off the internet and into some kind of real social life.

The second best thing is that liberals have to go into and copy the conservative internet ecosystem but from a different perspective if many parents won't do the best thing for their children.

Kyle & Krystal and Cenk and Ana (and Steven Bonnell) seemed like decent and I thought pretty big, significant left Internet commentators though Cenk has been declining into more just egomania and extremism against Israel (and sad that he and Ana had too much falling out, Ana going, becoming too centrist to continue with him).

 

[Herofan]

I can't believe that I, a 35 year old Millennial that ACTUALLY used homophobic slurs and other offensive words in Middle and High School, loved movies like Scary Movie, Rush Hour, Dude Where's My Car? and American Pie, am now WAY more liberal and progressive than the younger generations right now.

What. ****ing. Happened?

The stereotype is/was that today's young people/young liberals find stuff like American Pie and Scary Movie offensive rather than acceptable now, I guess that could cause some backlash from other young people, some of them moving away from liberalism but it definitely should be possible, even actually easy, to hold diverse and/or moderate views rather than going really reactionary.

 

[Kon]

The stereotype is/was that today's young people/young liberals find stuff like American Pie and Scary Movie offensive rather than acceptable now, I guess that could cause some backlash from other young people, some of them moving away from liberalism but it definitely should be possible, even actually easy, to hold diverse and/or moderate views rather than going really reactionary.

That's exactly what I though when I read Punisher_MAX message.

People can be overly defensive when faced with criticism.

 

[Herofan]

The problem is that the core message of the two campaigns was as follows:

Trump - I recognize that America is broken and I will fix it (doesn't matter that his policies don't make sense due to the broken state of American education and news media)
Biden/Harris - America and the economy is great and the status quo is worth fighting for. but here are a bunch of half-measures that will make it a little better for you (objectively better policies that make sense, but the message fails to recognize deep unhappiness)

Some of the PBS commentators thought that a lot of voters thought and disliked that the Democrats have too much emphasis on (the key to economic success is) increasing going to college, that that doesn't help, could even make things worse for those who didn't go, can't or think they can't go, shouldn't have to go now.

 

[DKDetective]

Some of the PBS commentators thought that a lot of voters thought and disliked that the Democrats have too much emphasis on (the key to economic success is) increasing going to college, that that doesn't help, could even make things worse for those who didn't go, can't or think they can't go (shouldn't have to go) now.

I'm not talking about college. Here, in Canada, it is very clear that the Boomer idea that going to university (we don't call it college) doesn't work anymore. The people with BAs are flailing and often have to go back to trade schools, etc. to find a meaningful middle-class career. There is a lot of push towards the trades, trade schools, etc.

But that is not what I was talking about in terms of education. Republicans with their vouchers and Charter schools, etc. have gutten the public education system in America and that is killing the ability of American voters to inform themselves and resist the false promises of demagogues like Trump.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Latest popular vote updates (this will go on for a couple of weeks)

Presidential and House Election Results Comparison (2006-2024)​

Popular Vote % (2006-2024)​
Year & President​	House Ds​	D Presidential Ticket​		House Rs​	R Presidential Ticket​
2006 Bush​	52.0%​	​		44.1%​	​
2008 Bush​	52.9%​	52.9%​	​	42.4%​	45.6%​
2010 Obama​	44.8%​	​	​	51.4%​	​
2012¹ Obama​	48.4%​	51.0%​	​	47.1%​	47.1%​
2014 Obama​	44.9%​	​	​	50.7%​	​
2016² Obama​	47.3%​	48.0%​	​	48.3%​	45.9%​
2018 Trump​	52.9%​	​		44.3%​	​
2020 Trump​	50.3%​	51.3%​	​	47.2%​	46.8%​
2022 Biden​	47.3%​	​	​	50.0%​	​
2024³ Biden	46.9%​	47.6%​		51.6%​	50.7%​
average (midterm)	48.4%​			48.1%​
average (all)​	48.8%​	​	​	47.7%​	​
average (pres.)​	49.2%​	50.1%​	​	47.3%​	47.2%​

¹ Democrats led the aggregate popular vote for the House in 2012 but Republicans won a majority of seats
² The Clinton/Kaine Democratic ticket led the popular vote for the presidency/vice presidency in 2016 but the Trump/Pence Republican ticket won the electoral college
³ 2024 results not final

Sources:
Dave Leip's Atlas of U.S. Presidential Elections
Election Statistics: 1920 to Present | US House of Representatives: History, Art & Archives
2024 House Vote Tracker | Cook Political Report

 

[Black Narcissus]

Spoke to a few white and Latino women in their late 20s. All of them voted blue last time, but this time they voted for Trump. Shakes my head, but the disconnect from Harris to this is wild.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Social media rots anyone's brains.

 

[Lily Adler]

Social media rots anyone's brains.

Joe Rogan is the number one podcaster in the world and that needs to end.

 

[squeekness]

Spoke to a few white and Latino women in their late 20s. All of them voted blue last time, but this time they voted for Trump. Shakes my head, but the disconnect from Harris to this is wild.

It is completely bewildering. What do these people see that I don't? Trump is the most despicable human being there is.

 

[Lily Adler]

It is completely bewildering. What do these people see that I don't? Trump is the most despicable human being there is.

 

[Lily Adler]

Doja Cat and Kidd Rock will perform at his Inauguration.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

The return of the aggressively lying press secretaries. Not just spin. Not misstatements. Deliberate lies.

 

[Lily Adler]

The return of the aggressively lying press secretaries. Not just spin. Not misstatements. Deliberate lies.

I'm going to be checked out of here until midterms. I have enough **** on my plate personally not to worry about Trump pushing regressive policies that may lead us into another depression.