🇺🇸 Discussion: General Election 2024, 🥥 VS 🍊

[Spider-Fan]

They'll gleefully open fire when that happens.

Which you may win a skirmish that way, but you'd be welcoming War with not just regular people, but probably street gangs and such as well. All across the country. There wouldn't be a strategic reason to do that when they can just pass laws and such that have similar effects but they have an entire media to sell it to the public and make them think it's a good idea

I am sure we will see more voter suppression tactics, like in GA, that make voting more difficult for specific people. Things like that are what the Republicans tend to do, and we will probably see more overt examples of that in the near future. But nothing as overt as literally kabashing the Civil Rights Act

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Which you may win a skirmish that way, but you'd be welcoming War with not just regular people, but probably street gangs and such as well. All across the country. There wouldn't be a strategic reason to do that when they can just pass laws and such that have similar effects but they have an entire media to sell it to the public and make them think it's a good idea

I am sure we will see more voter suppression tactics, like in GA, that make voting more difficult for specific people. Things like that are what the Republicans tend to do, and we will probably see more overt examples of that in the near future. But nothing as overt as literally kabashing the Civil Rights Act

Street gangs won't fight to save the country.

They're bullies and sociopaths who feed exclusively on the weak.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Street gangs won't fight to save the country.

They're bullies and sociopaths who feed exclusively on the weak.

I think that would change if we start going back to water fountains and such. Cause that would directly effect them and being able to do their thing

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I think that would change if we start going back to water fountains and such. Cause that would directly effect them and being able to do their thing

Unless they can make fast money being revolutionaries, they won't be interested.

They will sell guns to black nationalists though (that will probably jam in battle).

They're fighting Venezuelan gangs but that's over territory, money and power.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Unless they can make fast money being revolutionaries, they won't be interested.

They will sell guns to black nationalists though (that will probably jam in battle).

They're fighting Venezuelan gangs but that's over territory, money and power.

Eh, again I think this mental excersise I think is irrelevant cause I don't see it going that far. Like I said, you may see them do various voter and rights suppression tactics that will have the same effect, but they will be things they will sell to you like it's a great idea in the media. Cause trying that's much easier to convince your population to be okay with than something like this that will surely just escalate and isn't necessary.

 

[squeekness]

IDK if people truly understand just how bad it could get for everyone, no matter who they voted for, this group of Maga republicans are extemists with views we have never seen in positions of power in this country, we will be seeing more religious laws passed especially evangelical christrians view of the bible

The American Taliban.

 

[squeekness]

And we know a large chunk of inflation was artificially boosted by corporations.

Were they intentionally helping the far right, greedy or both?

Both probably and there's no one holding them in check.

 

[squeekness]

Was going to say, a coworker of mine and a friend both received those texts, just when you think humanity can not go lower, plus i work in urban part of town that is 90% black and minority, there is a white guy driving up and down the roads with a Trump 2024 flag on his truck so he knows exactly what he is doing and to whom he is doing it to.

Land of the free is a joke.

 

[squeekness]

Trump is a very low IQ person. A stupid imbecile with the lowest IQ in the history of all presidents. So he would be that stupid.

He does what others manipulate him into doing because he's too stupid to think for himself.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Trump won the popular vote with about the same amount of Repulibcans showing up, wasn't a huge wave or jump.

Harris had much less Democrats come out and vote.

I'm sorry but the Dems sitting home are to blame.

You mean the democratic base wasn't that enthused to go out and vote for the woman who mostly courted moderate republicans and who's position on Gaza isn't that much different than Trump's? Color me shocked.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

You mean the democratic base wasn't that enthused to go out and vote for the woman who mostly courted moderate republicans and who's position on Gaza isn't that much different than Trump's? Color me shocked.

I'm sorry, but you gotta be a goddamn moron to sit out for petty ass reasons like that when faced with a democratic existential threat like Trump and his Project 2025 agenda.

So **** anyone that stayed home.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Dem Insiders Begged Team Harris Not to Campaign With Liz Cheney

Democratic operatives say they told the Harris campaign appealing to Republicans wouldn’t win her votes — and could turn off disaffected Democrats.

www.rollingstone.com

Party I.D.
2024: 35R, 34I, 31D,
2020: 37D, 36R, 26I
2016: 36D, 33R, 31I
2012: 38D, 32R, 29I

Democrats didn't show up in 2024 or 2022.

Exit polls - Republicans voting for Democrats
2024: 5%
2020: 6%
2016: 8%

 

[Babillygunn]

Could the Civil Rights Act be overturned under Trump's 2nd term? Is that a possibility given he's controlling the Supremacist Court, and what would that look like?

I feel as though Dobbs sets up the repealing of the Civil Rights Act as a very real possibility.

 

[Babillygunn]

Street gangs won't fight to save the country.

They're bullies and sociopaths who feed exclusively on the weak.

Not these guys.

 

[squeekness]

I feel as though Dobbs sets up the repealing of the Civil Rights Act as a very real possibility.

At this point nothing would surprise me.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Don’t forget stupidity. That’s a big one!

I’m having second thoughts about the criticism of Hil. She was a terrible candidate and the Dems never should have handed her the nom. But running a center right campaign in a center-right nation makes an awful lot of sense. It’s frustrating that we look at these small campaign mishaps and pick the gals apart when Donald can talk about quadruped eating immigrants and ******e a microphone and come out in clover.


Fantastic may have been an overreach. Solid, maybe even strong? It should have been enough. But ‘Merica loves Trump, and until the law is changed so that only black women are allowed to vote - a law I strongly endorse - we’re going to get more like him.

Here is the thing. If the electorate is a bunch of racist and sexist dumb****s, maybe there is no reason Harris should have had such a weak milk toast campaign where she was campaigning with moderate republicans and being to the right of Trump on issues. If they are going to vote against you anyway, stand for something. Be for something, instead of just "I am not Trump".

I've been a democrat my whole life, and I don't even know what the party stands for anymore. They don't fight for the working class. They don't really fight for anything, to be honest.

Why should people believe in them?

 

[Kon]

 

[Herofan]

The election showed the dangerous power of Big Tech oligarchs

Steering America away from far-right illiberalism means scrutinizing the Big Tech powerbrokers who control our social media and other popular online spaces.

www.msnbc.com

There sure was a lot of hope around 2008 that facebook would make young people as liberal but more active, particularly enable outsider Democrats like Obama to challenge the more prominent favorites like Hillary Clinton, generally increase accountability against the more prominent establishment and just make people more global in outlook, we definitely do still see it still as making people more active and against prominent establishment figures but very much not more global, instead a lot more nationalist, enable and active-ize anyone who wants to spread message (and the angrier and more anti- the more so).

Fantastic may have been an overreach. Solid, maybe even strong? It should have been enough.

I don't think I was a prosecutor and as prosecutor I went after sex offenders and big banks (zomG did she really, extraordinary, amazing!?!) does sound either impressive or promising.

 

[DKDetective]

I'm sorry, but you gotta be a goddamn moron to sit out for petty ass reasons like that when faced with a democratic existential threat like Trump and his Project 2025 agenda.

So **** anyone that stayed home.

Here is the thing. If the electorate is a bunch of racist and sexist dumb****s, maybe there is no reason Harris should have had such a weak milk toast campaign where she was campaigning with moderate republicans and being to the right of Trump on issues. If they are going to vote against you anyway, stand for something. Be for something, instead of just "I am not Trump".

I've been a democrat my whole life, and I don't even know what the party stands for anymore. They don't fight for the working class. They don't really fight for anything, to be honest.

Why should people believe in them?

Yeah, a lot of these people aren't well educated and don't understand abstract concepts like rule of law and a threat to democracy, which is why these sort of Democratic campaigns continue to fail.

These people kept turning out and voting Democrat, but nothing ever changes and it never feels like the party establishment is listening to them. So yeah, they protest vote because they don't care if Trump destroys the system because the system is already broken and isn't working for them.

@Zarex's point about the common sense of running a centre right campaign in a centre right country is deeply flawed for exactly this reason. America may be centre right, but the majority of Americans are deeply unhappy with that status quo, which is why they are attracted by extreme alternatives, whether left or right. This is why you see someone who was once a Bernie Bro like Joe Rogan become a MAGA Trumper.

Extreme times call for extreme measures. Americans want a candidate who recognizes how broken everything is and promises to fix it. That is exactly why Biden won in 2020 because he campaigned on the basis that Trump under America was broken and promised to fix it. The problem is that when the disruption of Trump was taken away people again realized how flawed the former status quo was, especially when inflation was added to the mix.

What the Dems need from now on is economic populism from the left. Basically we need Bernie. The Dem Establishment needs to stop crushing that side of the party and let them run the party for once. Continuing to run the same centrist status quo campaign over and over again is not working. It is the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Let the progressives take over. It's not like it could give any worse than handling all three branches of the government over to far right Fascists.

 

[Moncton]

 

[squeekness]

I highly doubt that was the reason Harris lost.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I highly doubt that was the reason Harris lost.

Another Democratic operative close to Harrisworld says they sent memos and data to Harris campaign staffers underscoring how, among other things, Republican voters, believe it or not, vote Republican — and that the data over the past year screamed that Democrats instead needed to reassure and energize the liberal base and Dem-leaning working class in battleground states. “We were told, basically, to get lost, no thank you,” says the operative.

A Harris spokesperson did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Following the Harris campaign’s crushing loss to Trump, there’s an argument to be made that Democrats never really stood a chance this election cycle, given Joe Biden’s unpopularity and Americans’ unhappiness with a brutal economy.

But Harris exerted far more effort attempting to appeal to Republicans, moderates, and independents than the Democratic base — which has been demoralized, in part, by Biden’s continued support for Israel’s brutal war in Gaza.

Exit polls suggest Democrats had major turnout issues; the portion of the 2024 electorate that identified as Democrat declined significantly compared to past presidential elections.

 

[blueharvest]

Biden’s polling showed big Trump win before president dropped out, Obama aide says

A speechwriter for Obama said those in Biden’s circle refused to believe polling that showed he was unpopular

www.independent.co.uk

 

[blueharvest]

Bernie Sanders perfectly sums up Trump’s 2024 game plan in decades-old video

Bernie Sanders appeared to sum up Donald Trump's campaign tactics in a video decades before the now-president-elect won the 2024 election. The Vermont senator, then 61, spoke to high school students about the value of public service, the political process, and his experiences as an elected...

www.independent.co.uk

 

[blueharvest]

Michelle Obama already facing calls to run in 2028 - here’s why she never tried

Former First Lady remains extremely popular and campaigned for Kamala Harris during failed 2024 run

www.independent.co.uk