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blueharvest said:
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Harris campaign failed to connect with working class, US union federation says

AFL-CIO president says Democrats did not listen to low-income voters struggling to make ends meet
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Of course they did. Because they always think donors first. What kills me is watching idiots blame progressive politics, when only like 7 Dems actually want to implement them. And those fiscal policies are extremely popular. But no, blame transgender people for existing. Which by the way, most of these POS don't care about.

These people don't actually think the party needs to be more bigoted. It's just more profitable for them then helping the working class. Dems throw money at everything but those who actually need it.
 
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NC Supreme Court race still too close to call as vote-counting continues and candidate sues

North Carolina counties were supposed to finish counting their provisional ballots Friday, but not all did. Meanwhile, Wake County officials called an emergency meeting Monday following a controversial action Friday.
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I guarantee you Jefferson Griffin wouldn’t be suing the NCSBE if he was winning that state Supreme Court race by that razor thin margin (and not incumbent Alison Riggs). Shows how much of a snowflake he is.

Serves him right for that arrogant victory declaration on election night.
 
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No, Trump doesn't actually have an electoral mandate—here's why

As the last votes continue to get tallied across the country, one thing is clear: Donald Trump’s victory on Nov. 5 is nowhere near the “mandate” Republicans are claiming .� On Monday, CNN ...
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As the last votes continue to get tallied across the country, one thing is clear: Donald Trump’s victory on Nov. 5 is nowhere near the “mandate” Republicans are claiming.

On Monday, CNN data reporter Harry Enten broke down Trump's incredibly weak popular vote victory.

"Look, if you look historically speaking, Donald Trump is now under 50% in the national popular vote, barely under 50%,” Enten told CNN anchor John Berman. “Compare his popular vote victory to those, historically speaking, over the last 200 years. His popular vote victory ranks 44th out of 51. That ain’t exactly strong," he explained.

Indeed, Trump has the shakiest popular vote win since George W. Bush was reelected in 2004, and the latest popular vote margin is the leanest since Al Gore’s win over Bush in 2000 (Bush won by a single Electoral College vote, while Gore won the popular vote by 543,895).

Americans also did not show much confidence in Republicans downballot.
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"In fact, I went all the way back to the history books, and this is the most Senate races that the winner's party lost in states the president won since 2004," Enten said. Democratic Senate candidates have officially won four states that Trump also won, and the Pennsylvania Senate race between incumbent Democratic Sen. Bob Casey and Republican challenger Dave McCormick is not yet called.

As for the House?

"You'd have to go all the way back before there were 50 states in the union to find a smaller majority for the incoming House majority" based on the current election count projections, giving Republicans a paper-thin 221 to 214 majority.

Enten notes that some of those GOP House members are set to leave their seats to join the Trump administration, making the already thin Republican majority even smaller.

"We are talking about a very wide win for Donald Trump. But the depth, it's not particularly deep,” Enten said. “It's actually quite shallow, historically speaking.”
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Trump voters f-cked around—now they're about to find out

For those unfamiliar, the “leopards ate my face” meme refers to people who suffer the consequences of political parties or policies they supported electorally. It stems from this classic tweet:�
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No modern-era president did more for organized labor than Joe Biden. Among other things, he was the first president to walk a picket line, bailed out the pension for 600,000 Teamsters at a taxpayer’s cost of $36 billion, helped radicalize billionaire Elon Musk by excluding him from an electrical-vehicle summit at the apparent behest of the United Auto Workers union, increased funding for the National Labor Relations Board, and stocked that board with labor advocates.

In return, the Teamsters refused to endorse a presidential candidate, and the union’s president, Sean O’Brien, spoke at the Republican National Convention, and 45% of labor households voted for Trump, compared with 40% in 2020, according to exit polls.

Meanwhile, Trump said this to Elon Musk: “I mean, I look at what you do. You walk in and you say, ‘You want to quit?’ They go on strike, I won’t mention the name of the company, but they go on strike, and you say, ‘That’s okay, you’re all gone. You’re all gone. So every one of you is gone.’” And Project 2025 is an anti-union corporatist’s wet dream.

In other words, the leopards will soon feast.

One of the election’s most bizarre developments was that many Muslim Americans abandoned the Democratic ticket for both Trump and Green Party candidate Jill Stein, largely due to the Biden administration’s support for Israel in its war against Hamas. In fact, Arab-majority Dearborn, Michigan, went from a 69% Biden majority in 2020 to giving Vice President Kamala Harris just 36% of its vote this November. Trump got 42%, and Stein got 18%. Boy, did they send a message for peace!

In fact, the leopards are already dining out on this one. Reuters reported this on Saturday:

U.S. Muslim leaders who supported Republican Donald Trump to protest against the Biden administration's support for Israel's war on Gaza and attacks on Lebanon have been deeply disappointed by his cabinet picks, they tell Reuters.
"Trump won because of us and we're not happy with his secretary of state pick and others," said Rabiul Chowdhury, a Philadelphia investor who chaired the Abandon Harris campaign in Pennsylvania and co-founded Muslims for Trump.

These people are so devoid of common sense that they’re begging Biden to help them before Trump takes office. Yet the reason Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel’s far-right prime minister, ignored Biden’s peace efforts all year was precisely because he bet that Trump would be reelected, giving him an even friendlier U.S. government to let him do whatever he wanted. And these Arab voters played right into this transparent scheme.

Rural America has been the bedrock of MAGA support. This year, 64% of rural voters went for Trump, and just 32% for Harris. And the nonprofit news outlet Investigate Midwest finds that Trump won over 77% of the popular vote, on average, in the nation’s most farming-dependent counties. So you know the leopards are hungrily circling that crowd.
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The local media is refusing to call it yet (and there will be a recount), but incumbent NC Supreme Court justice Allison Riggs has a 623 vote lead over her Republican opponent after all the cured provisional votes were uploaded last night.

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Duke Law student Jefferson Griffin sues NCSBE over election data disclosure delays in NC Supreme Court race

In a North Carolina Supreme Court race with over five million ballots counted, a Duke Law student trails by just 623 votes. Now, he’s suing the North Carolina State Board of Elections.
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Griffin arrogantly claimed victory on Election night (he originally had a 10K margin), but that evaporated once all the eligible absentee and provisional ballots were counted.
 
DarthSkywalker said:
Of course they did. Because they always think donors first. What kills me is watching idiots blame progressive politics, when only like 7 Dems actually want to implement them. And those fiscal policies are extremely popular. But no, blame transgender people for existing. Which by the way, most of these POS don't care about.

These people don't actually think the party needs to be more bigoted. It's just more profitable for them then helping the working class. Dems throw money at everything but those who actually need it.
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Unfortunately the party has to move from identity politics. People clearly don't care about Trans rights, or socially progressive ideas.

The loss amongst Hispanics is also hurtful, and maddening as a Hispanic myself, but ask anyone in Miami and most Hispanics violently rejected the identity stuff, and would vehemently oppose any candidate that dared use words like Latinx. That's the kinda **** that will lose voters in places like South Florida, amongst other things.

Dems need to run on populist policies that speak to the working class who are, for the most part, dumb and uninformed. They only think with their wallet or vote on emotions.

Universal Healthcare
Higher Living Wages
Harder Taxes on the Rich and Tax Cuts to the lower class
Affordable Higher Ed/Tech Ed
Paid Maternity Leave
etc etc

These are obviously all extremely popular and should be what the next Dem candidate should focus on, once in office they can safeguard protections for Trans people and move away from supporting Israel and all that other stuff progressives and lefties care about.

Just my opinion. I say this as someone that is on the Left/Liberal threshold.
 
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Punisher_MAX said:
Unfortunately the party has to move from identity politics. People clearly don't care about Trans rights, or socially progressive ideas.

The loss amongst Hispanics is also hurtful, and maddening as a Hispanic myself, but ask anyone in Miami and most Hispanics violently rejected the identity stuff, and would vehemently oppose any candidate that dared use words like Latinx. That's the kinda **** that will lose voters in places like South Florida, amongst other things.

Dems need to run on populist policies that speak to the working class who are, for the most part, dumb and uninformed. They only think with their wallet or vote on emotions.

Universal Healthcare
Higher Living Wages
Harder Taxes on the Rich and Tax Cuts to the lower class
Affordable Higher Ed/Tech Ed
Paid Maternity Leave
etc etc

These are obviously all extremely popular and should be what the next Dem candidate should focus on, once in office they can safeguard protections for Trans people and move away from supporting Israel and all that other stuff progressives and lefties care about.

Just my opinion. I say this as someone that is on the Left/Liberal threshold.
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Except, Republicans love the identity politics. It appeals to their base. So it isn't an issue of divorcing from that. It's why black people vote Dem much higher then Republican. Why women of color so heavily do. But it's also beside the point. The vast majority of people aren't voting because of trans rights.

The issue is that Dems only appeal to their base through identity politics. Being pro choice is great for Dems. But that's where they leave it. Their economic policies are either half measures no one understands or conservative leading to a greater and greater divid.

Bernie and AOC are very popular in the Hispanic community. Both are very pro-trans. And both can exist, because what they fight for is the working class. That's who they speak to.

Whenever something like this happens it's blamed on the base. The left part of the party that actually votes in mass. Even while they are the ones always being disciplined by the right of the party. While the Dems let things like the child tax credit lapse. Trump didn't do that with base. He listened to their anxieties and played into them. Gave them red meat. That's what people want. To be listened to.

There a lot of bigots out there. But the way these seeds are sow, fostered, is a crappy living environment. Schumer thought that Dems didn't need the working class once Obama came around. That appealing to the middle class would be an unbeatable coalition. He was obviously wrong. Especially as older people watch their kids unable to do the things they did when they were younger. Take trips, go to events, eat out, buy a house.

The Dems are heavily responsible for the current conditions people themselves in. Clinton's 90s added insult to the injury that was Reagan's 80s.

In a world that is so divided, no one is taking the "lite" version of a Republican, when they can just have the Republican. Does anyone think the last 4 years have been great? That Biden and his crew did an amazing job that people at home could feel? Especially the working class?

I think Jayapal nailed it here and Steele's face during the realization is very funny, because it's that obvious.


The problem is, so many of the Dems in charge, are getting rich off the current conditions. They love them. It doesn't hurt them. So they just wait for Republicans to terrible in power, they get back in, and say see, look. We should move to the right. They are once again terrible in power, lose, and then blame the left. It's rinse and repeat. And it's maddening, because I said this would happen 4 years ago while people just wanted to cheerlead Biden.
 
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DarthSkywalker said:
Except, Republicans love the identity politics. It appeals to their base. So it isn't an issue of divorcing from that. It's why black people vote Dem much higher then Republican. Why women of color so heavily do. But it's also beside the point. The vast majority of people aren't voting because of trans rights.

The issue is that Dems only appeal to their base through identity politics. Being pro choice is great for Dems. But that's where they leave it. Their economic policies are either half measures no one understands or conservative leading to a greater and greater divid.

Bernie and AOC are very popular in the Hispanic community. Both are very pro-trans. And both can exist, because what they fight for is the working class. That's who they speak to.

Whenever something like this happens it's blamed on the base. The left part of the party that actually votes in mass. Even while they are the ones always being disciplined by the right of the party. While the Dems let things like the child tax credit lapse. Trump didn't do that with base. He listened to their anxieties and played into them. Gave them red meat. That's what people want. To be listened to.

There a lot of bigots out there. But the way these seeds are sow, fostered, is a crappy living environment. Schumer thought that Dems didn't need the working class once Obama came around. That appealing to the middle class would be an unbeatable coalition. He was obviously wrong. Especially as older people watch their kids unable to do the things they did when they were younger. Take trips, go to events, eat out, buy a house.

The Dems are heavily responsible for the current conditions people themselves in. Clinton's 90s added insult to the injury that was Reagan's 80s.

In a world that is so divided, no one is taking the "lite" version of a Republican, when they can just have the Republican. Does anyone think the last 4 years have been great? That Biden and his crew did an amazing job that people at home could feel? Especially the working class?

I think Jayapal nailed it here and Steele's face during the realization is very funny, because it's that obvious.


The problem is, so many of the Dems in charge, are getting rich off the current conditions. They love them. It doesn't hurt them. So they just wait for Republicans to terrible in power, they get back in, and say see, look. We should move to the right. They are once again terrible in power, lose, and then blame the left. It's rinse and repeat.
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Inflation aside, the last 4 years have been fine. There are things I am not happy with, but not enough to NOT vote and let a monster like Trump in office...but that's just me.

I'm not arguing against going more leftward in a lot of ways because this centrist bull**** isn't working, you're right about the "Republican-lite" thing, might as well just get the actual thing.

I still think that leaning heavily into all the identity stuff is fool's gold mostly because it wasn't important enough for rational people to NOT vote for the power hungry fascist, people were purposefully myopic about prices and whatnot.

I'm not sure what the alternative is. Pushing the Dem party leftward should be the goal but will it happen? A third party with our "winner take all" system is not viable, so what now?
 
Punisher_MAX said:
Inflation aside, the last 4 years have been fine. There are things I am not happy with, but not enough to NOT vote and let a monster like Trump in office...but that's just me.

I'm not arguing against going more leftward in a lot of ways because this centrist bull**** isn't working, you're right about the "Republican-lite" thing, might as well just get the actual thing.

I still think that leaning heavily into all the identity stuff is fool's gold mostly because it wasn't important enough for rational people to NOT vote for the power hungry fascist, people were purposefully myopic about prices and whatnot.

I'm not sure what the alternative is. Pushing the Dem party leftward should be the goal but will it happen? A third party with our "winner take all" system is not viable, so what now?
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When you say things have been fine what do you mean? Because I agree Trump just paints everything in black and white, and while it's effective, it isn't honest. And that for a lot of people, inflation aside, the last few years have been fine. But for so many Americans things aren't fine. Most live paycheck to paycheck, and that was before inflation. Housing markets are getting worse. When people talk about wages going up, it's for a specific class of folks. For the working class, any bump just extends survival. And for a long time now, that's what so many people have been trying to do. Simply survive.

When it comes to identity politics, I believe rights should be pushed for. That should never change. I just don't think they should be the only thing they're pushing for. And with Dems, it does feel like that is all they offer because their fiscal policy isn't that different from the Republicans. They're death is just slower. Which is why upper and middle class people, those they seem trying the hardest to appeal to, abandon them. Because even in the shrinking middle class, they have just enough money to try the other option.

Pushing the Dems left should be the goal. I just don't know if it will ever properly happen because it's against the interest of so many involved in the party. And in that way, I sympathize for all those who voted for AOC and Trump. Because the Dems don't offer change. They offer their neo liberal policies, with kinder social outlook.

I think they'd win if they actually did it. I think there was a reason that "weird" and "we're not going back" worked so well. And they they stopped doing it, and lost all enthusiasm. Because the Dems want to win a very certain way.
 
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