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Discussion: Legalizing Marijuana

Is it time to legalize pot?

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It is very sad that California voted down prop 19.

I bet most of the older people who voted against enjoy drinking booze every now and then. Hypocrites.
 
Cause its legal

seriously? the drug that's easily accessible is the one that's most destructive? They needed a study for that?
asprin is easily accessible too.

but it doesn't destroy thousands of lives. I guess there's more to it than being easily accessible.
 
I'm not convinced that they know alcohol is worse for you than weed. Keep in mind that many people from prior generations were bombarded with huge amounts of anti-weed propaganda, which demonized pot and the people who use it. I honestly think it has more to do with ignorance than hypocrisy.
 
asprin is easily accessible too.

but it doesn't destroy thousands of lives. I guess there's more to it than being easily accessible.
Yeah, but you more or less have to intentionally overdose on aspirin in order to cause any real harm. People don't abuse it to get high, do they?
 
I'm not convinced that they know alcohol is worse for you than weed. Keep in mind that many people from prior generations were bombarded with huge amounts of anti-weed propaganda, which demonized pot and the people who use it. I honestly think it has more to do with ignorance than hypocrisy.

I remember my 90 year old great-grandmother talking about the dangers of marijuana.

She also didn't want Barack Obama to be President because he was "colored," and also rode on a Model T :awesome:
 
I remember my 90 year old great-grandmother talking about the dangers of marijuana.

She also didn't want Barack Obama to be President because he was "colored," and also rode on a Model T :awesome:


My grandmother would have said the same exact thing, and then turned around and voted for him because he had a (D) next to his name...:whatever:
 
Should bank robbery be legal because people still rob banks so that means the laws against theft and stealing have failed?

That is quite a stretch VileOne. I still believe if they're going to ignorantly keep it illegal than we should go back to prohibition again...and I still enjoy drinking every now and again.

It is very sad that California voted down prop 19.

I bet most of the older people who voted against enjoy drinking booze every now and then. Hypocrites.

Yup. A lot of the older generations still buy into that bull **** propaganda that was started decades ago. Making potheads sound like thieves and rapists. I wish people would read up on things, especially the ones that drink.
 
I blame the advocates of legalization. Because most of them are useless burnt out idiots who have no understanding of politics.

I remember watching an Anti-Drug War movie the local Libertarian Party showed here in town. It solidified my belief that anyone involved with the Libertarian Party is completely useless and showed me exactly how daft the "advocates of legalization" are. The movie contained tons of useful information but became a completely *********ory effort due to the fact that they literally demonized Ronald Reagan and Conservatives. That assured the fact that the only people who would enjoy the movie were the people that didn't need to be convinced.

I am working on a Common Sense style pamphlet on the issue that is aimed specifically at soccer moms, southern christian conservative grandmas and the other well intentioned but misguided Americans who fail to understand just how immoral, ineffective and dangerous criminalization is.
 
I think that if Marijuana is going to remain being illegal. Then there should be a movement to make Alcohol illegal. Alcohol kills 1000's of people. So lets go ahead & make that illegal.
 
It kind of sucks because to me the main issue with marijuana is not an issue of health. Its one of money flow. Marijuana use has been going on for generations before us and will continue to be used more and more as time goes on. Obviously the laws are not going to stop this usage since they never really have. The goverment should be smart and take all that money away from drugdealers once and for all. Unfortunately after prop 19 falling flat, it will be a very long time before we see anything like this come up again.
 
It kind of sucks because to me the main issue with marijuana is not an issue of health. Its one of money flow. Marijuana use has been going on for generations before us and will continue to be used more and more as time goes on. Obviously the laws are not going to stop this usage since they never really have. The goverment should be smart and take all that money away from drugdealers once and for all. Unfortunately after prop 19 falling flat, it will be a very long time before we see anything like this come up again.
 
Isn't that kinda like cutting off your nose to spite your face?

Yeah, I guess it is. I am just getting tired of the double standard.

Not to mention that supposedly one of the things that helped this bill not get passed was the fear mongering of people driving high, or coming into work high. As if that is worse that coming into work drunk, or driving drunk.

You would treat both equally by law.
 
Why in the heck wont this get legalized?
Its upsetting...I'm not all that into pot but I dont mind a puff here or there just as much as I like alcohol every once and a great while...Its stupid to think how dangerous alcohol is and how its legal yet Marijuana is far less of a problem and its being outlawed...and that comparing weed to theft statement made is a real winner :doh:
 
I keep hearing comments made from different sites that many smokers in California could care less if the bill passed or not since it is so easy to get a Med card and that the governator basically decriminalized weed anyways. Some felt the bill was sloppy and gave the government too much power over distribution.
 
I personally am surprised that Calif did not pass the legalization law. I dont think marijuana should be legal, but really believed that Calif would make it so.
 
While I don't have any statistical information to back up what I'm about to say, I'd like to think it's still rational:

I firmly believe that the majority of people who are against the legalization of marijuana have never actually tried marijuana. And that right there is the critical problem.

Now, I know what you're thinking:

"But Cmill. You shouldn't have to try something to have an opinion on it."

In this case, I'd like to make an exception. With an issue like marijuana, I feel that much of the argument against it is based solely on secondhand information rather than relevant firsthand research. So analyze it. Understand it. Discover why people do it, what it does for them, and why they support it.

You don't legalize heroin, cocaine, or other illicit drugs because it's been PROVEN in clinical studies that they are harmful and destructive to the human body. So immediately, you separate marijuana from the discussion.

The problem with people who oppose the legalization of marijuana is actually quite simple. They completely fail to see the benefits of marijuana, focusing solely on perceived negatives that, in many ways, don't even exist.

So at its most basic, what does marijuana do? It creates a unified feeling of euphoria in the human body. The reason it's a popular drug in the medical community is because it can be used to alleviate so many common medical ailments, more specifically conditions that cause mental, emotional, and physical discomfort.

In this case, marijuana is no different than a pain reliever. A kidney patient dealing with the side effects of prescription medication? A psychologically unstable person dealing with depression? The elderly, coping with joint pain? Marijuana has been proven to help relieve these conditions by soothing the body, giving the user a high to combat their physical and mental lows.

But what about recreational usage? What benefits does marijuana provide? I like to refer to marijuana as a natural mental stimulant. It frees up the mind in a way that is hard to describe to those who have not tried it. Yet, it's not a hallucinogen. Marijuana allows the user to think more freely, without the restrictions of your own rigid logic and form.

Essentially, it's like taking the training wheels off of your sober mind and allowing you to branch out to explore what's right in front of you. Things you take for granted, ideas you take for granted, are now clear as day. You see them. You acknowledge them. And you make them more tangible.

Philosophy. Art. Religion. Marijuana fosters a much deeper and more focused understanding and appreciation of each. This is why marijuana is so prevalent amongst artists, writers, and creators. Watching films and television while under the influence of marijuana allows you to notice things that aren't always so obvious otherwise. Creating while high allows you to remove your normal inhibitions and restraints and simply create.

Now tell me how any of this sounds like a detriment to society. Does marijuana and the culture it creates inspire violence? Does marijuana create hostility? Has marijuana been clinically proven to be destructive to the human body?

I'm not trying to generalize all anti-marijuana lobbyists. In fact, I'm quite open to hear why exactly they feel the way they do. A healthy conversation on the topic is the only way to really come to a proper resolution. It's hard to say that about any other issue in this country.

What I am arguing is that denouncing marijuana without fully understanding it is the real problem. And if we're to ever come to a solution to this conflict, those who are against it have to understand why it's an issue worth fighting for.
 
I have never tried marijuana and I am for legalization. Do I win a prize?

Secondly cmill...I don't think there are really any benefits to recreationally smoking weed. Smoke is bad for you no matter what you are smoking. However, the truth of the matter is that it is no worse that tobacco or alcohol so I don't see the point in it being illegal. That said, I don't hang around alcoholics and I don't hang around pot heads either. Do I hang around people that occasionally do one or the other. Sure.
 
While I don't have any statistical information to back up what I'm about to say, I'd like to think it's still rational:

I firmly believe that the majority of people who are against the legalization of marijuana have never actually tried marijuana. And that right there is the critical problem.

Now, I know what you're thinking:

"But Cmill. You shouldn't have to try something to have an opinion on it."

In this case, I'd like to make an exception. With an issue like marijuana, I feel that much of the argument against it is based solely on secondhand information rather than relevant firsthand research. So analyze it. Understand it. Discover why people do it, what it does for them, and why they support it.

You don't legalize heroin, cocaine, or other illicit drugs because it's been PROVEN in clinical studies that they are harmful and destructive to the human body. So immediately, you separate marijuana from the discussion.

The problem with people who oppose the legalization of marijuana is actually quite simple. They completely fail to see the benefits of marijuana, focusing solely on perceived negatives that, in many ways, don't even exist.

So at its most basic, what does marijuana do? It creates a unified feeling of euphoria in the human body. The reason it's a popular drug in the medical community is because it can be used to alleviate so many common medical ailments, more specifically conditions that cause mental, emotional, and physical discomfort.

In this case, marijuana is no different than a pain reliever. A kidney patient dealing with the side effects of prescription medication? A psychologically unstable person dealing with depression? The elderly, coping with joint pain? Marijuana has been proven to help relieve these conditions by soothing the body, giving the user a high to combat their physical and mental lows.

But what about recreational usage? What benefits does marijuana provide? I like to refer to marijuana as a natural mental stimulant. It frees up the mind in a way that is hard to describe to those who have not tried it. Yet, it's not a hallucinogen. Marijuana allows the user to think more freely, without the restrictions of your own rigid logic and form.

Essentially, it's like taking the training wheels off of your sober mind and allowing you to branch out to explore what's right in front of you. Things you take for granted, ideas you take for granted, are now clear as day. You see them. You acknowledge them. And you make them more tangible.

Philosophy. Art. Religion. Marijuana fosters a much deeper and more focused understanding and appreciation of each. This is why marijuana is so prevalent amongst artists, writers, and creators. Watching films and television while under the influence of marijuana allows you to notice things that aren't always so obvious otherwise. Creating while high allows you to remove your normal inhibitions and restraints and simply create.

Now tell me how any of this sounds like a detriment to society. Does marijuana and the culture it creates inspire violence? Does marijuana create hostility? Has marijuana been clinically proven to be destructive to the human body?

I'm not trying to generalize all anti-marijuana lobbyists. In fact, I'm quite open to hear why exactly they feel the way they do. A healthy conversation on the topic is the only way to really come to a proper resolution. It's hard to say that about any other issue in this country.

What I am arguing is that denouncing marijuana without fully understanding it is the real problem. And if we're to ever come to a solution to this conflict, those who are against it have to understand why it's an issue worth fighting for.

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I have never tried marijuana and I am for legalization. Do I win a prize?

Secondly cmill...I don't think there are really any benefits to recreationally smoking weed. Smoke is bad for you no matter what you are smoking. However, the truth of the matter is that it is no worse that tobacco or alcohol so I don't see the point in it being illegal. That said, I don't hang around alcoholics and I don't hang around pot heads either. Do I hang around people that occasionally do one or the other. Sure.
Smoking isn't necessarily all bad our bodies are hard wired for cannabis. We have THC receptors in our brains that benefit from the smoke and the cannabinoids. Actually the cannabinoids do much needed repairs on the human body by strengthening the immune system to a point where it can even protect you from cancer. There's signs of Anti-Inflammation properties and smoking cannabis does not increase the risk of developing lung problems there is strong synergistic effect but no real damage is done, unless mixed with tobacco.

Smoke with a vaporizer for a healthy experience. By using a vape you can improve respiratory functions and help grow new brain cells.
 
Our bodies are not wired to benefit from smoke in our lungs. I do agree that smoking with a vaporizer is fine. Beneficial chemicals absorbed from water vapor is fine.
 
Smoke with a vaporizer for a healthy experience. By using a vape you can improve respiratory functions and help grow new brain cells.

I'm a regular at the Vapor Lounge in Vancouver, it's also the headquarters of the BC Marijuana Party.
 
If you're caught with grass in the US, they can be quite harsh on you, aren't they? I remember, last year, my friend and I were stopped by the police for smoking a joint - and they gave it back to us after they took our names [ie. did nothing]. I was actually quite surprised at that.
 
Secondly cmill...I don't think there are really any benefits to recreationally smoking weed. Smoke is bad for you no matter what you are smoking.

While this may sound like a terrible example, have you seen the film Super High Me?

Doug Benson takes a lung capacity test before and after a 30 day weed binge. His sober lung capacity was at 92%. And after smoking weed non-stop for 30 days straight, his lung capacity was 89%.

Even after inhaling it at an abnormally high rate, marijuana smoke had a very small margin of impact on his overall lung capacity. Which of course....

is no worse that tobacco or alcohol
Exactly.

Now, as far as there not being any benefits to smoking weed recreationally...

You can't say that without having actually tried it. That really doesn't make any sense. That's like saying, "You can't possibly have any fun playing basketball" and you've never played basketball. Marijuana is a terrific recreational drug. It goes back to what I said earlier. It inspires thought, creativity, and insight. It makes everyday activities that much more enjoyable.

That said, I don't hang around alcoholics and I don't hang around pot heads either. Do I hang around people that occasionally do one or the other. Sure.
I personally am not a fan of the pothead/stoner sub-culture. For the most part, they're the sole reason marijuana has failed to be viewed in a positive light in mainstream society. The common American views stoners as lazy, grungy, and unkempt, which is 95% true. But that doesn't encompass the entire population of smokers.

Just as you have people who drink alcohol who are not raging alcoholics, a vast majority of marijuana smokers are just that: smokers. They smoke weed, they go to work, and they live their lives.
 
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