Discussion: LGBTQ+ Rights XVI - Part 6

[DarthSkywalker]

The British can't help themselves:

The Times forced to issue corrections after spreading anti-trans misinformation

 

[InCali]

The British can't help themselves:

The Times forced to issue corrections after spreading anti-trans misinformation

It would appear that "The Times" can't help themselves and we can go ahead and include a lot of publications in the US and too many other countries to mention. Were that this BS was found only in one place.

 

[Sithborg]

Parent Facebook group calls for pride flags to be removed from Plainwell Community Schools

Always sad and disappointing to see how much homophobia and transphobia there is in my area.

 

[JennySparx]

Parent Facebook group calls for pride flags to be removed from Plainwell Community Schools

Always sad and disappointing to see how much homophobia and transphobia there is in my area.

God I am so utterly bored of the endless whining of bigoted halfwits like this

If these parasites don't like living somewhere that actually believes in acceptance and human dignity they can always take their brats and **** off to Russia

 

[Snow Queen]

 

[Lily Adler]

So who are the "Flat earthers" here? Pro-trans activists or transphobic ones?

 

[CaptainWagner]

BBC is just like "LOL, journalism is dead, we don't report the truth, we just non-critically broadcast whatever random idiots on the street are thinking in proportion to how many random idiots happen to be thinking it at the time"

 

[DarthSkywalker]

When asked the same question on racism they'd be like, "that's different". It's so ****ing infuriating. This is the state funded broadcast company over there. Compare this to how they handle COVID conspiracy.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

The Hill - House committee in Florida passes 'Don't Say Gay' [in schools] bill

Pennlive - Central Pa. borough poised to become first to repeal LGBTQ protections

 

[JennySparx]

I'm against Florida Republicans having any say about a childs education in any way shape or form just in general

Because I don't think a schools policies should be decided by someone who'll probably be having to go door to door in their neighborhood explaining to people why they can't go within five hundred yards of said school in a couple of years time at most

 

[Lily Adler]

House committee in Florida passes 'Don't Say Gay' bill | TheHill

 

[Teelie]

"If we don't acknowledge they exist then they don't exist" is Florida logic.

 

[Lily Adler]

"If we don't acknowledge they exist then they don't exist" is Florida logic.

I unfortunately see an increase in suicide rates if this bill passes.

 

[CaptainWagner]

I unfortunately see an increase in suicide rates if this bill passes.

It's statistically inevitable. The numbers show a clear decrease in suicide attempts with LGBT youth have a safe space at school to learn and discuss about sexuality and gender. But the "Pro-Life" party will be practically giddy with spiking rates because they'll call it "proof" that we're all "mentally ill."

The really ****** scary thing is them trying to compel teachers to out students to their parents. It's just evil, plain and simple. The desperate final lashings of a hateful, bigoted generation trying to force their views onto children who want nothing to do with them. They're dying out, but they're more than content to drag the whole nation down with them. And they don't care how many innocent people get hurt in the process.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Your annual reminder Sean Penn is crap and people keep interviewing him to remind you.

Sean Penn Criticizes Men for Becoming 'Feminized' - Variety

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

From ‘dont say gay’ in Florida to ‘guess the gay and report to parents’ in Arizona by RepubliQans.

GOP bill would force teachers to out LGBTQ students to parents

 

[Teelie]

"That kid does not conform. They must be reported."

 

[DarthSkywalker]

@InCali read this twitter thread. Transphobia is everywhere. But there is a reason the community and their supporters call Great Britain TERF island. The government and media support TERF ideology. Spread it. Not in the dumb Anderson Cooper might not know exactly what he's talking about but he's trying way. In a purely malicious manner. I've seen a lot of transphobia over here. But you also see a lot of it down political lines. In Britain, there is no divide on it.

Labour politicians slammed for 'trying to erase' UK transphobia

 

[InCali]

@InCali read this twitter thread. Transphobia is everywhere. But there is a reason the community and their supporters call Great Britain TERF island. The government and media support TERF ideology. Spread it. Not in the dumb Anderson Cooper might not know exactly what he's talking about but he's trying way. In a purely malicious manner. I've seen a lot of transphobia over here. But you also see a lot of it down political lines. In Britain, there is no divide on it.

I read it and, while I don't deny that there may be a higher percentage of bigots amongst some groups in some geographical areas, etc., I don't like statements that include "all" people of a certain group. I know, and you've said explicitly, that of course not "all" people in a certain age and ethnic group are phobic or bigoted, but some of your statements do say that. I just think language is important and it can further stereotypes; never a good thing IMO. As a later boomer, I hear that kind of talk about boomers all the time and as someone who has spent more years than I care to remember in the trenches fighting for social and economic justice, I resent the language itself; although I realize the thoughts behind it might not represent the stated words.

Fair enough?

 

[Sithborg]

Canadian conservatives, the same ******* bigots as down south...

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

He also did this this little thing:

Erin O’Toole takes big gamble by siding with trucker convoy protesters

Conservative Leader Erin O’Toole is taking the biggest gamble of his political life by siding with truckers rolling to Ottawa in protest against vaccine mandates and other COVID-19 restrictions. That support could galvanize his leadership, or sink it. He’s willing to take that chance.

GUNTER: O'Toole's convoy response impressed no one | Toronto Sun

 

[JennySparx]

From ‘dont say gay’ in Florida to ‘guess the gay and report to parents’ in Arizona by RepubliQans.

GOP bill would force teachers to out LGBTQ students to parents

I hope that decent teachers proudly refuse to follow this law and break the "Don't say gay" law in Florida repeatedly

 

[InCali]

This is got to be one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard. Both of our children at a very young age were introduced to our friends, many of them are gay and were encouraged to be who they are. We had discussions about race, gender, and sexual orientation when they were in early grade school. While they have their issues, both are socially very well-adjusted and have both gay friends, in fact my daughters very best friend is gay, and have a circle of friends that is multi ethnic.I’m very proud of both of them.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I read it and, while I don't deny that there may be a higher percentage of bigots amongst some groups in some geographical areas, etc., I don't like statements that include "all" people of a certain group. I know, and you've said explicitly, that of course not "all" people in a certain age and ethnic group are phobic or bigoted, but some of your statements do say that. I just think language is important and it can further stereotypes; never a good thing IMO. As a later boomer, I hear that kind of talk about boomers all the time and as someone who has spent more years than I care to remember in the trenches fighting for social and economic justice, I resent the language itself; although I realize the thoughts behind it might not represent the stated words.

Fair enough?

Language is important. Which is the issue with carving out these caveats that ignore the issue and give safe haven to bigots. If you fill up an auditorium in Britain with 1000 over 40s cis British men and women, and 50 of them would be considered "not transphobic" by someone with an understanding of transphobia, would this fundamentally change the struggle for trans folk in Britain? It's so bad in Britain, the Council of Europe put it in writing.

Your concern is for those who aren't struggling and imo, gives cover to those who argue they aren't bigots, but are concerned for "women's sports", "women's rights", etc., while trying to rip rights from women, men and NB folk, including children. Just because every Confederate solider didn't own a slave or considered themselves racist, didn't change the struggle. Those who are allies, don't see the phrase "all older white folk" and think they are being attacked. They understand the struggle.

 

[InCali]

Language is important. Which is the issue with carving out these caveats that ignore the issue and give safe haven to bigots. If you fill up an auditorium in Britain with 1000 over 40s cis British men and women, and 50 of them would be considered "not transphobic" by someone with an understanding of transphobia, would this fundamentally change the struggle for trans folk in Britain? It's so bad in Britain, the Council of Europe put it in writing.

Your concern is for those who aren't struggling and imo, gives cover to those who argue they aren't bigots, but are concerned for "women's sports", "women's rights", etc., while trying to rip rights from women, men and NB folk, including children. Just because every Confederate solider didn't own a slave or considered themselves racist, didn't change the struggle. Those who are allies, don't see the phrase "all older white folk" and think they are being attacked. They understand the struggle.

Then think about working on your language. My concern, in this particular discussion, is to avoid stereotypes and I don't need anyone telling me who my concern is for; especially when it is 180 degrees off. Telling people how they feel or what they think is called "covert abuse". IMO, language shouldn't lump everyone of a particular group into a particular mindset. I know it's hard to do, but, hey, language is important.

It's important to not have people and their sycophants pat each other on the back, but, rather, think about the effect of their own words and have honest discussions about the mistakes we all make.

EDIT: I reread your post a few times, took some time to think about it, and believe you make some valid points WRT those people who transfer their fake concerns while denying people rights. That being said, I don't see how in the world it hurts anyone to be more accurate in their statements. I said specifically that the language is sometimes a bit annoying, but that I recognized the intent behind it and will probably never understand how it would hurt to slightly qualify a statement that is factually incorrect. This can be a very difficult medium for people to express their thoughts accurately and I generally just overlook it because of that. In this case, you brought me into the conversation and all I'm really saying is that I think people should be more precise in their statements. It's one of my personal "things" because I think it can cause misunderstandings.