Discussion: Racism - Part 1

[MessiahDecoy123]

No I think most people generally get along. It's the loud few, white or black, cop or citizen, politician or taxpayer that fuel this hate and the media amplifies pin drops that makes the sensible majority think it's an explosion and freak out. The media profits, the racists profit...and everyone else loses. Things won't get better until people sit down and have an honest discussion with each other. The real war is the war on poverty.

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[KRYPTON INC.]

Who watches the Watchmen?

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I don't know... Coast Guard?

 

[chamber-music]

Contrary to popular belief by those who aren't black, black people do care about black on black violence and do take steps within the community against it. The idea that black-on-black crime is not a significant political conversation among black people is patently false.

In Chicago, long maligned for its high rates of intraracial murder, members of the community created the Violence Interrupters to disrupt violent altercations before they escalate. However, those who insist on talking about black-on-black crime frequently fail to acknowledge that most crime is intraracial. Ninety-three percent of black murder victims are killed by other black people. Eighty-four percent of white murder victims are killed by other white people. The continued focus on black-on-black crime is a diversionary tactic, whose goal is to suggest that black people don’t have the right to be outraged about police violence in vulnerable black communities, because those communities have a crime problem.

BLM is a loose grass roots activism movement that specifically formed to address the issue of law enforcement interaction with African Americans.

Black people are individuals. We don't have a hive mind. We can address different issues.

People can handle being against violent crime by those who are black and dealing with the deaths of black people by police at the same time. It isn't a either or situation. Tying to make it one is just a strawman argument.

The last Babershop movie was all about gang violence/black on black crime in Chicago. A movie with Ice Cube being against gang violence is ironic but at least he is trying to put a more positive message out there in his entertainment these days.

 

[ban768]

Court Records Detail Keith Scott's Criminal History

Records show briefly last year, Scott’s wife took out a restraining order against him.

“He hit my 8 year old in the head a total of three times with is [sic] fist....He kicked me and threaten [sic] to kill us last night with his gun. He said he is a ‘killer’ and we should know that,” she wrote on the form last October.

The complaint asked, “Is there any reason that a law enforcement officer should consider the defendant a potential threat? (i.e., carries concealed weapons while drinking alcohol, has threatened officer, etc.)”
She marked “yes” and wrote, “He carries a 9mm black.”
The protective order was filed Oct. 5, 2015, and Rakeyia Scott voluntarily dismissed it on Oct. 16, 2015.

In Texas, he served more than eight years for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and evading arrest. His attorney for that case told Time Warner Cable News he shot a man he believed was threatening his family.

http://www.twcnews.com/nc/charlotte...s-details-keith-scott-s-criminal-history.html


Man shot by Charlotte police was sold stolen gun, authorities say


The gun that Keith Scott had on him during the deadly shooting was reported stolen after a breaking and entering, police said.

The breaking and entering suspect told ATF Agents that he sold the gun to Scott.



The suspect is in custody.

Scott's wife filed a domestic violence protective order on him in 2015 saying he hit his child, kicked her and threatened to kill them with his gun, ABC affiliate WSOC reported Monday evening.

http://abc11.com/news/man-shot-by-charlotte-police-was-sold-stolen-gun-authorities-say/1527591/

 

[chaseter]

BLM is a loose grass roots activism movement that specifically formed to address the issue of law enforcement interaction with African Americans.

Except BLM demanded reparations and lost all credibility of being a non-racist movement.

 

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Except BLM demanded reparations and lost all credibility of being a non-racist movement.

Actually it was it was some coalitions affiliated to the BLM that wanted reparations not the core movement itself which is decentralized.

 

[conan69]

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[chaseter]

Actually it was it was some coalitions affiliated to the BLM that wanted reparations not the core movement itself which is decentralized.

It was 60 coalitions. I've seen no counter insurgency from within to reject those official policy releases. It may not be how it started, but it is now.

 

[Docker2.0]

You guys kill me with terms like "race baiters" and such. That video above with Officer Plunkett where they were clearly trumping up charges on the guy and BEGGING to taze him shows that there is a race problem in the country. And the only reason dude didn't go to prison is because of video and even then the police were found not guilty.

 

[hellified]

Im half black, my mother is black. Ive lived in some real ****holes in my time as well. I didnt say black people dont care about black on black crime. I didnt say its not a concern to black folk. I said the BLM movement (along with the baiters) doesnt care because it doesnt fit their political narrative. How many Charolotte like protests have these movements put on in Chicago to protest the black on black genocide ( which is really what it is) going on there? How many times have huge groups taken to the street to say theyve have enough and wont take anymore black on black violence?
Intraracial argument... I get it and you made my point. Its not a diversionary tactic, its a fact. Take to the streets and protest Chicago for the violence there the way they did in NC, and Id be supporting them.
But they dont.

First off. I'm REALLY getting tired of this BS narrative that there are no large crowds or protests by blacks about "black on black" crime/violence you say that BLM should do movements for this purpose when it was already explained that the core group has a specific target issue about police and the judicial system in regards to black people.

Then you say: How many times have huge groups taken to the street to say theyve have enough and wont take anymore black on black violence?
Intraracial argument... I get it and you made my point. Its not a diversionary tactic, its a fact. Take to the streets and protest Chicago for the violence there the way they did in NC, and Id be supporting them.
But they dont.

LOCAL, NATIONAL CIVIL RIGHTS LEADERS PUSH FOR END TO CHICAGO VIOLENCE


Thursday, June 04, 2015
CHICAGO (WLS) -- A new generation of civil rights leaders is converging in the city this weekend as the Chicago International Youth Peace Movement Conference kicks off Thursday. It's an effort to bring ideas from around the globe to help stop the violence in the city.

Jessica Disu, who raps under the moniker FM Supreme, has been touring Chicago Public Schools recently armed with an anti-violence music video commissioned by ABC7 and powerful message.

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Those rallies, protest, vigils and movements are HAPPENING and have for YEARS..so this notion that blacks don't move in the same way about so called "black on black violence" as they do about police on black violence is just not so!

The whole notion of black on black violence as a specific thing is a deflection..if black on black violence is a thing then white on white violence should be a thing too but no one talks about that no matter how many mass spree shootings and kiling happen among white people or latinos or asians. And the reason black on black crime HAS to be a thing is to divert from other issues that are just as real...the deflection works like this..UNTIL BLACKS CLEAN THEIR ACT UP THEMSELVES FIRST...WE CAN'T DEAL WITH ANY OTHER ISSUES THAT IMPACT THAT ADVERSELY COMMUNITY AT ALL. Thats the whole point of "black on black crime/violence" deflection period.

But none of these solutions will help unless the black community faces its own problems, the largest being lack of parental figures. 70% of black households are without a father figure. 50 years ago that number was reversed and the black communites were strong and tight.. they needed to be to survive. The villiage to raise a child mentality is gone.


I think its just a sad state we're in. And unfortunately I think its going to get worse, not better.

Ahh..the respectability politics argument and the idea that if only black people had more respect for themselves and others then this wouldn't be happening is flawed in a huge way. Mainly because if that were true then racism would have ended around the turn of the 20th century and certainly by 1950s. Its almost universally agreed that the blacks of the 50s are soooo much better than the present generation. Back then blacks had pride and worked hard and showed christian values and the father was still in the home etc etc..not like the blacks of today at all...but if that was the case then why were they STILL treated like crap at every turn? Why were they lynched and disappeared and bullied and jailed? Whats happening today has nothing to do with blacks needing to exhibit even more respect than before. The vast majority of blacks are law abiding hard working people but the narrative of crime stats and other social ills obscures that.

And its not even a new or recent narrative. There are OpEd pieces going back as far as the late 1800s talking about how blacks are jailed more than their population number or are more violence prone etc so whats happening today is a rerun of the same alienating tactic and narrative.

And this illustrates Kaepernick's point and position. I'll go even further and say that there is no such thing as African Americans or Black Americans its just Black people IN America. The reason I can say this is because unemployment, drugs issues and crime happening in the black community is NOT seen as AMERICAN problems but BLACK problems that THEY need to solve FIRST before they can be considered as a part of the American collective. When theres a problem with white people like sandy hook or some kind of shooing spree or a drug epidemic its presented as an AMERICAN problem that WE ALL need to be aware of and do something about. But those SAME issues found among Black people is NOT an american issue its THEYRE issue and THEY need to deal with it ON THEYRE OWN. Anything else is seen as a handout and derided even tho whites created welfare for themselves in the first place, whites created the racial politics system that lasted for the majority of this country's existence whether it was chattel slavery, Black Codes, The Chinese Exclusion Act, various programs that destroyed the indians culture, Jim Crow laws etc etc. That being the case why should Kaepernick and others who feel like he does honor the flag..a symbol of a society thats had to be dragged kicking and screaming toward progress.

So stop with the deflections and BS narratives...

 

[conan69]

Ahh..the respectability politics argument and the idea that if only black people had more respect for themselves and others then this wouldn't be happening is flawed in a huge way

The reason I can say this is because unemployment, drugs issues and crime happening in the black community is NOT seen as AMERICAN problems but BLACK problems that THEY need to solve FIRST before they can be considered as a part of the American collective. When theres a problem with white people like sandy hook or some kind of shooing spree or a drug epidemic its presented as an AMERICAN problem that WE ALL need to be aware of and do something about. But those SAME issues found among Black people is NOT an american issue its THEYRE issue and THEY need to deal with it ON THEYRE OWN.

Where did I say its not a american problem, but is solely a black problem that black people have to deal with??? WTF man.

I never said black people dont care about black on black violence. I was specifically talking about political narrative of a political group.

edit:
I just deleted another really long response. Not going to even bother.
Should have heeded my initial thought of avoiding a response. Im not going to debate with people who continue to twist my words with their own interpretation.

Ill just end with this. I never said there wasnt systemic racism. I made comments in my post that clearly addressed some of the issues you single out in your post above - you ignored them. You seem to have your own BS deflections and narrative.

Im also aware of the protest you posted above. I really cant be bothered to respond about the differences.

Another edit:
As for Kapernick. I refused to say the pledge 30 years ago in school. I didnt need a mediocre quaterback to tell me right from wrong.. to be my moral compass. I read books and made up my own mind. Say the pledge or dont, stand or dont stand. I makes no difference to me. I was able to make up my own mind before a NFL nothing did it for me. But sheeple gonna sheep.

 

[SuperT]

People love to tell the black community what they should have and shouldn't focus on. When is the white community going to address the issue of crazy white guys shooting up schools, malls, churches and everything else? You're more than likely to die by one of them then a black person.

 

[hellified]

Where did I say its not a american problem, but is solely a black problem that black people have to deal with??? WTF man.

I never said black people dont care about black on black violence. I was specifically talking about political narrative of a political group.

BLM has a specific target issue... because they're not protesting black on black crime doesn't delegitimize their point or issue.

Ill just end with this. I never said there wasnt systemic racism. I made comments in my post that clearly addressed some of the issues you single out in your post above - you ignored them. You seem to have your own BS deflections and narrative.

Im also aware of the protest you posted above. I really cant be bothered to respond about the differences.

then you ended your point on those solutions you posted with this:

But none of these solutions will help unless the black community faces its own problems, the largest being lack of parental figures. 70% of black households are without a father figure. 50 years ago that number was reversed and the black communites were strong and tight.. they needed to be to survive. The villiage to raise a child mentality is gone.

those are YOUR words (even you deleted the original post) what you stated was essentially respectability politics. Thats why you deleted the post because you know what you said and what you meant was jacked up.

You and people who feel the same way you do can't agree theres systemic racism and social injustice then say BUT...

its the systemic racism and social injustice that broke up the black family and destroyed the village in the first place. And you can bring up the greatest generation of blacks from the 50s and that STILL doesn't matter because they were treated like crap ANYWAY. So if youre black and not so good you get screwed and if youre black and good you get screwed. So it doesn't matter.

 

[SuperT]

And you can bring up the greatest generation of blacks from the 50s and that STILL doesn't matter because they were treated like crap ANYWAY.

This! This right here. People love to shove MLK back in our faces and tell people to be more like him but guess what? They still assassinated him, and people like him just like they assassinated Malcolm X and his people.

Respectability politics is a cancer in the black community and only further ostracizes poor an under-educated people in our communities. It doesn't matter if you have a masters degree or never finished high school - you're black in America and you're still going to be treated just the same.

 

[conan69]

those are YOUR words (even you deleted the original post) what you stated was essentially respectability politics. Thats why you deleted the post because you know what you said and what you meant was jacked up.

sigh.. I deleted the post.. the whole post, the entire post... that included a list of police and urban reform.... because I dont feel like going back and forth about it with you. Not because I know Im wrong. Seriously man... Again with the warped interpretations. What was that about seeing things with biased narrative???
I said I wouldnt comment on this thread again awhile back, when people here made assumptions about me based on a post, that I must be white, and therefore privledged enough that I spend all my time complaining about protestors delaying me in traffic, interferring with my eating out in expensive restaurants and playing golf. I should have stuck with that opinion.

Its not because my comment was "jacked up'.

Too bad for you that guys like Henry Louis Gates and Cornell West agree with me.

So ****ing done here.

 

[Iceman]

No I think most people generally get along. It's the loud few, white or black, cop or citizen, politician or taxpayer that fuel this hate and the media amplifies pin drops that makes the sensible majority think it's an explosion and freak out. The media profits, the racists profit...and everyone else loses. Things won't get better until people sit down and have an honest discussion with each other. The real war is the war on poverty.

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[hellified]

sigh.. I deleted it because I dont feel like going back and forth about it with you. Not because I know Im wrong. Seriously man... Again with the warped interpretations. What was that about seeing things with biased narrative???
I said I wouldnt comment on this thread again awhile back, when people here made assumptions about me based on a post, that I must be white, and therefore privledged enough that I spend all my time complaining about protestors delaying me in traffic, interferring with my eating out in expensive restaurants and playing golf. I should have stuck with that opinion.

Its not because my comment was "jacked up'.

Too bad for you that guys like Henry Louis Gates and Cornell West agree with me.

So ****ing done here.

History will bear out who falls on the right side or wrong side of an issue. 50 years ago during the height of the civil rights movement there were black people who spoke not in favor of the marches and downplayed the issues. Today looking back at those time NO ONE would deny the righteousness of the civil rights movement or the need for it in that era and today those same people look like morons and house negros. And today if any of them are still relevant they try to mitigate their stance back then or they don't talk about it.

 

[chaseter]

People love to tell the black community what they should have and shouldn't focus on. When is the white community going to address the issue of crazy white guys shooting up schools, malls, churches and everything else? You're more than likely to die by one of them then a black person.

Whites kill blacks at 7.5%
Blacks kill whites at 13.6%

Whites kill blacks at a rate 50% less than blacks killing whites. Why is that? Also note that there were 2609 black murderers and 2755 white murderers in the FBI's data. When adjusted proportionally for population, blacks are 5x more likely than whites to commit homicide, regardless of the race of the victim. How do you explain that?

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....f_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

But yes, whites are more likely to die at the hands of other whites just because of sheer numbers...

 

[moviedoors]

People love to tell the black community what they should have and shouldn't focus on. When is the white community going to address the issue of crazy white guys shooting up schools, malls, churches and everything else? You're more than likely to die by one of them then a black person.

Your odds of dying in a mass shooting are extraordinarily low, statistically speaking. Of all the ways to make your point, citing mass shooters might be the worst.

 

[hellified]

Whites kill blacks at 7.5%
Blacks kill whites at 13.6%

Whites kill blacks at a rate 50% less than blacks killing whites. Why is that? Also note that there were 2609 black murderers and 2755 white murderers in the FBI's data. When adjusted proportionally for population, blacks are 5x more likely than whites to commit homicide, regardless of the race of the victim. How do you explain that?

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....f_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

But yes, whites are more likely to die at the hands of other whites just because of sheer numbers.. When population is proportionally adjusted, it is very close to even.

Italian immigrants and violent crime

On Sunday, Aug. 4, 1901, the Boston Globe invited five prominent Italians and Italian Americans to respond to the question: “Is the Italian More Prone to Violent Crime than Any Other Race?”

The question was not simply a product of anti-Italian stereotypes. As the table below notes, crime statistics of the time showed that while Italians committed few crimes against property or public order, they were highest on the list for crimes against persons, i.e., violent crimes. The five respondents were Fr. Ubaldus Da Rieti, Giuseppe De Marco, Dr. Joseph Santosuosso, and A.A. Badaracco, and George. A. Scigliano. Each of the men answered the question in a different way. They did not deny that Italians seemed to be prone to violent crime, but like Bushee they limited it to certain groups and attributed it to cultural or environmental factors.

Ubaldus claimed that the violent offenders were actually not Italians, but a sub-group composed of Albanians, Arabs and Greeks who had migrated to Italy years before and then came to America with Italian immigrants. Moreover, these groups were of the lowest classes and thus prone to violent crime.

De Marco objected to the question’s implication that all Italians were prone to violent crime. He attributed the violence to the peasant custom of settling conflict by means of the personal vendetta. However, he emphasized that only a small proportion of Italians were doing this in America: that the majority of Italians were law abiding, and that the newspapers were more interested in headlines than truth.

Santuossuo made sure to clarify what the question was: Not if Italians were committing most of the violent crime, but if the crimes they were committing were more often violent crimes. He accepted the latter as valid, and said that it ultimately stemmed from the passionate nature of Italians and the fact that the recent history of Italy and the harsh conditions of immigration did not provide a positive outlet for that passion.

Badaracco began by stating that the newspapers were responsible for the giving Italians a bad name when each murder committed by Italians was headlined “Another Italian Murder,” but that murders committed by Yankees were not similarly headlined “Another Yankee Murder.” Moreover, Badaracco noted that the crimes that Italians did commit were often a response to attacks by anti-immigrant “hoodlums” or exacerbated by the harsh conditions of immigration.

Finally, Scigliano responded by noting that the crime appeared to be rising in the last few years, but said it was due solely to the “economic and social” context of immigration, mainly overcrowded living quarters and low wages. When these were rectified, Italian crime would subside.

The charge that Italians were prone to violent crime was addressed by others as well, notably Fredrick Bushee, a social worker from the South End House. Bushee visited the North End a few years before the Globe forum, providing an interesting description of “Italian Immigrants in Boston” that was published in the Progressive magazine called The Arena in 1896. Bushee defended the North End Italians against the charge that they were prone to crime by claiming — like De Marco — that violence was mainly limited to a sub-group of Italians, and that it stemmed from the vendetta. As Bushee put it, the violence was due to:
.”..some of the Calabrians, whose fierce countenances do not invite friendliness. They are the ones who carry knives and so frequently use them. This method of procedure, so revolting to us, is simply their way of fighting , for they do not how to use their fists….Under the influence of a stronger public opinion and a more rigid enforcement of the law than was the custom in Italy, this evil is gradually being lessened. The dangerous character which has been given to the North End by these acts of violence, has, however, been greatly exaggerated….” (p. 724).

Seven years later, in 1903, Bushee wrote a detailed study of crime Boston in a section of his book Ethnic Factors in Boston. The statistics he provided show why the Globe question and the Italian reputation for violent emerged: While Italians were not being incarcerated for crimes against property or public order, they were disproportionately being so for crimes against persons — crimes of violence:

Bushee analyzes some of the causes for Italian violence, more or less repeating what he had said in the earlier, above noted, article. He also discusses crime among other immigrant groups, in some cases making comparisons between them. For example, he found Greeks were more likely to be arrested for not holding sales permits, which stemmed from their unfamiliarity with the law, and that “Americans,” British and Scots were prone to crimes of sexual immorality, due to their presence in the restaurant trade, where many single women were also employed.

I will conclude with his comparison of crime between Italians and Irish, which reveals what we have already learned about Italians and violence. It also shows that Bushee was not above stereotyping the Irish — yet also not without a sense of humor:
“If it were not for the well-known serious crimes of the Italians, they might be ranked as one of the more law-abiding of the nationalities. Their record for the less serious offenses is below the average, and few Italian women are arrested….[C]rime would not be so great in the North End if it were not for the quick tempers of the men and their enforced idleness. Most of the Italians are not naturally vicious; the conditions of their life are responsible for the greater part of their crime….

“Crime among the Irish is very different from than among the Italians [Among the Irish] misdemeanors are very prevalent, though serious crimes are not so common [….] There is a moral degradation among Irish families as a result of drink which is not found among other nationalities. And this brings with it a kind of immorality not serious in the eyes of the law, yet demoralizing to the family life.

http://bostoniano.info/northendspirit/italian-immigrants-violent-crime/

you know they stopped keeping crime stats on italians and irish..because they classified them as white americans and as such the stigma and stereotyping just kind of melted away. Not completely but enough that no one even thinks of how much violent crimes and murders either one of their groups commit today.

the whole calculation behind keeping crime stats of specific groups is to alienate and separate the "other" from the collective. This is why I said theres no such thing as Black AMERICANS just Blacks IN America.

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[chaseter]

I'm all for melting away race from everything but that will never happen because some blacks want to have their own cultural identity, some whites are racist, and some whites and blacks want to keep affirmative action alive. We've gone from trying to unify races to separating...and that divide is growing.

As for the crime stats...the FBI isn't trying to alienate any certain group. It's literally black and white. Crime is a product of poverty, usually. Unfortunately, blacks live in poverty at a higher proportional rate than whites. So, crime is proposedly higher for blacks proportionally. Murder however, I cannot explain. Murder is in its own league of evil. That is a product of morality, not necessity. That in my opinion is cultural and the only way to battle that is through education.

 

[hellified]

I'm all for melting away race from everything but that will never happen because some blacks want to have their own cultural identity, some whites are racist, and some whites and blacks want to keep affirmative action alive. We've gone from trying to unify races to separating...and that divide is growing.

Cultural identity doesn't have to be a separating issue again italians and irish, polish and various asian groups are pretty adamant about maintaining their cultural identities...the issue is raised when blacks want to do it tho.
As far as affirmative action goes:

* The 1790 Naturalization Act permitted only "free white persons" to become naturalized citizens, thus opening the doors to European immigrants but not others. Only citizens could vote, serve on juries, hold office, and in some cases, even hold property.

* White Americans were also given a head start with the help of the U.S. Army. The 1830 Indian Removal Act, for example, forcibly relocated Cherokee, Creeks and other eastern Indians to west of the Mississippi River to make room for white settlers.

* The 1862 Homestead Act followed suit, giving away millions of acres of what had been Indian Territory west of the Mississippi. Ultimately, 270 million acres, or 10% of the total land area of the United States, was converted to private hands, overwhelmingly white, under Homestead Act provisions.

* In the South, the federal government never followed through on General Sherman's Civil War plan to divide up plantations and give each freed slave "40 acres and a mule" as reparations. Only once was monetary compensation made for slavery, in Washington, D.C. There, government officials paid up to $300 per slave upon emancipation - not to the slaves, but to local slaveholders as compensation for loss of property.

* Jim Crow laws, instituted in the late 19th and early 20th century and not overturned in many states until the 1960s, reserved the best jobs, neighborhoods, schools and hospitals for white people.

* The landmark Social Security Act of 1935 provided a safety net for millions of workers, guaranteeing them an income after retirement. But the act specifically excluded two occupations: agricultural workers and domestic servants, who were predominately African American, Mexican, and Asian.

* Like Social Security, the 1935 Wagner Act helped establish an important new right for white people. By granting unions the power of collective bargaining, it helped millions of white workers gain entry into the middle class over the next 30 years. But the Wagner Act permitted unions to exclude non-whites and deny them access to better paid jobs and union protections and benefits such as health care, job security, and pensions. Many craft unions remained nearly all-white well into the 1970s.

* New Deal program, the Federal Housing Administration, that helped generate much of the wealth that so many white families enjoy today. These revolutionary programs made it possible for millions of average white Americans - but not others - to own a home for the first time. The government set up a national neighborhood appraisal system, explicitly tying mortgage eligibility to race. Integrated communities were ipso facto deemed a financial risk and made ineligible for home loans, a policy known today as "redlining." Between 1934 and 1962, the federal government backed $120 billion of home loans. More than 98% went to whites. Of the 350,000 new homes built with federal support in northern California between 1946 and 1960, fewer than 100 went to African Americans.

People want to look down on Blacks for some 40 years of affirmative action.. 1790 to 1970...thats 180 years of affirmative action for whites. Seems to me the govt's been giving hand outs for a long time didn't hear any outcry then. Did it ever occur to white people that when they get a pass for something nonwhites believe its because of their skin color and not personal achievement?

As for the crime stats...the FBI isn't trying to alienate any certain group. It's literally black and white. Crime is a product of poverty, usually. Unfortunately, blacks live in poverty at a higher proportional rate than whites. So, crime is proposedly higher for blacks proportionally. Murder however, I cannot explain. Murder is in its own league of evil. That is a product of morality, not necessity. That in my opinion is cultural and the only way to battle that is through education.

So are you saying that Blacks are morally bankrupt and culturally pathologically inclined to killing? Is that the argument youre making? Because thats the similar argument for italians and irish during their time in the "others" hotseat over 100 years ago. Only education didn't change that for them...they just became white and their criminal stats got melded in with the american born whites and just kind of disappeared.

 

[DeadPresident]

Cultural identity is per definition a separating issue, because it has become primarily about arbitrary indicators instead of behavioral values.

 

[giveyourself12%]

Cultural identity is per definition a separating issue, because it has become primarily about arbitrary indicators instead of behavioral values.

I've never understood "white pride", "black pride" , or when people say, "I am a proud whatever-race person". How can you be proud of something you had nothing to do with?

People can and should be proud of their accomplishments in life, of things they've taken action to achieve. But none of us have any say over what race we're born into.

 

[chaseter]

I'm not quoting that long post but re-read what I wrote. No where did I say blacks were predisposed to be murderers. Anyone can be a murderer. I posed the question as to why homicide rates are higher in the black community, which you didn't answer, and myself proposed crime is related to poverty. However, murder is related to morality which is taught and culturally influenced (aside from mental disorders) and the only way to combat that is through education. Murderers are morally bankrupt...not any certain race.

As I mentioned, cultural appropriation or cultural identities have turned into a separating issue today because people want to be different. That creates a divide between races.