Discussion: Racism

[KRYPTON INC.]

In his first 100 days he had the House and Senate...it was his best chance getting policy through....much the same way that FDR did with The New Deal.

You've again made this a Dems are better Reps. suck discussion. Every time any kind of discussion happens on what and how the parties should change, that is usually the argument that gets made from one side or the other. Not sure where you got the "It's all the same on both sides, so what are you going to do" mentality, you didn't get it from my post....so I'll assume you have heard it elsewhere.

What did the president's first 100 days have to do within the context of racism or the fomenting of racial tension though? It's an odd aside.

As to the rest... Sorry but I feel that is essentially your point. "Both sides are egregiously flawed on race" was the take away for me and I suspect others that read it. And all apologies, but I can't see that supposed parity.

 

[Kelly]

...I'll take your word for it.

Dang, I spit my lemonade....LOL

 

[moviedoors]

Insert "female dog" and "cigarette". There!

 

[moviedoors]

...I'll take your word for it.

Lol. Brilliant.

 

[Kelly]

Possibly.....lol

Um, but the first one, as far as myself, and friends....still not a positive...as far as the 2nd one, it's not really a positive, it is simply a colloquialism for cigarette in Australia and the UK....LONG before it was used as a slur against homosexuals. It actually has a couple of different meanings in the UK.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I can see what you're saying, but I question the positivity. To me it just serves as a reminder of a word with a bad history. If you want to see how positive it is, have someone outside the group use that word.

 

[moviedoors]

I can see what you're saying, but I question the positivity. To me it just serves as a reminder of a word with a bad history. If you want to see how positive it is, have someone outside the group use that word.

I see what you're saying too. It's mostly negative. But I'm also not about to tell Dan or Milo they can't say you-know-what. But I will tell that idiot at work to stop using it like he is.

Again, context. It's messy, but it is what is.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

WAY too much generalizing for comfort here. I only ever use the word "*****" in a friendly way, and that goes for my male friends too. It's the stand up comedy fan in me. Please don't speak for my intentions.

You completely missed my point. It's not generalizing. That's the argument for being able to use it. It's just a word like any other. As if we don't have any "unspoken" rules about how words are used and the N-word is something special.


You use that word around your friends okay. That's fine.

But you aren't acting ******** you can't call a woman that.

I Actually hate ***** too, if you dont mind the words thats fine I just dont. I guess its not as racist as I Thought

It's offensive. Just like any other word. It's a farce cause certain people want to act like the N-word is something unique. It's not. Words have history.

Pretending they don't doesn't help anyone.

Just because you've never used the term w--backs and have no ill-intentions towards Latinos doesn't someone free anyone to now use it.

 

[DeadPresident]

But if your behaving yourself and not drawing attention to yourself you have nothing to worry about. Ive seen in many areas where cops ussually walk up to someone whos causing a scene in some matter. I have never seen a cop just walk up to someone and slam them on the ground out of nowhere. Ive been to cherry hill, brooklyn and west baltimore mind you on multiple occasions.

You can't use your personal experience as an indication of everyone else's.

 

[Greens]

I'm white and I don't mind hearing the N-word. In my experience, black people just use it to describe fellow black people and not in a negative way. I watch some black comedians on YouTube and they all use the word a hundred times (the ***** variant) in one video.

 

[chamber-music]

The idea that cops don't racial profile is well, just false:

http://gawker.com/heres-audio-of-what-sounds-like-an-nypd-captain-pressur-1783544682

This is exactly why being a minority can get you harassed no matter what you do.

The first comment was on point

What I don’t understand is when people throw around statistics about X or Y group commits a certain percentage of the crimes so it makes sense to target them, that they don’t understand how circular that all is. The statistics are based on arrest statistics and if we are targeting or profiling, then of course the numbers will reflect that. For example, arrests for marijuana or public drinking. Do we really think there is a racial difference in the numbers of young people participating in that? Or is the focus more on urban street corners versus frat houses? Or bonfires at the quarry?

 

[Supernova]

You can't use your personal experience as an indication of everyone else's.

Yes I can especially with the 3 areas of baltimore I listed as being the absolute worse. How is my personal experience used any different from someone going on tv and speaking and being taken as truth. Your eyes dont lie.

 

[Supernova]

It's offensive. Just like any other word. It's a farce cause certain people want to act like the N-word is something unique. It's not. Words have history.

Pretending they don't doesn't help anyone.

Just because you've never used the term w--backs and have no ill-intentions towards Latinos doesn't someone free anyone to now use it.

I agree with ya, Look I was raised to never cuss and in no scenario use racist words toward any race. I plan to teach my kid the same mindset despite what others do around him.

 

[DeadPresident]

Yes I can especially with the 3 areas of baltimore I listed as being the absolute worse. How is my personal experience used any different from someone going on tv and speaking and being taken as truth. Your eyes dont lie.

If I had a week I couldn't get through all the logical problems with your belief, the TL;DR is your personal experience is based on who you are as an individual and due to your social characteristics, you don't share others' characteristics therefore your personal experience isn't transferable. Also, speaking as though your finite experience is somehow uniform with everyone else's is absurd.

 

[Supernova]

If I had a week I couldn't get through all the logical problems with your belief, the TL;DR is your personal experience is based on who you are as an individual and due to your social characteristics, you don't share others' characteristics therefore your personal experience isn't transferable. Also, speaking as though your finite experience is somehow uniform with everyone else's is absurd.

I never said it was the end all be all experience. I said a personal experience hence personal

 

[SuperT]

The first comment was on point

So on point. The idea that black people commit more crimes than anyone else is ridiculous. Black people GET CAUGHT MORE than other people because of the fact that we are racially profiled and followed moreso than other races. So when you take that into consideration, of course that's going to skew the numbers.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

It can be a strange thing, to say that we're monitoring Blacks and Hispanics because they commit more crimes when it can also sound like you're saying the reason you catch more Blacks and Hispanics committing crimes is because you're monitoring them more.

 

[Kelly]

So on point. The idea that black people commit more crimes than anyone else is ridiculous. Black people GET CAUGHT MORE than other people because of the fact that we are racially profiled and followed moreso than other races. So when you take that into consideration, of course that's going to skew the numbers.

Soooo, how do you prove that?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Soooo, how do you prove that?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ackwhite-marijuana-arrest-gap-in-nine-charts/

It isn't the big crimes. It is the little things white citizens might slide on that end up putting black citizens in the system.

 

[Kelly]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ackwhite-marijuana-arrest-gap-in-nine-charts/

It isn't the big crimes. It is the little things white citizens might slide on that end up putting black citizens in the system.

Oooook....That is easily remedied...we know the solution.

Now, what about armed robbery, murder, the things that are NOT so easily remedied...what do those statistics show?

And I'm not being contrary here, I'm looking for solutions...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Oooook....That is easily remedied...we know the solution.

Now, what about armed robbery, murder, the things that are NOT so easily remedied...what do those statistics show?

And I'm not being contrary here, I'm looking for solutions...

I think the way the law can go about helping to remedy this situation is by not placing people in the system for stuff like this. This has a lot to do with people's starting position in life. This the vicious cycle of the system that punishes minorities for petty crimes. This leads to a higher chance to turning into far more serious crimes. Black people don't just decide to commit these kind of crimes at a higher rate then white people. It is very much a situational thing, made worse by the justice systems unfair handling of both sides.

 

[Kelly]

I think the way the law can go about helping to remedy this situation is by not placing people in the system for stuff like this. This has a lot to do with people's starting position in life. This the vicious cycle of the system that punishes minorities for petty crimes. This leads to a higher chance to turning into far more serious crimes. Black people don't just decide to commit these kind of crimes at a higher rate then white people. It is very much a situational thing, made worse by the justice systems unfair handling of both sides.

Legalization is the remedy...or at the least decriminalization which we are now seeing from state to state....EVEN in Texas.

And I agree, our penal system cranks out far more criminals than it rehabilitates.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

It's not that complicated. The Wire depicted it perfectly.

There are "stoop" kids and there are "corner" kids. Devote more time, money, energy into getting the "corner" kids off said corners instead of sending pictures of them to local gang units without parental consent (I know through first hand experience).

 

[Thundercrack85]

The key is to get more white people to do it. Then it will become legal nationally. The rise in drug use among whites is the reason the laws are finally changing.

 

[chamber-music]

It is a lot easier targeting poor people as. If you want to go after white collar crime like fraud or major drug dealers then it will take investigation man hours and if your suspect is affluent they will probably get a good lawyer that will put up a good fight.

It is a lot easier to just pick a young poor kid up for a minor crime that is low of the totem pole and get a conviction because they probably have a over worked public defender who thinks they should take a plea deal. It is why prison and jails are filled with those type of people.

If the cops hanged out at any white collar hangout spot, frat house or club they could just as easily find drugs as they would in impoverished neighborhood but it would be a lot hard to convict those type of people.

The thing with the corner kids is that it takes money, social outreach and personal investment to help those kids from going down the wrong path.