Discussion: The DEMOCRATIC P - Part 2

[chaseter]

It’s news but no one cares because as you reference...politics are tit for tat and ‘but he did it’. No one ever gets blamed and the ridiculous bar gets upped and upped by both sides. This is egregious and I had no idea this was semi grey-area legal until today. Neither side should have this ability and people need to be made example of. I’m ok with Hillary and Trump being those examples...Hillary in this instance.

 

[MaceB]

You're right. This crap has got to stop. It's hard, because in order to win you need big money support. But then once you win, it'd be best for the nation to make sure no one else can get that support. We need a hero basically. Our system is broken.

Supreme Court - get off your butts!

 

[SV Fan]

Supreme Court - get off your butts!

They are the idiots who created this problem in the first place. lol

 

[ComicBookNerd]

Taking money out of politics defeats the purpose of having politics in the first place.

 

[MaceB]

Come on man, come on the Gene Roddenberry revolution with us. A government that actively works for the people and not special interests. If we can dream it, we can do it!..........eventually.

 

[ComicBookNerd]

Come on man, come on the Gene Roddenberry revolution with us. A government that actively works for the people and not special interests. If we can dream it, we can do it!..........eventually.

“And 9, 9 tings were gifted to the race of man, who above else, desire power.”

Omit the 9 rings part and that basically describes the fundamental flaw with all human institutions.

 

[MaceB]

I tend to agree that humans are vicious, self defeating, greedy, and terrible... in most circumstances.

Still, I believe that this is our test. Can we rise above the bickering and work towards are common growth together? If not... then it's very possible we'll end up destroying ourselves, now that we have the means to do so.

We need to fight for the Gene Roddenbury revolution... it's that or death... and it aint gonna happen on it's own.

 

[ComicBookNerd]

In an honest world, this would be the official campaign theme song for everyone running for public office,
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[ComicBookNerd]

I tend to agree that humans are vicious, self defeating, greedy, and terrible... in most circumstances.

Still, I believe that this is our test. Can we rise above the bickering and work towards are common growth together? If not... then it's very possible we'll end up destroying ourselves, now that we have the means to do so.

We need to fight for the Gene Roddenbury revolution... it's that or death... and it aint gonna happen on it's own.

Sadly, the best way to unite humans is to find a common enemy.

 

[MaceB]

Sadly, the best way to unite humans is to find a common enemy.

Global climate change. It'll be the enemy eventually... might as well be now.

 

[ComicBookNerd]

Global climate change. It'll be the enemy eventually... might as well be now.

Right now it mainly afflicts the poor. It won’t be addressed seriously until it starts hurting the wealthy. When that happens, expect things to go like they did in Elysium (the last good Matt Damon movie).

 

[MaceB]

Right now it mainly afflicts the poor. It won’t be addressed seriously until it starts hurting the wealthy. When that happens, expect things to go like they did in Elysium.

Every crisis is also an opportunity. The sooner we can get mass acceptance of global climate change (ala tobacco causing cancer) the sooner we can start moving together under a common cause.
Yeah, it's not effecting everyone universally right now. But it's up to us to force the narrative, to shove it down people's throats so much, that they know every morning that their homes and world are under threat. We need a coordinated press campaign by thousands, millions of people. Folks in the street 24/7.
If we don't get on top of it, it'll get on top of us. And if we don't work to make that happen, then yeah... most likely we won't appreciate the danger until it's too late.

The renewable energy revolution has the promise of being the start of the Gene Roddenbury revolution. So much of our warmongering is based on lack. Get rid of the lack in food, in water, in power.... and we got a whole new ballpark. And that's the hidden opportunity behind the global climate change crisis.

 

[ComicBookNerd]

Every crisis is also an opportunity. The sooner we can get mass acceptance of global climate change (ala tobacco causing cancer) the sooner we can start moving together under a common cause.
Yeah, it's not effecting everyone universally right now. But it's up to us to force the narrative, to shove it down people's throats so much, that they know every morning that their environment under threaded. We need a coordinated press campaign by thousands, millions of people.
If we don't get on top of it, it'll get on top of us. And if we don't work to make that happen, then yeah... most likely we won't appreciate the danger until it's too late.

The renewable energy revolution has the promise of being the start of the Gene Roddenbury revolution. So much of our warmongering is based on lack. Get rid of the lack in food, in water, in power.... and we got a whole new ballpark. And that's the hidden opportunity behind the global climate change crisis.

In order for real change to happen, we’ll need a major crisis to hit the United States and/or Europe. A great example of this is Ebola, which plagued West Africa for 36 years. Once cases popped up in Europe & the United States, a cure was developed within a year & a half.

 

[MaceB]

In order for real change to happen, we’ll need a major crisis to hit the United States and/or Europe. A great example of this is Ebola, which plagued West Africa for 36 years. Once cases popped up in Europe & the United States, a cure was developed within a year & a half.

Most likely. But I am hopeful that we might be able to do it ourselves. Like I said, if we can force the narrative and change people's minds ( like how we convinced people that tobacco caused cancer) then maybe we have a chance.

We have to challenge people to not be so selfish, to think of their children. I know it's a heavy lift. But our lives depends on that. If we can convince them of that, then maybe we can jumpstart this thing.

Like I said, we're coming across a crucial point. We have two choices, either evolve or die. I agree that we need a common enemy... I think forcing global climate change to be that enemy is our best bet for humanity's survival in 200 years. And not only to survive, but to flourish. What we have here is a mindset problem.

It's hard, but in this cause... the juice is worth the squeeze.

 

[ComicBookNerd]

Most likely. But I am hopeful that we might be able to do it ourselves. Like I said, if we can force the narrative and change people's minds ( like how we convinced people that tobacco caused cancer) then maybe we have a chance.

We have to challenge people to not be so selfish, to think of their children. I know it's a heavy lift. But our lives depends on that. If we can convince them of that, then maybe we can jumpstart this thing.

Like I said, we're coming across a crucial point. We have two choices, either evolve or die. I agree that we need a common enemy... I think forcing global climate change to be that enemy is our best bet for humanity's survival in 200 years. And not only survive, but flourish. What we have here is a mindset problem.

It's hard, but in this cause... the juice is worth the squeeze.

I hope you’re right, but I have next to zero faith in people on the top to look after the rest of us. If they to take action, I fear it will be by pricing the poor out of the market so that the top 0.1% could continue to thrive.

 

[MaceB]

If history is any example, then you're probably right.

One of my favorite plays is Don Quixote, the Man of La Mancia. One of the big songs in the play is "The impossible Dream"

This is my quest
To follow that star
No matter how hopeless
No matter how far

To fight for the right
Without question or pause
To be willing to march into Hell
For a heavenly cause

The enemy is death. And death always wins. But we still have to fight it.

You're right... it probably won't happen. But that's why we have to fight for the Gene Roddenbury revolution. We need to fight for it every day... a better government, a better environment, a better discourse. Because left to their own devices, they won't change. The elites won't save us. It's up to us. Think about that when your head hits the pillow tonight. :-/

 

[ComicBookNerd]

If history is any example, then you're probably right.

One of my favorite plays is Don Quixote, the Man of La Mancia. One of the big songs in the play is "The impossible Dream"

This is my quest
To follow that star
No matter how hopeless
No matter how far

To fight for the right
Without question or pause
To be willing to march into Hell
For a heavenly cause

The enemy is death. And death always wins. But we still have to fight it.

You're right... it probably won't happen. That's why we have to fight for it. Every day... a better government, a better environment, a better discourse. Because left to their own devices, they won't change. The elites won't do it. It's up to us. Let that hit your pillow when you go to sleep tonight. :-/

That’s a nice passage. Don’t let my cynicism dampen your spirits, people like me don’t change the world.

 

[MaceB]

Haha, you think too little of yourself brotha.

 

[ComicBookNerd]

Haha, you think too little of yourself brotha.

Thanks man, keep the positive outlook alive. Once you lose that, life really sucks.

 

[chaseter]

Pessimists live longer.

 

[ComicBookNerd]

Pessimists live longer.

True, but what do we live for exactly?

Edit: Well, I guess I got the Star Wars trilogy & the Infinity War for now.

 

[Marvolo]

Over population and dwindling resources is more likely to effect us in a big way before global warming. By 2100 our population is supposed to be 10 billion at least and the earth's fresh water resources and current food production resources arent going to support that population. Is anything really being done to avoid this impending known disaster? Not that I know of. How do yall think the rich and greedy are going to deal with that crisis? Come together and sing koombaya and help others? Or claim every resource they can and let millions starve to death and extort the ones that try to survive? Scenario 2 seems more likely to me. In my lifetime I expect to see famine and millions dying from thirst and starvation and sickness. Gene Roddenberry's happy positive future isnt going to happen in this century.

 

[MaceB]

Over population and dwindling resources is more likely to effect us in a big way before global warming. By 2100 our population is supposed to be 10 billion at least and the earth's fresh water resources and current food production resources arent going to support that population. Is anything really being done to avoid this impending known disaster? Not that I know of. How do yall think the rich and greedy are going to deal with that crisis? Come together and sing koombaya and help others? Or claim every resource they can and let millions starve to death and extort the ones that try to survive? Scenario 2 seems more likely to me. In my lifetime I expect to see famine and millions dying from thirst and starvation and sickness. Gene Roddenberry's happy positive future isnt going to happen in this century.

I agree completely. Exponential population growth is a BIG deal! The first half of this century is going to be about energy resources... but the second half of this century is going to be about the essentials: water, food, and a roof to sleep under.

And no, it's not looking good. I'm hopeful that at the precipice, we'll change though. I guess we're lucky, because much of this won't become a life or death problem until the millennials start to die out in a few decades.

 

[SV Fan]

I agree completely. Exponential population growth is a BIG deal! The first half of this century is going to be about energy resources... but the second half of this century is going to be about the essentials: water, food, and a roof to sleep under.

Maybe I am an optimist but the way i look at it is we have a huge source of energy in the sky(the moon(helium 3)), beyond that asteroids can provide us plenty of material(there is basically trillion dollar asteroids just waiting to be mined). In terms of land, i constantly hear talk about terraforming mars so why can't we terraform desserts. As for water ever hear of desalinization.

As for the population the best thing to do is bring 3rd world countries to the 21st century because studies show that in modern countries you actually see population decreases amongst the population since having kids actually costs money(as opposed to having 10 kids helps you live off theland)

 

[MaceB]

We should definitely start mining the moon for rare earth metals, helium 3, and solar energy on the moon's peak. I'm not sure if that's gonna be the answer to our energy woes though, honestly.

The thing is that population growth is exponential. We had 6 billion people on the planet 20 years ago. Now we have 9 billion. In 20 more years, we'll probably have 12 billion or something. Population overgrowth could happen really suddenly because it's exponential growth rate. If we're going to survive, we either need to instate population growth laws (no one loves that, but it's a must), start to colonize the oceans and yes Mars and the moon, or.... I dunno. Industrializing the world is a good idea, but I doubt it'll be enough.