Discussion: The REPUBLICAN Party XIV

[Smashlilman]

Looks like Rove is freaking out over this and trying to defect it back at Obama.
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[Hotwire]

Looks like Rove is freaking out over this and trying to defect it back at Obama.
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He's just pissed because the Democrats beat him at his own game. Look at the campaigns he ran for Bush. The things he did to John McCain and John Kerry. He just can't fathom how someone could beat him like that.

 

[Kelly]

Romney's problem was that he took photo ops with people like Joe Arpaio, and said that Arizona's immigration law should be a model for the country.

That would make anyone who speaks Spanish nervous.

He made Rick Perry look like a moderate. At least when it came to immigration.

Nah, what killed Romney was that the big Republican vote that so many in the media, and pollsters talked about? Didn't show up...

The voting turn out was dismal at best...

 

[Kelly]

If white democrats push near 93% of the black vote, then I stand corrected.

That being said, where Rubio might not pull 93% of the Hispanic vote, its gonna help. Romney was pretty much null and void in that demographic, and as many have said, while Obama had an electoral beatdown on Romney, he was close in the individual battleground states, close enough that stronger support from a demographic like Latinos could have flipped. I dont think Rubio would need to pull 93% or anywhere close... Just more than 20% or whatever Romney pulled.

Of course I dont know much about Rubio or his policies. I think I saw one thing he said that I didn't like and I dont even remember what it was.

I wouldn't suggest that any voting demographic is "stupid" just cuz a candidate looks like them, it is a factor. And a significant one at that. Maybe its not enough to make liberal Latinos vote Rubio, but it could sway more central / undecided.

I didn't see him close at all in the battleground states except Florida...he barely pulled 46% of the vote in most of those states, that isn't close at all....I was really surprised that it wasn't closer, IMO that is more about voter turn out of Republicans in those states than anything else. The voter turnout was terrible. And I hope that this makes the pollsters put out the money to do more viable calling techniques using CELLPHONES, whether than still using the cheaper land line method which most still use today. The polling was absolutely horrible this go around.

 

[Smashlilman]

LOL this was fast- Rubio is heading to Iowa next week for a fundraiser.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/11/08/marco-rubio-headed-to-iowa-next-week/

Given that he hails from Florida & how poorly Romney did with minorities, all eyes seem to be turning to Rubio as their best bet to combat the changing U.S. demographics. He is a young senator who Republicans pray can inspire legitimate enthusiasm for a Republican candidate for the first time in decades. Too bad the guy is a hardcore tea partier. But, he will still be a politician to follow as the Grand Ole Party's younger generations instinctively turn on the establishment. Rubio's influence is certainly on the rise.

Alan Keyes: Obviously Clear Marco Rubio Not Eligible Under Article II - 9/12/2011
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[Kelly]

Alan Keyes: Obviously Clear Marco Rubio Not Eligible Under Article II - 9/12/2011
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Well Alan Keyes is a bitter Conservative because no one on the Conservative right gave him the time of day....

Under Article II --


By the time of their inauguration, the President and Vice President must be:

• natural born citizens
• at least thirty-five years old
• inhabitants of the United States for at least fourteen years.

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

The Constitution does not define the phrase natural-born citizen, and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its precise meaning. A 2011 Congressional Research Service report stated

The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term "natural born" citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship "by birth" or "at birth", either by being born "in" the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship "at birth". Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an "alien" required to go through the legal process of "naturalization" to become a U.S. citizen.

Rubio was born in Miami, Florida in 1971.


I guess we will be switchin over to a Republican now for birthers....lol, hey at least it will ease up on Obama...

BTW, yes, Obama meets all of that criteria as well...
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[Smashlilman]

Well Alan Keyes is a bitter Conservative because no one on the Conservative right gave him the time of day....

Under Article II --


By the time of their inauguration, the President and Vice President must be:

• natural born citizens
• at least thirty-five years old
• inhabitants of the United States for at least fourteen years.

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

The Constitution does not define the phrase natural-born citizen, and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its precise meaning. A 2011 Congressional Research Service report stated

The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term "natural born" citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship "by birth" or "at birth", either by being born "in" the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship "at birth". Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an "alien" required to go through the legal process of "naturalization" to become a U.S. citizen.

Rubio was born in Miami, Florida in 1971.


I guess we will be switchin over to a Republican now for birthers....lol, hey at least it will ease up on Obama...

BTW, yes, Obama meets all of that criteria as well...
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I'm just saying that the birther portion of the Republican party may try to cannibalize him during the primaries. They're not going away unless the Republican Establishment goes out of its way to crush, suppress, and silence them.

 

[Kelly]

Well, until I hear it from others besides an Alan Keyes then it isn't an issue. He is a man that likes the spot light, much like Trump.

 

[Excel]

One has to wonder if the Republican voters who didn't show up really even exist...

 

[Dr. Evil]

Even a politician who died before the election got re-elected. Seems Texans like their incumbents.
http://www.ksat.com/news/Late-Texas...ober/-/478452/17324502/-/907xenz/-/index.html

It usually takes a retirement (Hutchison) or death for someone new to pop up.

Had she not retired, she would have most likely won by a landslide for another term.

 

[Kelly]

Even a politician who died before the election got re-elected. Seems Texans like their incumbents.
http://www.ksat.com/news/Late-Texas...ober/-/478452/17324502/-/907xenz/-/index.html

He just died a week or so before early voting...it was symbolic...and he was very loved by his district. He was a great firefighter, and an excellent representative....

The Democrats pushed hard for him to win so that a special election would have to be held to put up an actual candidate against the Republican.

No foul here guys, it was the correct thing to do.

 

[wiegeabo]

Two Republicans arrested after trying to see how easy it would be to commit in person voter fraud.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Two Republicans arrested after trying to see how easy it would be to commit in person voter fraud.

Conclusion: not that easy.

 

[Kelly]

lol....stuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuupid.

 

[Kelly]

lol, what a poll, if anyone answers anything other than yes, they are either living under a rock, or still in the dark ages.... : )

 

[Excel]

I dont normally like her, but this entire thing is scary accurate.

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[Dr. Evil]

Other than Ted Cruz, I'd expect Texas to go back to "status quo" politics in 2014.

 

[Kelly]

One has to wonder if the Republican voters who didn't show up really even exist...

In Florida? yeah, they are there....the panhandle is full of them, and I don't believe they went out to vote.

The area where I live is full of Republicans, but still went Democrat...

It will be interesting to see the demographic breakdown of this election...

 

[Dr. Evil]

In Florida? yeah, they are there....the panhandle is full of them, and I don't believe they went out to vote.

The area where I live is full of Republicans, but still went Democrat...

It will be interesting to see the demographic breakdown of this election...

NBC said it was like 93% African Americans and like 87% Latinos for Obama.

 

[Kelly]

NBC said it was like 93% African Americans and like 87% Latinos for Obama.

I can definitely believe that....around me the conservative hispanics did not go and vote, or I didn't see them...and I have the polling center right outside my classroom window. It was crazy busy.......with Democrats voting....

 

[The Overlord]

If the GOP is the party of personal responsibility, will they take personal responsibility for the mistakes that cost them this election or will they blame everything on Hurricane Sandy, the "liberal media" and everything else besides themselves?

To make a mistake is human, to not learn from that mistake is dangerous. Does the GOP want to act like adults and be reflective and introspective about this election or will they act like children and play the blame game? The GOP should have done this back in 2008, but instead they just accused Obama of being a socialist, focusing their frustrations on him rather then asking themselves the tough questions.

 

[Kelly]

Wow, lots of generalizations there....

 

[Bathead]

I disagree, Kel, I think T.O. is spot on with his questions.

 

[stillanerd]

Looks like Rove is freaking out over this and trying to defect it back at Obama.
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He's just pissed because the Democrats beat him at his own game. Look at the campaigns he ran for Bush. The things he did to John McCain and John Kerry. He just can't fathom how someone could beat him like that.

There's probably some truth in that, but what Rove is saying here is not entirely wrong either. No, running negative ads is not same thing as "voter suppression" like rigging voting machines or physically keeping people from voting, etc. But negative ads are purposefully designed to discourage potential voters from voting for a candidate. That's why, contrary to what politicians might say about how they want to run a clean campaign, they use negative ads because they know they work. And in terms of negative ads, the Obama campaign went on the attack, putting Romney constantly put on defensive.

But Rove and other Republican commentators and analysts are forgetting one very crucial fact: the base of the Republican party was not all that enthusiastic about Romney to begin with. That's why he didn't secure the nomination in 2008. The only reason why he got the nomination this time around was because the other Republican candidates were too preoccupied in beating each other up and dividing their base that allowed Romney to secure the nomination with a collation comprised mostly of rich white males and college graduates--the same collation he had back in 2008 and who also make up the bulk of the Republican establishment. The fact is that while Romney is an eloquent speaker and looks "presidential," he was and always has been a weak candidate for President.

 

[Kelly]

I disagree, Kel, I think T.O. is spot on with his questions.

"They" accused Obama of being a socialist? Who is they? All Republicans??? All Conservatives??? All who disagree with Obama??? Who is they???? THAT is a generalization. The entire GOP called him a "socialist"???? Did anyone say that in their speeches at the RNC? If they did I missed that, or was it the idiots on talk radio????

I agree that the Republican party should look inward, and fix their problems....but calling Obama a "socialist" was not the main problem, or even close to it....good lord.