Disney in talks to buy Fox: X-Men Homecoming? - Part 3

[Big Bang]

It's only risky if it's dark and edgy.

Hmm, I think heard something similar one time. Where could that have possibly been?

 

[honestbharani]

Yeah but that was a situation between two separate autonomous studio entities. Now because Disney is going through the process of acquiring the assets, things like that will be in a holding period. They will not be allowed to make a move like that until government approves the sale.

Disney and 21st Century Fox have made a sale for Disney to buy all these assets. It doesn't make sense to make a separate deal that supercedes that. What if the government blocks the deal? Then Fox still owns all those film rights.

It's not that simple. Spidey for Sony/Disney is nothing like this at all. It's a totally different matter.

A lot of people here are excited. That's great. I'm excited by all the possibilities of this as well. But this has to go through its regulatory process.

This period has to run its course before we can see the media really take shape.

You really don't seem to get the picture at all. Or whatever you have gotten is completely wrong. It is totally ok for individual agreements be put in place between two parties on "certain" assets. especially on the creative side, while a merger deal is being put through the judiciary. That is allowed on almost every democratic country's judiciary in the world.

 

[honestbharani]

There will be some immediate effects. Yes this does need to go through regulatory oversight, but Fox will start transitioning right away. This is what companies do when these deals get made, they have to be ready and running when the actual transition occurs, so they will decide on department restructuring, personnel and business unit alignment. They have to identify areas where there is redundancy, and unfortunately people will be identified for layoffs, severance agreements will be made, etc.

All of those things take time, so yes this is going to take a while to finalize, but it's not like these companies are going to sit around for the next 6-12 months twiddling their thumbs. Re-orgs will surely happen right away.

Also, creatively speaking, there is absolutely no reason why Marvel can't start cross-pollinating characters or story arcs IF THEY WANT TO. Marvel can take an advisory role on the Fox movies and own complete creative control over their own movies. Fox can basically show Marvel their final cuts and ask if they would like to seed something in there. Also, there is nothing now that is going to stop, say, a FF reference or even characters showing up in Avengers 4. Coz, even in the worst case of the deal being stopped (and at this point there is no reason for it to be stopped), those rights will most likely go back to Marvel.

Some folks just wanna spout baseless negative stuff.

 

[honestbharani]

That doesn't equal FF or Mutants in films or even post cred scenes in the immediate future. If for nothing else than Fox is releasing three other Mutant films. You don't want to confuse the audience. Plus there are casting calls, directors to talk to, fitting these characters into what the next big MCU arc post Thanos is... So it's gonna be awhile before these MCU versions show up.

So what exactly will be confusing about FF showing up in the MCU again? I get your point on the X Men and I understand that Marvel will likely take its time and do this right, including casting, scripts etc. But they had a Spiderman script ready in no time and got him cast within months of the deal being announced too. As I said in my earlier post, I think there will be an effect felt even as soon as the 2019 MCU movies. Really seems like many are arguing coz they don't actually like the fact that this deal is now done. Is that a coping mechanism of some sort?

 

[honestbharani]

but are they legally allowed to?

 

[honestbharani]

There seem to be a few "fans" here who are actually unhappy with Marvel's success and are using the "rights are not yet done, it will be a long time before this gets approved, you wont see X Men or FF in MCU anytime soon, Fox did villains better, Fox took more risks" stories. Obviously, none of them are actually true. Still funny to see how different folks' coping mechanisms can be.

In reality though, I think the choice has already been made at Disney/Marvel that they can keep the X Men Universe going under Fox for next couple of years at least but to bring in the FF to the MCU. That makes the most sense logically at the moment as it can confuse the audience if you had either existing X Men into the MCU or rebooted them so soon after their movies came out. I totally expect FF in Phase 4 of the MCU and the FoX Men Saga play out to its end by 2020 or so. We may see them rebooted circa 2023. To me, it is the most sensible way forward now that all the rights are back with the home company.

 

[TheVileOne]

The WGA is not happy.

http://www.tracking-board.com/disne...or-everyone-but-theater-owners-and-the-x-men/

“In the relentless drive to eliminate competition, big business has an insatiable appetite for consolidation. Disney and Fox have spent decades profiting from the oligopolistic control that the six major media conglomerates have exercised over the entertainment industry, often at the expense of the creators who power their television and film operations. Now, this proposed merger of direct competitors will make matters even worse by substantially increasing the market power of a combined Disney-Fox corporation. The antitrust concerns raised by this deal are obvious and significant. The Writers Guild of America West strongly opposes this merger and will work to ensure our nation’s antitrust laws are enforced.”

 

[Dasher10]

Well not really. It's the original X-Men pretending to be mutant hunters working for the government. But it's still the X-Men and still about mutants.

I just don't want the MCU to become completely overrun with mutant stories and become the equivalent of the Fox cinematic universe. That's just transferring everything from one studio to another. I want to see variation with other types of heroes and characters, not everything mutant related.

I was thinking a combination of both Peter David runs. Make them investigators like the 2nd David run but also working for the government like the 1st. Think X-Files in the MCU.

 

[SAUspartan]

Psh whatever. The concerns this article raised are of no concern to me.

Risks like X23, New Mutants, Gambit or Multiple Man might not happen under Disney? Oh nooooooo I’m so sad /sarcasm

No one wanted those movies anyways

Start with the big guns, establish them. Then get to the riskier characters.

I ****ing want them!

 

[InCali]

You really don't seem to get the picture at all. Or whatever you have gotten is completely wrong. It is totally ok for individual agreements be put in place between two parties on "certain" assets. especially on the creative side, while a merger deal is being put through the judiciary. That is allowed on almost every democratic country's judiciary in the world.

Well, are you SURE?? There is at least one hypothesis out there that would indicate that the Disney/Fox merger wouldn't allow for such an egregious flaunting of common sense.

So, I'll ask again; "Do you have any examples?"

 

[InCali]

It's only risky if it's dark and edgy.

Hmm, I think heard something similar one time. Where could that have possibly been?

Risky and stupid are two different things last I checked. If I jump off the roof of my house because it's on fire, that's risky. If I jump off because I think I can fly, that's stupid.

GotG or AM do not = FFINO

 

[CaptainWagner]

Psh whatever. The concerns this article raised are of no concern to me.

Risks like X23, New Mutants, Gambit or Multiple Man might not happen under Disney? Oh nooooooo I’m so sad /sarcasm

No one wanted those movies anyways

Start with the big guns, establish them. Then get to the riskier characters.

Lots of people wanted them. The Mutant roster is HUGE, with so many unique teams and characters that can hold their own like Gambit, New Mutants, X-Force, and Madrox. Now we have to get reintroduced to the "big guns" AGAIN, and forget about the unique characters telling non-traditional superhero stories.

 

[Dasher10]

Lots of people wanted them. The Mutant roster is HUGE, with so many unique teams and characters that can hold their own like Gambit, New Mutants, X-Force, and Madrox. Now we have to get reintroduced to the "big guns" AGAIN, and forget about the unique characters telling non-traditional superhero stories.

Madrox was a bad idea. He should have been reworked into X-Factor.

 

[TheVileOne]

Madrox was a bad idea. He should have been reworked into X-Factor.

I agree. Make him like the centerpiece of the X-Factor movie. But a Multiple Man movie was just a weird idea.

 

[Havok83]

Madrox was a bad idea. He should have been reworked into X-Factor.

I agree. Make him like the centerpiece of the X-Factor movie. But a Multiple Man movie was just a weird idea.

Not really. It likely was serving as a precursor to X-Factor

 

[TheVileOne]

Not really. It likely was serving as a precursor to X-Factor

Then why not just make an X-Factor movie?

 

[Mad Ones]

Didn't PAD's X-Factor also start with a Madrox mini?

 

[Havok83]

Then why not just make an X-Factor movie?

bc it would be about him and not about X-Factor. Like his mini, X-Factor would be the final scene to set up the spinoff

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Madrox as lead with 2 future members as supporting cast. X-Factor adds 2-3 more and its more of an ensemble

 

[CaptainWagner]

Didn't PAD's X-Factor also start with a Madrox mini?

Yeah. I agree X-Factor makes more sense, but they may have just wanted to avoid another X-Franchise, since they were planning on doing X-Force.

 

[TheVileOne]

bc it would be about him and not about X-Factor. Like his mini, X-Factor would be the final scene to set up the spinoff

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Madrox as lead with 2 future members as supporting cast. X-Factor adds 2-3 more and its more of an ensemble

I'd rather see an X-Factor movie with Siryn, Strong Guy, etc. IMHO Madrox is not as interesting by himself.

 

[Dasher10]

Fox has ruined all those villains you mentioned. The only villain not foiled by Fox is Magneto and they made him into an anti hero and not a real villain.

MCU has been doing pretty well with villains lately. This year, I think Ego, Vulture, and Hela were all terrific. Next year’s Kilmonger and Thanos look to continue this streak as well.

Fox ruined Mister Sinister, Kang and Annihilus?

 

[Havok83]

I'd rather see an X-Factor movie with Siryn, Strong Guy, etc. IMHO Madrox is not as interesting by himself.

He wouldnt be by himself as mentioned in the post you quoted

 

[TheVileOne]

He wouldnt be by himself as mentioned in the post you quoted

Then it sounds like it really should just be X-Factor to give some spotlight to those other characters.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Fox ruined Mister Sinister, Kang and Annihilus?

And Super Skrull, Blastar, Onslaught, Vulcan, the Brood and the Phlalanx, the list goes on and on. Not to mention that no one remembers Galactus-Cloud enough to care, Doom is iconic enough not to matter, and Magneto has been an anti-hero in the comics for ages, so not sure how that's an issue...

 

[TheVileOne]

And Dark Phoenix the first time. And Deadpool.