Disney's live-action "Mulan"

[Schlosser85]

China is too huge a slice of the box office pie (and for that matter, of the world economy in general) for a boycott to be practical. It's unrealistic idealism.

 

[samsnee]

I don’t like how studios are over relying on China either. But honestly, there’s not much we can do about it. Even if we all decide to not support it financially, that just means they will rely on international grosses even more.

 

[Schlosser85]

It is what it is, and there's not really any point carrying on about it.

 

[Holy Slapper]

I wonder if Disney anticipated all this controversy and that was part of the reasoning to put this on Disney+ instead of theaters.

Considering medias here have been talking this mostly recently, I can't blame Disney if they hadn't heard anything about this stuff last when year they were filming there. But isn't the movie mostly filmed in New Zealand anyway?

 

[Arachnerd]

I feel like "not supporting genocide" is a pretty low standard to expect from a movie production, but I guess even that is too much to ask for some...

Pretty much. Replies I've gotten on here about my posts are exactly what I expected, so I'm not really surprised. Not even a guy to get "outraged" at the smallest thing (if anything, I've been pretty critical of Twitter's/social media's attitude regarding it with some of my past posts on the matter), but there's an obvious distinction about something minor and inconsequential, and something that was made with support from people who thrive on the backbone on other people's suffering.

I won't turn a blind eye to that, nor pretend to live in blissful ignorance because I cannot face such an awful revelation. But people choose to act how they wish and dismiss what they want, so you just have to accept it despite how much you might disagree. It's the world we live in.

Anyway, I won't be giving Disney a cent to watch this movie. Will gladly wait until it's out for free.

 

[Lenny Jako]

China is too huge a slice of the box office pie (and for that matter, of the world economy in general) for a boycott to be practical. It's unrealistic idealism.

American juStice Barr has warned companies against cosying up to China. India has banned over 100 china apps. Tiktok is facing a ban in America and a cold war is on the horizon. People working on behalf of ccp have been arrested at american universities. Hollywood/media will need to pick a side very soon or they will suffer the same fate. I think western companies will be changing their relationship with China very quickly.

 

[Schlosser85]

American juStice Barr has warned companies against cosying up to China. India has banned over 100 china apps. Tiktok is facing a ban in America and a cold war is on the horizon. People working on behalf of ccp have been arrested at american universities. Hollywood/media will need to pick a side very soon or they will suffer the same fate

lol the Trump administration is hardly one to warn anyone else against cozying up to human rights violating dictatorships and be taken seriously.

And I doubt Hollywood or the media is shaking in their boots.

 

[Prison Mike]

Pretty much. Replies I've gotten on here about my posts are exactly what I expected, so I'm not really surprised. Not even a guy to get "outraged" at the smallest thing (if anything, I've been pretty critical of Twitter's/social media's attitude regarding it with some of my past posts on the matter), but there's an obvious distinction about something minor and inconsequential, and something that was made with support from people who thrive on the backbone on other people's suffering.

I won't turn a blind eye to that, nor pretend to live in blissful ignorance because I cannot face such an awful revelation. But people choose to act how they wish and dismiss what they want, so you just have to accept it despite how much you might disagree. It's the world we live in.

Anyway, I won't be giving Disney a cent to watch this movie. Will gladly wait until it's out for free.

By free, you mean available to Disney+ subscribers in December? I mean you’re still paying $6.99 a month for the service which goes straight into Disney’s pockets. If you’re that outraged over it, shouldn’t you refuse to watch anything from Disney? Why would you want to support a company that made a film “with support from the people who thrive on the backbone in other people’s suffering”?

 

[Schlosser85]

Pretty much. Replies I've gotten on here about my posts are exactly what I expected, so I'm not really surprised. Not even a guy to get "outraged" at the smallest thing (if anything, I've been pretty critical of Twitter's/social media's attitude regarding it with some of my past posts on the matter), but there's an obvious distinction about something minor and inconsequential, and something that was made with support from people who thrive on the backbone on other people's suffering.

I won't turn a blind eye to that, nor pretend to live in blissful ignorance because I cannot face such an awful revelation. But people choose to act how they wish and dismiss what they want, so you just have to accept it despite how much you might disagree. It's the world we live in.

Anyway, I won't be giving Disney a cent to watch this movie. Will gladly wait until it's out for free.

So......you’ll be giving Disney $6.99 to watch this movie? Because by watching it “for free”, you’re subscribed to Disney + and......paying Disney.

This is why I’m dismissive of stuff like this. Because it comes off like you just want to claim moral high ground for a stance that you’re not actually even taking, because you’re still giving Disney your money.

 

[Holy Slapper]

Well, most people have ignored this too..

Mulan Actress Voices Support for Hong Kong Police Amid Protests, Sparks Boycott Calls

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/09/05/mulan-disney-china-hongkong-boycott/

And, nowadays it's difficult to care about most twitter outrages as people are in perpetual outrage mode so..

On the first link, re-posting this:


Anyone who thinks that Chinese actors/actresses can say anything critical about the government without repercussions, then I have a bridge to sell you.

 

[Legendver2]

By free, you mean available to Disney+ subscribers in December? I mean you’re still paying $6.99 a month for the service which goes straight into Disney’s pockets. If you’re that outraged over it, shouldn’t you refuse to watch anything from Disney? Why would you want to support a company that made a film “with support from the people who thrive on the backbone in other people’s suffering”?

That's basically my whole issue with this. People have no problem watching all the Marvel films from this same company, and don't even have a problem with Top Gun or A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood, both of which is directly funded partially by a Chinese company. Most would say you can't blame them for their lack of awareness of Tencent's involvement. Well, if Liu Yifei didn't say anything, none of these people would be aware of the involvement of Xinjiang as part of the filming as well. And notice no one is saying anything about Donnie Yen. They're just picking on Mulan because Liu Yifei, being Asian and female, is low hanging fruit to virtue signal on.

 

[dark_b]

Do we know what were the reshoots for? not from disney but from insiders?

 

[Lenny Jako]

Multiple countries are moving to ban china tech and military colitions are happening in the south China sea. A serious situation is potentially happening. China propoganda infiltrating institutions of the west like academics, businesses, etc. If you feel it's just politics and it will be business as usual going forward, I am uncertain. If you are in charge of these companies and think nothing is changing or evaluated with business in China in the future you are very careless. Morality means nothing in goverment when you have power so if actions are taking place and dynamics are shifting you are potentialy in the line of fire.

 

[MadVillainy]

SO y'all still mad at Twitter and claiming you don't care about it huh.

I was coming to see how many saw it

 

[MadVillainy]

I feel like "not supporting genocide" is a pretty low standard to expect from a movie production, but I guess even that is too much to ask for some...

Well you have to remember that some (maybe most) people don't care about anything but themselves/what will affect them. Just a couple pages ago we had that weird rant from somebody which basically boiled down to throwing a hissy fit and saying "IT DOESN'T AFFECT ME SO I DON"T CARE" and being mad.

And it's really weird/funny because people will then expect empathy from others without giving it themselves. I've seen members on here do it. Especially with COVID and stuff. You go through life complaining all the time when people talking about things that mean something to them and label them all as whiners and constantly complaining like children about Twitter (again when no one forces you to care or follow what goes on on there) and "SJWs

...but then you act indignant when people act selfish or lack empathy when people don't care about your or other's circumstances. You can't expect empathy when you go through life constantly complaining and acting pretentious and being apathetic to every issue that doesn't affect you. That's being a clown.


That all being said...look...this Mulan Boycott thing is kinda iffy to me. I don't think it's wrong to want to Boycott Mulan. It doesn't make any sense why people get mad that people want to boycott the movie or people saying: Now I feel like spending money on this hyuck. That's corny. But 2 things I think/noticed
1) Most of the people who are Boycotting Mulan probably weren't gonna watch it anyway. Maybe it's just my mind, but boycotting something you already don't/won't take part in is just silly and meaningless.
2) So are people gonna boycott Disney in general? Because Disney are the ones who are making this movie with the actors that people want to boycott. Or are you just cherrypicking Mulan, again, probably because they weren't gonna watch it anyway
3) The whole boycott thing was such a small story in the relative scheme of things. At least in the US. If the people complaining about the boycott stopped bringing it up...the story probably would've subsided even more.

 

[Prison Mike]

Your second point is why it seems like fake outrage to me. I doubt people here would boycott Disney in general (which would include Marvel and Star Wars). I respect you if you’re planning to go that far and stick with your principles, otherwise, it just seems fake.

 

[MadVillainy]

Any word on any numbers for this yet?

 

[Legendver2]

3) The whole boycott thing was such a small story in the relative scheme of things. At least in the US. If the people complaining about the boycott stopped bringing it up...the story probably would've subsided even more.

That's basically what happened to the NBA lmao. Reddit was all "boycott the NBA" back when the Morey and Lebron thing happened. Now no one cares, because it's playoff time.

 

[Marvolo]

Any word on any numbers for this yet?

'Mulan' release leads to 68% spike in Disney+ app downloads

 

[zephyrinthesky]

I feel like "not supporting genocide" is a pretty low standard to expect from a movie production, but I guess even that is too much to ask for some...

On the first link, re-posting this:


Anyone who thinks that Chinese actors/actresses can say anything critical about the government without repercussions, then I have a bridge to sell you.

I’m willing to consider that she didn’t have a choice to even stay silent.

But the choice by Disney to film in Xinjiang and thank the local authorities committing genocide is terrible.

 

[Schlosser85]

'Mulan' release leads to 68% spike in Disney+ app downloads

Me and my assistant manager were talking about this and she said it’d have been a better idea if they’d promoted the $30 for Mulan like an entrance fee where you paid it initially for Mulan, then had a period of trial time to check out other stuff and decide if you wanted to subscribe.

 

[MadVillainy]

'Mulan' release leads to 68% spike in Disney+ app downloads

Yeah saw that. But don't you have to have had Disney+ for a month to be able to buy Mulan. I feel like I remember hearing tht

 

[jmc]

'Mulan' release leads to 68% spike in Disney+ app downloads

This stat is kind of meaningless.

 

[jmc]

Just on this political thing with Mulan, it was more or less inevitable from the start given how much they planned to cater the film to China. Although, given the reception I've seen this film getting from China, that plan appears to have fallen through, lol. I've always been puzzled by why Disney chose this film to go on VOD, but if they knew ahead of time the Chinese audience wasn't exactly warming to it it's starts to make more sense. I've also read online from people who were part of focus groups for this film late last year saying the tests didn't exactly show strong support for the film. One of the people running the groups apparently keep trying to compare Mulan to Rey but no-one cared, . If any of that is legit, and based off the reviews it doesn't seem that far fetched, and if they had word before hand Chinese audiences weren't keen, then perhaps Disney saw this wasn't going to be the hit they thought it would.

 

[Lenny Jako]

Prominant youtube channels are now picking up this story with China. A big channel just dropped a sory 30 mins ago. Not going to go away easily. They dug a hole forthemselves and deserve to fall in. Terrible business practices