Disrespected Hero's who never get their Props!!!

[TheCorpulent1]

There you go then, his at-least-fourth war to save all life in the universe.

But offer him a spot on the Avenjerks and OMG TEH BIG TYME

...heh, "Avenjerks"

Well, the New Warriors were started as something of an Avengers fan club, so it's understandable how he'd still be impressed with them. Plus, if Steve Rogers asks you to do something, you do it. Thor would punch an old lady in the crotch if Steve Rogers asked him to, or even implied that it's something he might like to see. He's like the complete antithesis to what this thread is all about. People respect Steve to an almost unreasonable degree.

 

[fifthfiend]

I mean I'm saying, that's dumb.

I think one of my all time favorite moments in comics was that time Cable was all like "Pfft well I guess that's all right, you know. For a captain."

...But like I said, it wouldn't have been quite so dumb if Nova hadn't got chumped, hard, immediately after that.

 

[Dread]

It wasn't dumb for Nova to join the Avengers because Rogers asked for help for a mission. What was dumb was him literally doing nothing in the story besides get brainwashed, and then for Rogers to be able to completely possess the entire Nova Force without so much as a cramp and spank Richard with it. It's like those moments when Batman is given a GL ring and of course he is the MOST PERFECT GREEN LANTERN EVAR, even so much that Hal Jordan risks showing an emotion to react to it. On the one hand, Brubaker writes Rogers as someone who can't go from bed to potty without getting some flashback to WWII or whatever he went through during REBORN, and then the next he can perform fantastic crap like it was BATMAN: BRAVE AND THE BOLD, only played dead straight. I'm amazed Worldmind didn't just dump Richard and beg Rogers to stay on as Prime. I like Brubaker, but that was probably the ****iest conclusion to a story I'd read from him since DEADLY GENESIS. The entire story was designed to make Nova a plot convenient chump rather than seem like a peer among peers. Arrrgh!

 

[fifthfiend]

I think the main theme of "Cyclops: Nobody Likes Him" would be Cyclops meeting people, and then they don't like him.

And then he selflessly and heroically saves their lives, and they're like whoa, you selflessly and heroically saved our lives!

And then he gets all Cyclops again, and everyone's like, yeah, I don't like him.

 

[Dread]

You mean, like when Steve Rogers made sure Cyclops got awarded the Medal Of Honor, and Cyclops just chucked it into the ocean?

 

[fifthfiend]

Hahaha what? I don't know when that happened but yes, YES, exactly like that.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I never thought of him as that lame, to be honest. I liked the roguish quality Whedon gave him. Goody-goody but not overwhelmingly dull about it.

 

[Dread]

Hahaha what? I don't know when that happened but yes, YES, exactly like that.

That happened in an issue of HEROIC AGE: X-MEN.

Or like when Cyclops decided the best way to save San Francisco was to resurrect a threat to Britain (Dracula)? Or when he decides to throw any infant he finds into the future to be raised in some horrific way?

 

[fifthfiend]

I never thought of him as that lame, to be honest. I liked the roguish quality Whedon gave him. Goody-goody but not overwhelmingly dull about it.

Well see that's the whole thing, is he's not lame, he's amazingly driven and heroic.

He just ALSO makes everyone who has any kind of contact with him whatsoever hate him.

...or I mean, SHOULD

I liked the roguish quality Whedon gave him. Goody-goody but not overwhelmingly dull about it.

See I feel like roguishness is antithetical to Cyclops. He should be like, the anti-rogue. The kind of guy who compared to him Wolverine looks like a rogue, when Wolverine is like a gross stubby grody-smelling old-ass hairball of a troll.

That happened in an issue of HEROIC AGE: X-MEN.

Or like when Cyclops decided the best way to save San Francisco was to resurrect a threat to Britain (Dracula)? Or when he decides to throw any infant he finds into the future to be raised in some horrific way?

See nah, that's Cyclops just being all *****.

Proper Cyclops would be like, Cyclops comes up with a bad-ass, tactically brilliant plan to defeat the vampire invasion, and succeeds, and saves hundreds of thousands of lives.

And then acts like a huge ***** about it and makes everyone hate hate him.

 

[Dread]

Sometimes I think the X-Men have the same dilemma as the Inhumans; they complain about all the prejudice against them, yet at nearly every opportunity act like complete ***hats.

Cyclops was also the guy who decided to send home all the X-students who were depowered on M day, because it isn't like the X-Mansion is a school that wants to promote harmony between mutants and norms (and if it is, isn't interested in leading by example). In the name of safety. They're promptly bombed to death on a bus.

I actually like Cyclops, but these last few years, he's done some harsh stuff.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Heh, yeah, the idea of harmony between mutants and humans went out the window after M-Day. "S***, there's only 300 of us left? Screw you human-types, get off our lawn or we'll shoot you in your stupid, ugly, human faces!"

 

[fifthfiend]

Which is weird cause it was a mutant who ****ed them! If anything they should have been like "Whoa, mutants are dangerous as ****! We pretty much are a menace to the world!"

 

[Iron Man]

Or when he decides to throw any infant he finds into the future to be raised in some horrific way?

Give me one good reason why that is not solid parenting

 

[Dread]

Give me one good reason why that is not solid parenting

Cable.

 

[Iron Man]

Cable.

...Okay, you win.

 

[Hmarrs]

Captain Marvel.

 

[terry78]

Sometimes I think the X-Men have the same dilemma as the Inhumans; they complain about all the prejudice against them, yet at nearly every opportunity act like complete ***hats.

Cyclops was also the guy who decided to send home all the X-students who were depowered on M day, because it isn't like the X-Mansion is a school that wants to promote harmony between mutants and norms (and if it is, isn't interested in leading by example). In the name of safety. They're promptly bombed to death on a bus.

I actually like Cyclops, but these last few years, he's done some harsh stuff.

There was one issue or one animated series show that had someone tell them "you say people hate you because you're mutants, but maybe it's because it's the way you all act." Paraphrase, but I know I heard that somewhere.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Captain Marvel.

He gets tons of respect posthumously. You want to lament anyone's status in the Marvel family, look to his kids. Genis-Vell and Phyla-Vell both got colossally screwed over (although Phyla probably deserved it by the end).

 

[TimBisley]

I was gonna put Genis. I loved Peter David's run on that title, and hated that stupid stunt Jemas pulled toward the end of it.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Which stunt? I was talking about his ******ed time in New Thunderbolts.

 

[chiefchirpa]

- Wolverine (sometimes best remembered only for his multiple appearances)
- Cyclops (sometimes best known as *****ey incompetent leader)
- Comics Iron Man (not a true genius only a rich tech-user)
- Storm (trophy wife)

 

[TimBisley]

They had some contest where readers were supposed to vote on which title would survive, the titles being Jemas' Marville, Ron Zimmerman's Ultimate Adventures, and Peter David's Captain Marvel.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Machine Man has been used in the most recent Marvel Zombie series. Where they seemed to try and combine the NExtwave version (that I know fans didnt like) with the original. ANd despite not liking the first 2 MZ series the last 3 were pretty entertaining.

Two of the heroes I wanted to get props Darkhawk and Nova are finally getting their due, no they just have to do something with the Slingers.

I think they have done a much better job with Cyclops lately. Even Wolvie has kind of been deferring to him.

 

[bored]

People don't like the Nextwave version of Machine Man? I don't want to know those cold, joyless people.

 

[KangConquers]

That was The Kang Dynasty. Busiek's swan song on Avengers after he'd basically written the whole series up to that point.

The Kang Dynasty and Avengers Forever are the arcs that made Kang my favorite villain.

Speaking of disrespected characters, Kang might take the cake; after bringing the entire world to it's knees he was defeated by a bunch of teenagers, and is now saying "yessir, no sir" to Maestro, who Kang should pretty much be able to lay to waste, and being completely uncapable of beating Ultron, who again, Kang should be able to crush.

I really think that this arc was done by Bendis purely to bury the Kang character so that no one would ever want to use him again. He's gone from Avengers top villain to no one knowing/ caring about him after consistently being screwed by the Bendis/ Quesada brain trust.