DmC: Devil May Cry

[DarthSkywalker]

You can't say it is a brand new character when they are clearly referencing what came before and they are using that past brand to promote him. If it isn't the same guy why is he running around with a sword named Rebellion? Why is he part demon? Why does he have a twin brother named Vergil? Why is he fighting Mundus? Also there has been some clear acknowledgment of this. Remember this Dante was suppose to smoke? What happened to that again?

It feels like an attempt to be edgy for the sake of being edgy.

Also I have to question the gameplay at this point still. These are the makers of Heavenly Sword and Enslaved. I liked Enslaved, but both games really lacked in the gameplay department, especially if you compare it to DMC 3.

 

[Havok83]

You can't say it is a brand new character when they are clear referencing what came before and they are using that past brand to promote him. If it isn't the same guy why is he running around with a sword named Rebellion? Why is he part demon? Why does he have a twin brother named Vergil? Why is he fighting Mundus? Also there has been some clear acknowledgment of this. Remember this Dante was suppose to smoke? What happened to that again?

It feels like an attempt to be edgy for the sake of being edgy.

Also I have to question the gameplay at this point still. These are the makers of Heavenly Sword and Enslaved. I liked Enslaved, but both games really lacked in the gameplay department, especially if you compare it to DMC 3.

None of that stuff has anything storywise to do with the old series. If this is supposed to be the same Dante, then where does it fit into the timeline. Do you think this comes before Devil May Cry 1 and establishes how he got to that point?

As far as gameplay goes, this game looks nothing like HS and Enslaved. For one its alot faster and has a different battle system and there seems to be alot more depth to be found

 

[DarthSkywalker]

None of that stuff has anything storywise to do with the old series. If this is supposed to be the same Dante, then where does it fit into the timeline. Do you think this comes before Devil May Cry 1 and establishes how he got to that point?

As far as gameplay goes, this game looks nothing like HS and Enslaved. For one its alot faster and has a different battle system and there seems to be alot more depth to be found

I think you are missing my point.

If it isn't suppose to be the same character, why name him Dante and call the game Devil May Cry? Why include so many things already established in the original series? Take James Bond and the James Bond films as an example. This is like saying that Casino Royale, Never Say Never Again, and On Her Majesty's Secret Service are not about the same character.

James Bond is always James Bond. The timeline is irrelevant. You can make him rougher, tougher, or more of a ladies man, but it is always an interpretation of James Bond. It is the same when you take an existing franchise and its main character and then make another game out of it.

And I really don't think it looks fast in the DMC context. Dante's dodging looks quite slow, as does his transition from opponent to opponent. Maybe I spent too many hours playind DMD mode.

 

[zenith16]

lol that's the funny part you do know that there was a Casino Royale before the one Daniel crag did ? and it was done by an america actor, with a similar character to bonds name even though it was of the bond franchise and the brit's just went and did from Russia with love as the first bond film with after that event happened. it's true weird, But true. point is lot of these seem to do this with a franchise. it's why most of us put them in the category of alternate reality's. this is capcom do vover of the franchise cause they keapt hearing the franchise was a mess. it wasn't really as bad as they were lead to believe but that what you get with complaints like when raiden from Mgs was introduced. but he's in a better place cause kojima stuck with him it's too bad capcom didn't with the original franchise of DMC. but think of it as an alternate reality for now and it's not aimed at you. if it doesn't sell well capcom will have to re think thing's again.

 

[Havok83]

You are missing my point.

No I actually think you are but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one

lol that's the funny part you do know that there was a Casino Royale before the one Daniel crag did and it was don by america actor, even though it was of the bond franchise and the brit's just went and from russia with love as the first bond film with that happening. it's true weird but true.

James Bond changes from being a brunette to being blonde. Older gentleman to younger guy. Brit to American, etc...nowhere near the criticism as Dante getting a new look. His appearance isnt always consistent from actor to recast anyway

 

[DarthSkywalker]

lol that's the funny part you do know that there was a Casino Royale before the one Daniel crag did and it was don by america actor, even though it was of the bond franchise and the brit's just went and from russia with love as the first bond film with that happening. it's true weird but true.

Are you talking about the Sellers film?

 

[zenith16]

No I actually think you are but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one


James Bond changes from being a brunette to being blonde. Older gentleman to younger guy. Brit to American, etc...nowhere near the criticism as Dante getting a new look. His appearance isnt always consistent from actor to recast anyway

lol no no havok i mean there was a just an american version of that movie, that was about it but it wasn't really bond since it was an american character they were pushing there it's really obsure part of history movie wise but it happened just not alot of people know about that part. And why it was skipped by the brit's until the recent 2000's, they felt the same way darth feels now about it. to the point that it's looked over. any way as I said up top.

this is capcom's idea of a do over of the franchise cause they keapt hearing the franchise was a mess.(when it was actually only DMC 2 that was bad in that series) it wasn't really as bad as they were lead to believe. But that what you get with complaints like when raiden from Mgs was introduced. But he's in a better place cause kojima stuck with him. It's too bad capcom didn't with the original franchise of DMC. But think of it as an alternate reality for now and it's not aimed at you darth. If it doesn't sell well capcom will have to re think thing's again any way.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No I actually think you are but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one

I think that is completely unfair. From the very essence of the concept of "brand new" something that is an interpretation of existing material can not be so.

James Bond changes from being a brunette to being blonde. Older gentleman to younger guy. Brit to American, etc...nowhere near the criticism as Dante getting a new look. His appearance isnt always consistent from actor to recast anyway

Because Bond isn't created from scratch. Those are living, breathing people playing Bond in the films. Dante call look however you want him to, and seemingly this creative team has a big enough ego to make him look like one of them. What is most important about Bond however, is getting the character right. It is why some performances are called unBond like in the series. Dante's hair is far less important this his attitude. Craig's Bond still puns. He still partakes in the female form. He still likes his liquor and he still works for the British secret service.

But even still, plenty of criticism. Craig was lambasted as too short and too ugly. Think about that. They called a man too ugly to a play a film character. Dalton was so unappealing for so many as Bond, he only got to make two films. Don't even get me started on Lazenby.

And I just looked it up. That wasn't even a Bond film. That was a television special made a decade before Bond became a cinema phenom.

Make that now, and it would get killed for being a terrible adaptation of the character.

 

[zenith16]

Alot of people liked Lazenby bond though. I remember the raper common and a few others when they doinPierce Brosnan those looks backs on the history of bond movies they showed them talking about it and that movie was shown to have be the first potrail of bond to be seen as human with his first wife's death and bond being shattered a bit (but he recovered) and it was fallowed up on in the Pierce Brosnan movies of bond with him visiting her grave. ok we're really off topic.

 

[def28]

And I really don't think it looks fast in the DMC context. Dante's dodging looks quite slow, as does his transition from opponent to opponent. Maybe I spent too many hours playind DMD mode.

Agreed. I have not seen any of the crazy fast pace aciton like the older series. All the weapons look a bit slower too.

The whole auto lock thing doesnt look promising either. There has been zero display of combat that shows Ninas Theorys changes are an improvement. Too bad.

 

[zenith16]

That's funny the recent videos i put up of late they seem faster.

 

[Nathan]

Of everything I've seen so far, the only thing I like is that this reboot seems to have a better story focus. Still hate everything else.

 

[zenith16]

That I kinda agree with to a degree. I'm just giving a chance for now.

 

[def28]

That's funny the recent videos i put up of late they seem faster.

Compared to the original DMC games it seems quite a bit slower. Compared to other Ninja Theory DmC vids Ive seen it looks a bit quicker. I think it has to do with there weapon choices.

I hope to see better combat vids. Have yet to be impressed there. Level design still impressies me the most. Everything else has been meh, boring or seen it before and done better.

 

[Jick]

I never got this feeling that it is slower, and I played DMC3 to death. It seems just about the same, to me.

 

[Nathan]

Have they actually revealed some proper Devil Trigger Form, or is he still just turning white haired?

 

[zenith16]

It's white hair and he glows certain ways too and deals more damage. They said it'll l have more changes as you go on though, with both this games versions of demon and angle sides.

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Vergil's leading role in DmC: Devil May Cry

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Vergil, Dante's enigmatic twin brother, is back in DmC: Devil May Cry for a whole new era of demonic sibling rivalry. In the modern setting of Limbo City, Vergil is the boss of The Order, an organization tasked with battling the demons in control, and he recruits Dante to fight with him. This marks a new role for Vergil, tempered by familiar features.

"We tried to retain certain motifs that were essential to the character," Capcom producer Motohide Eshiro told Joystiq at Gamescom. "So he retains the silver hair, he retains the blue coloration of his outfit and the refinement of the character. Storyline-wise, as to how he may or may not interact directly with Dante and certain effects on gameplay, this is something we'll talk about at a later date. The biggest change, the visual, the way he interacts with the storyline, is quite different than what we've seen before. There's more to come; watch this space."

When we asked directly if Vergil would be a playable character in DmC, Eshiro laughed and said, motioning to the PR rep in the room, "No comment there, or else he'll have to murder us, I think."

The emphasis on Vergil's classic features was in no way a reactionary measure to fan backlash when Dante's new look was revealed, Eshiro said. Capcom and Ninja Theory had Vergil planned before the public saw Dante, and both teams knew exactly what they wanted then. Along with the traditional aspects of Vergil's appearance, the longstanding tension between him and Dante will play a part in DmC's story as well.

Dante's other, smaller companion in DmC, a psychic named Kat, has more to offer than advice on navigating Limbo City's demonic and earth-bound worlds, Eshiro said. She's not necessarily a love interest, but she does help Dante connect with deeper emotions than his initial rush of vengeance and anger.

As for any other cameos from classic Devil May Cry names, Eshiro said, "There are plenty of characters we haven't yet touched on. We're not ready to talk about what other characters are in the game just yet, but rest assured there will be some forthcoming news."

source: Joystiq

 

[Havok83]

I think that is completely unfair. From the very essence of the concept of "brand new" something that is an interpretation of existing material can not be so

Whats unfair is that you seem to be close minded about what they are doing with this. Its a reboot. Its not meant to be a contiuation of the old series. It obviously draws heavy inspiration from it, but its not the next tale in the old Dante's saga

Because Bond isn't created from scratch. Those are living, breathing people playing Bond in the films. Dante call look however you want him to, and seemingly this creative team has a big enough ego to make him look like one of them. What is most important about Bond however, is getting the character right. It is why some performances are called unBond like in the series. Dante's hair is far less important this his attitude. Craig's Bond still puns. He still partakes in the female form. He still likes his liquor and he still works for the British secret service.

Then for the sake of your argument, I think a better comparison woudlnt be a live action adaptation but rather another artistic work of art like lets say a comic character or game as you already brought up. Iwould liken this to something more like Link from A Legend of Zelda where he is not always portrayed or looks exactly the same from game to game but each shares alot of familiar and similar elements.

A comic example would be like looking at the regular 616 Marvel Universe and the Ultimate line. Again the Ultimate versions are based on the originals and many of the relationships, powers, origins, are similar but its a different take and the characters are considered different with the original's history not being a part of the Ultimate versions. The Ultimate FF are a good example of that. Reed is still a scientist, he's still romantically linked to Sue, still a stretcher, still leader of this group. However alot of that is superficial and the core of the character is different. Pretty much how Dante is in DmC

But even still, plenty of criticism. Craig was lambasted as too short and too ugly. Think about that. They called a man too ugly to a play a film character. Dalton was so unappealing for so many as Bond, he only got to make two films. Don't even get me started on Lazenby.

And people for the most part got over it after they saw him in action with Casino Royale getting positive reviews, doing well in the theaters and heralded by many as one of the best films of 2006. I dont think its fair to rule this game out and how Dante's portrayed without first playing through the title, because you know what? You just may end up surprised

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Whats unfair is that you seem to be close minded about what they are doing with this. Its a reboot. Its not meant to be a contiuation of the old series. It obviously draws heavy inspiration from it, but its not the next tale in the old Dante's saga

Then why call it brand new? That contradicts calling it brand new. If it was brand new, it would be a new brand. This is the same brand.

There would be no baggage if they just made another game and didn't stick DMC on it. But apparently the mandate from Capcom was to change him to simply change him. But you know, just stick the name on there because Ninja Theory's track record has been pretty dismal in terms of sales.

Then for the sake of your argument, I think a better comparison woudlnt be a live action adaptation but rather another artistic work of art like lets say a comic character or game as you already brought up. Iwould liken this to something more like Link from A Legend of Zelda where he is not always portrayed or looks exactly the same from game to game but each shares alot of familiar and similar elements.

That is the thing. Link is always the same! You couldn't have come up with a better argument for me. Link's characterization has been the same since you could tell what his face looks like in OoT. Even as these heroes are clearly different people now, they all share the same character traits and basic look.

In the look department Link is no different then Dante. The same basic look, with slight variation, especially in the main console releases.

A Caucasian male with yellow hair, a green tunic, green cap, main sword being a variation of the hero sword from OoT.

A comic example would be like looking at the regular 616 Marvel Universe and the Ultimate line. Again the Ultimate versions are based on the originals and many of the relationships, powers, origins, are similar but its a different take and the characters are considered different with the original's history not being a part of the Ultimate versions. The Ultimate FF are a good example of that. Reed is still a scientist, he's still romantically linked to Sue, still a stretcher, still leader of this group. However alot of that is superficial and the core of the character is different. Pretty much how Dante is in DmC

Comics are a bad example, as they have multiple books running concurrently, telling different stories being released in a rather short window.

Films make more sense because they are the same kind of investment as film. You don't get a new game every month from the same series. You get them every 2-3 years, like a film series.

And people for the most part got over it after they saw him in action with Casino Royale getting positive reviews, doing well in the theaters and heralded by many as one of the best films of 2006. I dont think its fair to rule this game out and how Dante's portrayed without first playing through the title, because you know what? You just may end up surprised

I am going to play the game. I like some of it. But Dante and the obvious distortion of the character bothers me and I haven't even played it yet. The second I saw the Casino Royale trailer I knew Craig was going to be good. Not so much with the trailers for this game.

 

[Havok83]

Then why call it brand new? That contradicts calling it brand new. If it was brand new, it would be a new brand. This is the same brand.

There would be no baggage if they just made another game and didn't stick DMC on it. But apparently the mandate from Capcom was to change him to simply change him. But you know, just stick the name on there because Ninja Theory's track record has been pretty dismal in terms of sales.

I think you are getting too hung up on semantics. Technically every entry in a gaming franchise is "brand new" unless its a remaster or port. This is a new interpretation on an existing franchise. Would you have preferred it had they named this guy Bob instead of Dante? If Ninja Theory developed the game exactly as they were, chaning his name and the title, would it really have made a big difference? People would be blasting it for being too similar to Devil May Cry with the obvious "clone" insult hurled at it

That is the thing. Link is always the same! You couldn't have come up with a better argument for me. Link's characterization has been the same since you could tell what his face looks like in OoT. Even as these heroes are clearly different people now, they all share the same character traits and basic look.

In the look department Link is no different then Dante. The same basic look, with slight variation, especially in the main console releases.

A Caucasian male with yellow hair, a green tunic, green cap, main sword being a variation of the hero sword from OoT.

Each Link isnt the same. Most of the Links are different characters from alternate timelines.

Comics are a bad example, as they have multiple books running concurrently, telling different stories being released in a rather short window.

Films make more sense because they are the same kind of investment as film. You don't get a new game every month from the same series. You get them every 2-3 years, like a film series.

I dont really think they are at least not for the argument being made.

 

[Nathan]

Each Link isnt the same. Most of the Links are different characters from alternate timelines.

He acknowledges they are different people. But they are all basically the same appearance-wise. There are no drastic changes.

 

[zenith16]

DmC Devil May Cry Footage Shows Multi-Weapon Combos, Cancelling And More

August 17, 2012 . 12:00pmNew play footage showing off how you can switch between different weapons during combos, cancelling, and talk of the possibilities for high-level play.

source:siliconera

 

[Havok83]

Capcom has revealed the box art for Ninja Theory’s upcoming Devil May Cry reboot. In a post on the Capcom Unity blog, senior community manager Chris Antista showed off the art for both the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions.



In addition, Antista revealed that customers who pre-order from Amazon will receive a Bone Pack that will “transform Dante’s shotgun, scythe and axe into precision crafted bone weapons.”

Amazon will also offer the Orb Harvester which allows players to “collect hoards of extra red orbs” to “upgrade and enhance Dante’s weapons and combo perks faster.” Amazon says that anyone who pre-orders will be eligible and that codes will be emailed to customers within two days of the game being shipped.



Devil May Cry will hit Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 on January 15th. A PC version is “well underway and scheduled for release later in 2013,” according to Capcom.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/08/17/devil-may-cry-box-art-pre-order-bonus-revealed

 

[zenith16]

hmmm I just read that on GI so it seems he can go even faster combo wise with this pre order bonus? wow I see that as causing trouble now that they announced it. (though I 'm sure in one of the video I put they said you move faste as you up grade)


The three weapons turning to bone? what will that do, effecting the enemy wise? unless it does something the normal version of those don't, I'm not sure their worth it. I'll have to think about this.

 

[Havok83]

hmmm I just read that on GI so it seems he can go even faster combo wise with this pre order bonus? wow I see that as causing trouble now that they announced it. (though I 'm sure in one of the video I put they said you move faste as you up grade)

He gets more orbs which allow him to upgrade his combo perks faster. Thats like a standard pre-order bonus for other games that give you extra XP/money for the equivalent effect