Do you believe in a higher power/God?

[gogetter0587]

athe·ism: a disbelief in the existence of deity b: the doctrine that there is no deity

Atheism has nothing to do with how the world began and makes no claim about whether or not we will know or what we can know.



The most logical way is to take a leap of illogical faith?



In relation to how the world got here I believe that no entity created it. Don't hash out semantics though. I have a lot of firm beliefs.

I believe in my friends, family, and loved ones.
I believe in my daughter.
I believe in justice and honor.
I believe in Harvey Dent.

Did you read what i said or?

i mean really i already told you that i was previously and still currently referring specifically to your lack of belief in how the world began and nothing to do with your family or a batman character.

You previously harped on the fact that moviefan picked and chose what he wanted to respond to and it seems you have fallen prey to the same.

 

[dark_b]

I think they do it because if you really think God loves you and cares for you in spite of all the crappy things you've done, it can feel a lot less lonely out there which can make recovery easier. I just don't think it should be forced. If you believe, great, if not, it won't be the reason you fail the program (if they do fail, I mean). I think a person can overcome addiction without the belief in a higher power, but for some, it helps to have that to hold on to.

i was more trying to show that a lot of people start beliving in GOD when they went through some bad time. illnes,prison,addicton,death in the family.
this is not fair to GOD if he is real.


its not fair to start beliving in GOD and going into church after your kid diead.

 

[Star]

Did you read what i said or?

i mean really i already told you that i was previously and still currently referring specifically to your lack of belief in how the world began and nothing to do with your family or a batman character.

You previously harped on the fact that moviefan picked and chose what he wanted to respond to and it seems you have fallen prey to the same.

Uh, he did answer that. In the post YOU just quoted. Read it over

 

[squeekness]

i was more trying to show that a lot of people start beliving in GOD when they went through some bad time. illnes,prison,addicton,death in the family.
this is not fair to GOD if he is real.


its not fair to start beliving in GOD and going into church after your kid diead.

Why not? Sometimes a tragedy can jolt a person into seeking something more. Discovering belief (of any religious kind) can happen at any given moment. God does not create the bad things that happen, but that doesn't mean he can't use those events to bring us closer to him. My quest into Christianity was jump started because of the movie The Passion of the Christ. Does that make it any less real? I don't think so. We can come to faith for a variety of reasons, no one worth more or less than any other.

 

[Eggyman]

Even if the guy really was a homosexual if this scenario is true than it is kind of disgusting no matter what because he had nine kids and then just up and left.

Going by your thoughts the guy should never have married a women in the first place and should most definitely not have had children much less nine and then up and leave them.

But that wasn't what we were discussing. Don't shift the topic. We were talking about if he was gay from birth or not.

 

[gogetter0587]

I know what Atheism is. Ok you do not attempt to know anything about how the world began because no one will ever know.

The most logical way to believe in my opinion is that God created the world, It is just to darn intricate for there not to be a creator.

Otherwise you believe in nothing ( in relation to how the world got here)

athe·ism: a disbelief in the existence of deity b: the doctrine that there is no deity

Atheism has nothing to do with how the world began and makes no claim about whether or not we will know or what we can know.



The most logical way is to take a leap of illogical faith?



In relation to how the world got here I believe that no entity created it. Don't hash out semantics though. I have a lot of firm beliefs.

I believe in my friends, family, and loved ones.
I believe in my daughter.
I believe in justice and honor.
I believe in Harvey Dent.

 

[Saint]

people aren't born gay otherwise there wouldn't be any switches. I knew a guy in his fifties who was married and had nine kids, he eventually divorced his wife and became homosexual.

Apparently someone has never heard of "Denial."

 

[Eggyman]

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"I believe that no entity created it"

I think that puts it plainly. This is a higher power thread, so if he believes that no higher power created it, then the rest is off-topic.

 

[dark_b]

Why not? Sometimes a tragedy can jolt a person into seeking something more. Discovering belief (of any religious kind) can happen at any given moment. God does not create the bad things that happen, but that doesn't mean he can't use those events to bring us closer to him. My quest into Christianity was jump started because of the movie The Passion of the Christ. Does that make it any less real? I don't think so. We can come to faith for a variety of reasons, no one worth more or less than any other.

because it has a lot to do with the wrong reason

desperation. this is what its all about at that time. those people are desperate.


when you dont need god he doesnt exist. when you need him you ask him for help?

 

[gogetter0587]

But that wasn't what we were discussing. Don't shift the topic. We were talking about if he was gay from birth or not.

well you kind of did that when you said that he was pressured by society into having 9 children

 

[regwec]

http://www.atheistbus.org.uk/ "There's probably no god now stop worrying and start enjoying your life."

Too me that seems pretty forceful.

It is.

I don't know a lot of reason

Much reason, or a lot of reasons?

that atheist would want to evanglize in this manner.

Which atheist? Or do you mean atheists in general?

Because atheists are compassionate people who do not want their fellow human beings to live lives of blinkered, opressive ignorance, obviously. The message is one of liberation.

Discussing religion seriously for the purpose of education is great, but to take out signage to talk about atheism... Seems kinda stupid actually.

Rubbish. There is no need to take religion seriously. It it because people who ought to know better have pretended to take it seriously for so long (generally to avoid causing offence) that the gullible and mentally ill have remained in its thrall for so long.

Religion should be mocked, because it is superficial fantasy that is taken too seriously by its admirers.

 

[gogetter0587]

"I believe that no entity created it"

I think that puts it plainly. This is a higher power thread, so if he believes that no higher power created it, then the rest is off-topic.

the rest is off topic, the stuff he started adding about harvey dent is off topic i agree

 

[Majic Walrus]

Did you read what i said or?

i mean really i already told you that i was previously and still currently referring specifically to your lack of belief in how the world began and nothing to do with your family or a batman character.

You previously harped on the fact that moviefan picked and chose what he wanted to respond to and it seems you have fallen prey to the same.

Firstly, lighten up. Secondly, you weren't necessarily always talking about my lack of belief. You were talking about atheism. For instance here:

I know what Atheism is. Ok you do not attempt to know anything about how the world began because no one will ever know.

Belief about the creation or existence of the universe has NOTHING to do with atheism. Which I explained.

athe·ism: a disbelief in the existence of deity b: the doctrine that there is no deity

Not having a conclusion or belief that I've jumped to about the nature of the origin of the universe has NOTHING to do with me being an atheist or with atheism.

 

[Eggyman]

well you kind of did that when you said that he was pressured by society into having 9 children

I was giving a reason as to why he might have lived a life for 50 years that went against his sexual desires. But the subject we discussed had nothing to do with if it was morally right to do so.

 

[Eggyman]

the rest is off topic, the stuff he started adding about harvey dent is off topic i agree

... OK

 

[gogetter0587]

It is.


Much reason, or a lot of reasons?


Which atheist? Or do you mean atheists in general?

Because atheists are compassionate people who do not want their fellow human beings to live lives of blinkered, opressive ignorance, obviously. The message is one of liberation.



Rubbish. There is no need to take religion seriously. It it because people who ought to know better have pretended to take it seriously for so long (generally to avoid causing offence) that the gullible and mentally ill have remained in its thrall for so long.

Religion should be mocked, because it is superficial fantasy that is taken too seriously by its admirers.

Moviefan in bizarro world

Firstly, lighten up. Secondly, you weren't necessarily always talking about my lack of belief. You were talking about atheism. For instance here:



Belief about the creation or existence of the universe has NOTHING to do with atheism. Which I explained.



Not having a conclusion or belief that I've jumped to about the nature of the origin of the universe has NOTHING to do with me being an atheist or with atheism.

I understand as i previously stated what atheism is.

I was giving a reason as to why he might have lived a life for 50 years that went against his sexual desires. But the subject we discussed had nothing to do with if it was morally right to do so.

I understand , you however are trying to say that it is logical for a guy to have lived 50 years and all of his years with sexual desires for men was not only married to a women but had 9 children with her just to mask his desire to have relations with men?

I understand , you however are trying to say that it is logical for a guy to have lived 50 years and all of his years with sexual desires for men was not only married to a women but had 9 children with her just to mask his desire to have relations with men?

Also i find it very hard to understand someone who claims to be bi-sexual?

Can anyone explain that?

 

[regwec]

Moviefan in bizarro world

In what respect? Movie Fan is clearly misguided; I hope that I manage to make my idiocy less clear. Or is that the point?

I find the Bizarro concept pretty confusing. If Bizarro is an opposite, why is he actually so similar?

 

[Star]

Moviefan in bizarro world

True enough.

No matter what, when people post things that are meant to deliberately offend or hurt someone-- I loose a lot of respect for them.

I didn't respect Moviefan and nor will I respect anyone who deliberately tries to offend Christians.

 

[regwec]

I am expressing my view entirely legitimately- it might offend some people, but that isn't my intention. I think that all doctrinal systems that work on mythology and social engineering, whether political or spiritual, are bad. I have massive sympathy for those that are clamped in those sorts of psychological fetters. I find it inhuman.

 

[Eggyman]

I understand , you however are trying to say that it is logical for a guy to have lived 50 years and all of his years with sexual desires for men was not only married to a women but had 9 children with her just to mask his desire to have relations with men?

No.

There is nothing logical when it comes to attraction.

Have you ever heard of gay people being 'in the closet'? It isn't that uncommon... and this could be just a extreme case of that.

 

[gogetter0587]

I am expressing my view entirely legitimately- it might offend some people, but that isn't my intention. I think that all doctrinal systems that work on mythology and social engineering, whether political or spiritual, are bad. I have massive sympathy for those that are clamped in those sorts of psychological fetters. I find it inhuman.

basically you were saying VERY similar stuff as movie fan just about in an exact opposite way(meaning him being from a chrisitan stand point and you being from an atheist ). The above highlighted portion is probably something that could be found in this thread nearly word for word with something moviefan posted. I would be willing to bet he feels the exact same as
I am expressing my view entirely legitimately- it might offend some people, but that isn't my intention

 

[The Senator]

excuse me, but that was NOT, I repeat, NOT what moviefan was saying. NOWHERE did he EVER wish death upon those who struggle with homosexuality.

He said those things because he was worried about the state of the soul of these people on here, just like I am... God does hate sin. He is disgusted by it, and His Word says "for the wages of sin is death". than means any sin, no matter if it be favoritism, lust, cheating, lying, stealing, homosexuality, coveting, adultery, idolatry... to God, ALL of these are punishable by death in the Lake of Fire, which is the Second death.

but He doesn't want us to be punished... He doesn't want us to experience that punishment, so He let Christ become the Ultimate Sacrifice. ALL sins, excluding one, can be and are forgiven, and I assure you, homosexuality is not the unforgivable sin.

Homosexuality, like almost every other sin, is, yes, punishable by death, in God's eyes... it's the honest truth, and it sucks, yes, but God, in His Love and Wisdom, provided a way out of that punishment... I struggled with this sin when I was younger, and I was sexually abused as a childand it played a part in it, but I can definitely say that one can be cleansed from it, and forgiven, and no longer be appointed unto wrath.

All of these people can say what they want, but bella, HR... nowhere did he ever say He wanted death upon any sexually confused individual... i suggest do yourselves a favor and actually go ask him what he meant... he loves God with his heart, and I guarantee you he won't lie to you on this subject.

bella, HR, both of you have only heard one side of this entire conversation... and I 100% guarantee you, that there is another force at work here that doesn't want him here, and i'm not talking about jman, or gilpesh, or star, or any human being on this forum

the best thing any person can do is tell someone else the truth... but the truth is not always going to be sugar coated and taste good, especially if you're doing something wrong. Hopefully, Most of you can attest to that in your own life

take the time and actually read what moviefan has been saying all this time, HR/bella... maybe God will open up your own heart and show you something you didn't see before, because nowhere... absolutely nowhere... did moviefan ever suggest that he wanted gays to die... I know I most certainly don't want them to.

This is comedy gold. I'm going to print it out and frame it

 

[gogetter0587]

No.

There is nothing logical when it comes to attraction.

Have you ever heard of gay people being 'in the closet'? It isn't that uncommon... and this could be just a extreme case of that.

therefore having 9 children with a women seems to me like that man was attracted to her for quite some time.

 

[Majic Walrus]

the rest is off topic, the stuff he started adding about harvey dent is off topic i agree

This is a comic book forum. Regardless of the actual topic I made a joke because I'm in the company of comic book people who will get my joke. Mr. talking-about-bizzaro-world-is-okay-but-not-the-dark-knight.

Moviefan in bizarro world

Which atheist? Or do you mean atheists in general?

I meant atheists in general.

Because atheists are compassionate people who do not want their fellow human beings to live lives of blinkered, opressive ignorance, obviously. The message is one of liberation.

Not all atheists are compassionate people.

Rubbish. There is no need to take religion seriously. It it because people who ought to know better have pretended to take it seriously for so long (generally to avoid causing offence) that the gullible and mentally ill have remained in its thrall for so long.

Not to take it seriously but to seriously discuss it for the purpose of making sure that as many people know as much about religion as possible. I think the more people know the less they will be blindly follow religion.

Religion should be mocked, because it is superficial fantasy that is taken too seriously by its admirers.

Harsh.

Also i find it very hard to understand someone who claims to be bi-sexual?

Can anyone explain that?

They **** girls and guys.

 

[The Senator]

I know what Atheism is. Ok you do not attempt to know anything about how the world began because no one will ever know.

The most logical way to believe in my opinion is that God created the world, It is just to darn intricate for there not to be a creator.

Otherwise you believe in nothing ( in relation to how the world got here)

Or people believe in scientific processes and theories, rather than believing that a magical, omnipotent being no one has ever seen has created the universe and involved us all in a complex, ridiculous plan for the entire universe.