Do you want the X-Men in the MCU?

[spider-neil]

No.

A universe that loves heroes but hates mutants makes NO SENSE.

 

[Mad Ones]

Fox is on fire with the X-men and Deadpool. Jubilee and Deadpool can match anything Marvel has done in terms of comic faithfulness (look-wise). FF is another story. It might be a good movie, but the comic book tone doesn't fit the mood of what Fox has created (unfortunately for FF fans).

 

[def28]

No.

A universe that loves heroes but hates mutants makes NO SENSE.

Minus the X-Men themselves it makes complete sense. Never understood this debate. Since anyone can be born a mutant and there are tons of them this causes a much more significant worry. Magneto alone gives mutants a bad name, and a reason for humans to fear them.

Put the allegory aside, the majority of mutants are born to eventually have powers as weapons. Why would anyone want their kid or loved one around someone who can't use their power? If they are not apart of a well known trained police force superhero team like X-Men, Avengers or Justice League and capable of massive desctruction/death this is a major issue no? They can potentially read their mind/ kill them by accident. These guys are primed for battle without the know how of control, until they seek proper help. This causes an instant threat to the world and everyday people. Even the good ones have issues with touch, burning and exploding that they cannot control or even know about.

If the X-Men go around helping and saving people in the public light like The Avengers then sure, there is no reason to fear them. But the X-Men name would be what gets the love. Of course there will always be prejudice, just like in the real world. Hero's in general have their problem with the public enough as it is. Even Avengers are afraid of the Hulk who is one of their own, and the media loves to feed on turning the tables just like JJJ does with Spider-Man. "He's a Menace"!!!!

Marvel is focusing on Inhumans with SKYE, and all these ideals that worked with mutants storylines are on AOS right now. They go against her and even some of the members want her dead/away from them for what she bacame. And it worked more then fine, actually made the show better. It's a very easy notion. They are different, extremely dangerous, cannot control their "gifts", SHIELD has the "we don't understand you" pov and essentially know that they have an army.

 

[starscream22]

No.

A universe that loves heroes but hates mutants makes NO SENSE.

Considering the whole Civil War arc they're moving forward with which is likely due to the backlash of the Hulk v Ironman battle this comment really makes no sense. H3ll Ultron was Ironman and the Hulks fault!

Even the Marvel TV shows have Daredevil being a wanted vigilante and SHIELD and Hydra looking to capture anything with powers. And since MCU Spider-man wont likely have any luck with media why wouldn't the X-men fit again?

 

[Pink Ranger]

No.

A universe that loves heroes but hates mutants makes NO SENSE.

Pretty much what I was going to say. In a comic book universe, you can expound at length on the distinction between mutants and mutates, but for a film universe it won't make any sense.

 

[zlucamanz]

No.

A universe that loves heroes but hates mutants makes NO SENSE.

Agree let's mutant have brand new colorful costume and let them join avengers and people will forget mutant part and praise them like other heroes.

 

[Codex Tesseract]

No.

A universe that loves heroes but hates mutants makes NO SENSE.

Well, Civil War is supposedly about public backlash from property damage from all superhumans and an attempt to license and authorize superheroes as official government agents.

From that point forward there would be a shift in policy to "don't ask, don't tell" meaning unless you plan to go around fighting crime keep your superpowers to yourself.

 

[psylockolussus]

No.

A universe that loves heroes but hates mutants makes NO SENSE.

Yeah I couldnt agree more with that!

 

[Codex Tesseract]

No.

A universe that loves heroes but hates mutants makes NO SENSE.

Yeah, except it does, for the exact same reason people who want Gitmo left open would never vote to have the prisoners moved to their state, or why you want a homeless shelter, just not in your backyard.

Superheroes represent circumstantial flukes and they're in the open and clearly identified. Mutants are your next door neighbor, or even someone living in your house, and they're everywhere.

 

[def28]

Pretty much what I was going to say. In a comic book universe, you can expound at length on the distinction between mutants and mutates, but for a film universe it won't make any sense.

Your cutting audiences way too short.

Hulk creates fear, Spider-Man pisses people off, Batman creates fear, Daredevil creates fear. Not all hero's are liked and plenty are feared until proven safe by the press or first hand accounts.

Mutants can't control their powers, they need guidance. There are tons of them and not all of them are hero's which causes concern. It's not a insanely difficult concept to understand in any sense. And again, it's one that Marvel is already exploring that will be pushed more...[YT]wBJ2JBclXbo[/YT]

Why would the world act in favor to mutants when characters like Magneto are the ones getting the media attention? Or characters like Rogue are accidnently draining the ones they care about. Only the X-Men would get attention when they are shown saving people, and that would be given the media wants to portray them that way. The rest are gonna be looked at as dangerous. Just like if a group of powered Aliens showed up or if Inhumans do it would create prejudice. As well as people who are in favor of them.

The best argument for not including the X-Men is just that they don't need the MCU, and vice versa.

Yeah I couldnt agree more with that!

Yet your begging to see them in a world with 4 celebrity heroes.

The one interesting thing about that is actually showing why one side is loved and the other not.

 

[starscream22]

Your cutting audiences way too short.

Hulk creates fear, Spider-Man pisses people off, Batman creates fear, Daredevil creates fear. Not all hero's are liked and plenty are feared until proven safe by the press or first hand accounts.

Mutants can't control their powers, they need guidance. There are tons of them and not all of them are hero's which causes concern. It's not a insanely difficult concept to understand in any sense. And again, it's one that Marvel is already exploring that will be pushed more...[YT]wBJ2JBclXbo[/YT]

Why would the world act in favor to mutants when characters like Magneto are the ones getting the media attention? Or characters like Rogue are accidnently draining the ones they care about. Only the X-Men would get attention when they are shown saving people, and that would be given the media wants to portray them that way. The rest are gonna be looked at as dangerous. Just like if a group of powered Aliens showed up or if Inhumans do it would create prejudice. As well as people who are in favor of them.

The best argument for not including the X-Men is just that they don't need the MCU, and vice versa.


Yet your begging to see them in a world with 4 celebrity heroes.

The one interesting thing about that is actually showing why one side is loved and the other not.

It's amazing how easily they co-sign one another without actually thinking it though first.

The day Marvel gets F4 and X-men back will be a wonderful day indeed. Can't except anything less at this point.

 

[eon001]

If Feige isn't careful he's going to let his fanboyism get in the way of a relatively stable and consistent MCU. Now is not the time for X-men, (or even Spiderman imo) in the MCU. Keep them where they are and stick to developing the current slate. Inhumans, Black Panther, Captain Marvel etc.

 

[Shikamaru]

The idea behind mutants is that humans risk extinction at the rise of a newly emerging subspecies. Except if there was such species on the rise, certains organizations like SHIELD would have known by now. They would have at least had some private meetings about it, especially given the paranoia brought by aliens and superpowers post-TA. We do know they kept track of superhumans worldwide, but there still doesn't seem to be any evidence point to an X-gene.

To complicate matters further, the Inhumans have started to adopt a lot of the thematic ideas that were once a staple of the X-Men. I suspect this'll continue further once the Terrigen Mist spreads globally.

As such, there's only three ways I can see them incorporating the X-Men when they get the rights back:

1. Intentionally retcon specific aspects of the MCU continuity.
2. Let the MCU age via real time, and that would explain why mutants only show up in the 2020's or 2030's (or whenever the rights revert).
3. Alter the origin of the X-Men.

To be honest, none of those options sound ideal to me.

 

[def28]

It's amazing how easily they co-sign one another without actually thinking it though first.

Oh I'm sure there's some completely illogical excuse on how it only is acceptable with X-Men and F4 haha.

I really don't care which studio does the movies, as long as they are good. Imo DOFP is better than any of the MCU movies. X-Men 2 is as good as Winter Soldier. I wouldn't mind a deal that would allow characters to cross-over. Like Wolverine doing a cameo in a Avengers movie, that would be really cool. I guess one day it would be fine for Disney to have the X-Men rights, but that day isn't anywhere near.

Honestly though, i find it really disrespectful how some fans talk about Fox and Singer. They paved the way for MCU. There would be no Age of Ultron if Fox hadn't made superhero movies mainstream again. You like them or not, it would be good to have some respect for the origins of CBM genre as we know it.

Fox has a bad rep because of a terrible run of films. It's taken time to get out of that mess and outside of the F4 rumors they have done so impressively.

As far as Singer and fans. Have you seen all the crap Whedon has gotten? Fandom is insane now and cause of social media it's gotten even easier for *******s to get their opinion laced with brutal insults out. Snyder, Nolan, Singer and Whedon all have people bashing the crap out of them everyday. The majority are more then happy that Singer is back, but he's not gonna get some special treatment regardless of what films he has made. Not the way fandom works.

No one is gonna get left in the clear once films get this popular. Eventually a section of fandom pops up and has issues. Now that there's heavy studio competition that just adds to it. These boards themselves are obsessed with VS polls and forums...and it always ends the same.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Your cutting audiences way too short.

Hulk creates fear, Spider-Man pisses people off, Batman creates fear, Daredevil creates fear. Not all hero's are liked and plenty are feared until proven safe by the press or first hand accounts.

Mutants can't control their powers, they need guidance. There are tons of them and not all of them are hero's which causes concern. It's not a insanely difficult concept to understand in any sense. And again, it's one that Marvel is already exploring that will be pushed more...

I think that's true. I'd also point out that no character in the MCU so far accidentally got their powers (although Banner didn't expect the results). Peter Parker will be the first and he's historically been unpopular with the public. On top of that, the X-Men didn't just get their powers through a tragic accident that may be worthy of pity (which will mollify the desire to fear them). Instead, they got it from birth through a genetic quirk that some claim mean they have a right to surpass homo sapiens. There's a natural tendency to associate with mutants with the mutant terrorists who claim that. They have a special unified heritage that connects them together like race or sexual orientation (as the comics have used mutanthood as an analogy for).

If Feige isn't careful he's going to let his fanboyism get in the way of a relatively stable and consistent MCU. Now is not the time for X-men, (or even Spiderman imo) in the MCU. Keep them where they are and stick to developing the current slate. Inhumans, Black Panther, Captain Marvel etc.

Well, he's not going to get the choice with the X-Men, so it's a moot point. We disagree on Spider-Man but, either way, I hope we both agree that Spider-Man doesn't have the same broad cast of characters as the entire X-Men universe (and Spider-Man doesn't have the same complications that mutants bring*), which makes integration into the MCU less complicated (it also made a Spider-Verse seem less fruitful and more likely to lead to stupid Aunt May movies).

* The biggest complication that never felt right was J. Jonah Jameson. He seemed to hate Spider-Man with a passion, but his reasons for hating them should apply to many superheroes who never got the same acknowledged hate from Jameson (every time Jameson hated Daredevil, it felt weird, although he had just as much reason to hate him).

 

[Shikamaru]

The Spider-Man phobia will make sense given he'll be the first public superhero to fully be masked and act as a street vigilante (Daredevil is mostly in the shadows), whereas the Avengers are public, fight on a grander scale and are more approved within higher political circles.

 

[Flint Marko]

The Spider-Man phobia will make sense given he'll be the first public superhero to fully be masked and act as a street vigilante (Daredevil is mostly in the shadows), whereas the Avengers are public, fight on a grander scale and are more approved within higher political circles.

That's a good thought. They can play that up really well.

 

[zlucamanz]

nah,The Spider-Man phobia is parker's (bad)luck.
i just hope J. Jonah Jameson got his delevopment like ultimatum admit that himself wrong about spider-man all this time.his hate toward spider-man to no end just getting annoying over the time.

 

[Chance Jackson]

NO!!!!!!
Separate movie universe, separate studios, seperate slate
I wish Sony took their chance and left spidey out of Marvels's grasp

 

[def28]

They did take their chance. Two actually. It's called Amazing Spider-Man. Audiences didn't respond well enough, and Sony is in a position where they have to make these movies regardless. They can't keep rebooting with where the reception has been post Spider-Man 2.

Sony just wasn't able to pick back up on their own, they took a huge hit the past year for the studio in general. Unlike Fox and X-Men, which now has an expanded universe lined up for next year with two very well received films post X3.

 

[Protar]

The idea behind mutants is that humans risk extinction at the rise of a newly emerging subspecies. Except if there was such species on the rise, certains organizations like SHIELD would have known by now. They would have at least had some private meetings about it, especially given the paranoia brought by aliens and superpowers post-TA. We do know they kept track of superhumans worldwide, but there still doesn't seem to be any evidence point to an X-gene.

To complicate matters further, the Inhumans have started to adopt a lot of the thematic ideas that were once a staple of the X-Men. I suspect this'll continue further once the Terrigen Mist spreads globally.

As such, there's only three ways I can see them incorporating the X-Men when they get the rights back:

1. Intentionally retcon specific aspects of the MCU continuity.
2. Let the MCU age via real time, and that would explain why mutants only show up in the 2020's or 2030's (or whenever the rights revert).
3. Alter the origin of the X-Men.

To be honest, none of those options sound ideal to me.

It'll be option 3 Imo. As in the X-men will be Inhumans (Not Royal Family but ordinary citizens of earth who have undergone terrigenesis) I'm pretty convinced that no matter what rights reverse the term mutant will never be in widespread use in the MCU. The characters have value, but the name is just a name.

 

[Milla4Prez66]

I don't want the X-Men in the MCU, they fit better by themselves. It just doesn't make sense how people hate and fear Wolverine but love Spider-Man and Thor within the same universe.

The Fantastic Four is a different story though, mainly because I want to see the Avengers take on Galactus. It's the only way they can top Thanos in Infinity War.

 

[def28]

I'm really surprised how fast people started hating Whedon. Only few weeks ago he was treated as pretty much invaluable, but now people are glad he is going away. AoU isn't even a bad movie, it's good.

Agreed. Outside the net which is mainly positive itself, I've heard nothing but love for the film. But sadly, the harsh vocal minority and click bait articles get all the attention nowadays. People want controversy.

With Bats, Civil War and Apocalypse next year it's gonna get bad. Sucks cause pretty much everything fans want to see will be on the screen within the next 5 years. We didn't have anything near this 10 years ago.

It'll be option 3 Imo. As in the X-men will be Inhumans (Not Royal Family but ordinary citizens of earth who have undergone terrigenesis) I'm pretty convinced that no matter what rights reverse the term mutant will never be in widespread use in the MCU. The characters have value, but the name is just a name.

Nah. If the X-Men were ever at Marvel they would want to separate them in order to make it another brand they can sell. Too much money there. They wouldn't want them getting confused with Inhumans at that point. They would have to be two distinct properties.

 

[starscream22]

Honestly though, i find it really disrespectful how some fans talk about Fox and Singer. They paved the way for MCU.

I'm sorry were they not paid for their "contributions"? This excuse is tired and never changes anyones opinion one way or the other. They got paid for their movies back then so we don't owe them our first born... MCU is the new golden age of CBM's. Fox and Sony and WB wouldn't be on the "Cinematic Universe" bandwagon if they weren't.

And for the record QS and SW's power origin or who their parents were was never explained. So eventually Mutants could be integrated into the MCU the same way the Inhumans were just name dropped to SHIELD on Agents of SHIELD yesterday.

And just because some think that Fox-men is better than the MCU's line-up whatever doesn't mean that Marvel can't actually make a far better one.

It's not like any other studio has had a chance and failed so REVERT BACK TO MARVEL!

 

[Protar]

Nah. If the X-Men were ever at Marvel they would want to separate them in order to make it another brand they can sell. Too much money there. They wouldn't want them getting confused with Inhumans at that point. They would have to be two distinct properties.

I doubt it. At this point Inhumans serve exactly the same purpose in the MCU as Mutants do in the comics - ordinary civilians who have superpowers activated as a result of their ancestors being experimented on by aliens/higher beings. You simply can't introduce mutants into the MCU any more without it seeming completely redundant. No matter what rights revert it's pointless. The name mutant is just a name. It's the characters who are important, and Marvel isn't going to have two separate groups with identical backstories. There are plenty of ways to differentiate the Inhuman and (potential) X-men franchises aside from shoe-horning in the term mutant.