Do you want the X-Men in the MCU?

[CyclopsWasRight]

I really don't care which studio does the movies, as long as they are good. Imo DOFP is better than any of the MCU movies. X-Men 2 is as good as Winter Soldier. I wouldn't mind a deal that would allow characters to cross-over. Like Wolverine doing a cameo in a Avengers movie, that would be really cool. I guess one day it would be fine for Disney to have the X-Men rights, but that day isn't anywhere near.

Honestly though, i find it really disrespectful how some fans talk about Fox and Singer. They paved the way for MCU. There would be no Age of Ultron if Fox hadn't made superhero movies mainstream again. You like them or not, it would be good to have some respect for the origins of CBM genre as we know it.

Here's an article about it.
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/how-x-men-paved-the-way-for-the-avengers-117791520122.html?soc_src=unv-sh&soc_trk=fb&fb_ref=Default

I don't want the X-Men in the MCU, they fit better by themselves. It just doesn't make sense how people hate and fear Wolverine but love Spider-Man and Thor within the same universe.

The Fantastic Four is a different story though, mainly because I want to see the Avengers take on Galactus. It's the only way they can top Thanos in Infinity War.

This is sonething ive seen a fair bit. People whove even said they don't care about FF they just want the villains in the MCU

Indeed and that's really annoying. I'm crazy excited about every single one of those movies, but i'm not excited for the crapstorm that's about to hit.

Feel the same. Wish people didn't war so much. We're getting good movies from all sides yet fans often can't just like one without bashing the others.

But sadly, the harsh vocal minority and click bait articles get all the attention nowadays. People want controversy.

Same with F4.

 

[Flint Marko]

I'm really surprised how fast people started hating Whedon. Only few weeks ago he was treated as pretty much invaluable, but now people are glad he is going away. AoU isn't even a bad movie, it's good.

The Whedon "hate" is overblown, much in the same way the IM3 "hate" was. Outside of a few fanboys, the vast majority loves IM3 and what Whedon did in AoU, it's just a small, sad vocal minority that ruin the rest for everyone else. Every fan base has them.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

It really isn't about having an opinion, it's about accepting the fact that the root of these movies and their success comes from Fox. From people like Singer and the producers who thought CBM's could be popular again and taken seriously.

Anyway i'm having hard time understanding your point about opinions. So what you are saying is, even though people might prefer an X-Men movie to a MCU movie, they are wrong because they disagree with you because it's a "fact" that the movies you like are better?

Sounds right.

 

[starscream22]

It really isn't about having an opinion, it's about accepting the fact that the root of these movies and their success comes from Fox. From people like Singer and the producers who thought CBM's could be popular again and taken seriously.

Anyway i'm having hard time understanding your point about opinions. So what you are saying is, even though people might prefer an X-Men movie to a MCU movie, they are wrong because they disagree with you because it's a "fact" that the movies you like are better?

No shock there....

But since you kinda asked. I think most would aggree comic book wise that "X-men" have been arguably the best Marvel franchise, it has the best Marvel characters save for maybe Spider-man but as a Team they're far more popular than Avengers were. So by right X-men should've been doing somewhere between Spider-man (Raimi) and Dark Knight's numbers over a decade ago. And why they haven't is because Singer and Company have done more damage to X-men characters throughout the years than good. So be sure to add that in when arguing the "root of Fox's success" since Singer's critics can't possibly tarnish a rusty blade.

Ever since Marvel Studios started making movies we've been basically comparing B, C an D List Marvel characters to what should be mostly an A List of characters that Fox can't seem to get right save for Wolverine, Magneto, Charles and maybe 1 or 2 others.

And since most would say that Daredevils new show is far better than both of Logan's 2 solo movies that's pretty much my point here.

On paper a F4 film should NOT be neck and neck with an Ant-man film no matter how good the potential of an Ant-man film may be yet here it is Fox's crappy looking rights grab is trailing behind Ant-man considerably.

Which is Fox's fault not mine so making it seem like it's just my "unfair" bias or hate that's in question here in order to justify your own opinion is irrelevant when Singer felt it necessary to erase 2/3's of those X-films in the first place....

 

[starscream22]

Sounds right.

Yeah just like that 1% argument.

Biggest flaw in that logic is that we (You and I for example) will both pay to see most MCU films (sometimes twice) but only YOU will support Fox-men or Fake4 therefor it'll never be worthy. t:

 

[psylockolussus]

Yet your begging to see them in a world with 4 celebrity heroes.

The one interesting thing about that is actually showing why one side is loved and the other not.

Oh I'm sure there's some completely illogical excuse on how it only is acceptable with X-Men and F4 haha.

And you kept forgetting what I said before about dimension traveling especially when we had this discussion before in the X-Men threads haha too that right? Dimension travel will be showcased in the Fantastic Four film and with that a cross-over with the X-Men would be limited and you won't have the people asking where is the other team every time the other one is having a big battle.

And you have yet to give a way how would Fox's X-Men cross-over with the current MCU without making it look forced and unlike me, you didn't bring up dimension travel.

 

[psylockolussus]

It really isn't about having an opinion, it's about accepting the fact that the root of these movies and their success comes from Fox. From people like Singer and the producers who thought CBM's could be popular again and taken seriously.

Who got Kevin Feige's first gig as an executive producer in a Marvel film? Lauren Shuler Donner, producer of all X-Men films.

Yeah Fox's Marvel movies had no impact. Lets not give Fox credit shall we?

 

[starscream22]

Who got Kevin Feige's first gig as an executive producer in a Marvel film? Lauren Shuler Donner, producer of all X-Men films.

Yeah Fox's Marvel movies had no impact. Lets not give Fox credit shall we?

(Sigh.....) All that means is that Fox didn't listen to Feige as much as they should have back then. So what's fair exchange for a job referral at Fox in your opinion? A soul...? Sacrificing a pet under a 4stic poster...?

Fox doesn't want "credit" they want MONEY! And I'm not giving them anymore of my money, they got plenty from 2000-2008 so if that's not enough then feel free to donate a kidney to them on my behalf if you're so righteous.

Me I just prefer supporting the Studios making CBM's who actually gets it. And from day one that's been Marvel Studio's.

 

[def28]

I doubt it. At this point Inhumans serve exactly the same purpose in the MCU as Mutants do in the comics - ordinary civilians who have superpowers activated as a result of their ancestors being experimented on by aliens/higher beings. You simply can't introduce mutants into the MCU any more without it seeming completely redundant. No matter what rights revert it's pointless. The name mutant is just a name. It's the characters who are important, and Marvel isn't going to have two separate groups with identical backstories. There are plenty of ways to differentiate the Inhuman and (potential) X-men franchises aside from shoe-horning in the term mutant.

I agree there which is why I don't see any scenario where using the term mutant is an issue. It's not as big of a deal as your leading on. Agree to disagree.

And you kept forgetting what I said before about dimension traveling especially when we had this discussion before in the X-Men threads haha too that right? Dimension travel will be showcased in the Fantastic Four film and with that a cross-over with the X-Men would be limited and you won't have the people asking where is the other team every time the other one is having a big battle.

And you have yet to give a way how would Fox's X-Men cross-over with the current MCU without making it look forced and unlike me, you didn't bring up dimension travel.

Have you ever read a Marvel comic or crossover? If your saying only a F4 movie that was made specifically to hit a deadline has the right to use Dimension travel as an excuse to crossover franchises to "become more like Marvel" but Infinty Stones, reality warping, Alt universe colliding , dimension hopping in the MCU are invalid then your just crazy.

While all the Sci-Fi nonsense is fine and awesome, I would hope neither would go that route in order to escape the reason why one can be loved and the other hated. Which is what I'm assuming you were saying with your last comment on the subject. It's a cheap effort to not explore the themes properly, and more just a reason to add X-Men for novelty. There are a number of reasons why mutants are feared, as already pointed out in the thread. And plenty of reasons while people would say otherwise. The debate and politics are what makes it interesting. Make everyone feared or liked, and your just making the X-Men like everyone else with no issue.

 

[SuperT]

They could work but I don't particularly see the need for it at all, especially with the introduction of the Inhumans now it's kind of pointless to have mutants.

Neither franchise gains anything story wise they both can't already do on their own.

 

[Flint Marko]

And you kept forgetting what I said before about dimension traveling especially when we had this discussion before in the X-Men threads haha too that right? Dimension travel will be showcased in the Fantastic Four film and with that a cross-over with the X-Men would be limited and you won't have the people asking where is the other team every time the other one is having a big battle.

And you have yet to give a way how would Fox's X-Men cross-over with the current MCU without making it look forced and unlike me, you didn't bring up dimension travel.

Okay, well you could just as easily say that would work for bringing them into the MCU would you not? Inter dimensional space travel? Couldn't that work for every single property? Or just the Fox ones?
Why would the X-men and the FF make sense being crossed over when they don't have a rich comic book history of team ups? It'd just be done because that's all Fox has the rights too, so it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense.

Who got Kevin Feige's first gig as an executive producer in a Marvel film? Lauren Shuler Donner, producer of all X-Men films.

Yeah Fox's Marvel movies had no impact. Lets not give Fox credit shall we?

Why would Fox get credit for what Fiege has done elsewhere?

Me I just prefer supporting the Studios making CBM's who actually gets it. And from day one that's been Marvel Studio's.

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

I see the appeal of having all the Marvel characters under one studio, but I'm fine with the X-Men being their own thing in their own universe as long as the movies are good. Plus it prevents other Marvel characters from getting sidelined in favor of the X-Men.

We also get more movies by them being made by a different studio. Next year there's going to be five CBMs between Fox and Marvel Studios alone. They may not all end up being great, but I like that we'll get a greater variety to watch.

 

[Protar]

I agree there which is why I don't see any scenario where using the term mutant is an issue. It's not as big of a deal as your leading on. Agree to disagree.

Well exactly. If it's not a big deal there's no reason to have two groups of once normal people who's ancestors were genetically modified by aliens/cosmic beings and now they have superpowers. They'd have to put so much effort into explaining why there's a new group so similar to the old one, they'd have to explain where these mutants have been all this time - because unlike Inhumans who have a very specific process for activating their powers, mutants are supposed to just be there, and to have been there for millenia, centuries or at least decades. That's way to much trouble to go to just to be able to use a name. The X-men are just as cool regardless of whether they're Inhumans or Mutants.

Wolverine is perhaps the exception, as his long lifespan is an important part of his character. But even then, he could be simply one of the few Inhumans to have their powers activated at an earlier point than most.

 

[BatsDC]

I'd love to see what Marvel could do with Wolverine and Magneto.

 

[def28]

The only X-Men character I'm really disappointed that Marvel does not have the rights to at the moment is Storm. Wolverine would be awesome to see, but really would like Ororo and T'Challa to get devlopment together.

Well exactly. If it's not a big deal there's no reason to have two groups of once normal people who's ancestors were genetically modified by aliens/cosmic beings and now they have superpowers. They'd have to put so much effort into explaining why there's a new group so similar to the old one, they'd have to explain where these mutants have been all this time - because unlike Inhumans who have a very specific process for activating their powers, mutants are supposed to just be there, and to have been there for millenia, centuries or at least decades. That's way to much trouble to go to just to be able to use a name. The X-men are just as cool regardless of whether they're Inhumans or Mutants.

Wolverine is perhaps the exception, as his long lifespan is an important part of his character. But even then, he could be simply one of the few Inhumans to have their powers activated at an earlier point than most.

I don't think it's a big deal because audiences get it and Marvel knows how easily all this stuff can work. Changing X-Men to Inhumans will not be worth the hastle Marvel would get if they finally get the rights to mutants, and I think they are very aware of the backlash that would pursue. They may explain things different but Mutants don't have to be there or outed for a millennia. The X-Men franchise themselves are switching up the history. There's a ton of options. Just like the comics Mutants and Inhumans can co exist. Personally I don't see the issue, especially given all the crazy things we have seen. I just don't think it's something people would have issue with if all the rights were in one place, and Marvel would be aware of that. But hey to each their own.

 

[Tg11]

X-Men I know I would love to see them in the Marvel Cinematic Universe a part of the Disney MCU but the only way that would realistically ever happen is if Fox were to give up their rights to X-Men entirely and give it to Disney which is something that I don't think that they would ever do but if it ever happened then just think about the possibilities? But if it were to ever happen they would have to totally reboot the X-Men franchise completely from scratch like starting all over again fresh and building it up from there

 

[Zant]

I'd love to see what Marvel could do with Wolverine and Magneto.

Don't want them to turn Magneto into an average villain, I also feel MCU Wolverine won't smoke or stab people, not much of a big deal but that extra edge may be taken away from the character.

I would like to see their take on Iceman, Jubilee and Mojo though..

 

[Tony Stark]

I think everyone would love to see Jackman and Downey on screen together. Beast would be another one I'd like to see, and possibly Magneto as a baddie. So long as Magneto can't lift Mjolnir like the idiotic Ultimate comics.

 

[Tony Stark]

Don't want them to turn Magneto into an average villain, I also feel MCU Wolverine won't smoke or stab people, not much of a big deal but that extra edge may be taken away from the character.

I would like to see their take on Iceman, Jubilee and Mojo though..

There's no evidence he'd be average. But you are right about Wolverine not smoking, that's a Disney corporate policy that Marvel has to follow. Stabbing, I don't see why not, considering Loki shoved a scepter through Coulson's chest.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Jackman is going to do only one more film as wolverine besides if it went back to marvel,which it won't anytime soon,it would be total reboot.

 

[First Avenger]

There's no evidence he'd be average. But you are right about Wolverine not smoking, that's a Disney corporate policy that Marvel has to follow. Stabbing, I don't see why not, considering Loki shoved a scepter through Coulson's chest.

Also Loki and Kurse stabbed each other in TDW.

 

[Protar]

I don't think it's a big deal because audiences get it and Marvel knows how easily all this stuff can work. Changing X-Men to Inhumans will not be worth the hastle Marvel would get if they finally get the rights to mutants, and I think they are very aware of the backlash that would pursue. They may explain things different but Mutants don't have to be there or outed for a millennia. The X-Men franchise themselves are switching up the history. There's a ton of options. Just like the comics Mutants and Inhumans can co exist. Personally I don't see the issue, especially given all the crazy things we have seen. I just don't think it's something people would have issue with if all the rights were in one place, and Marvel would be aware of that. But hey to each their own.

I think you're speaking from the point of view of someone who has read the comics, and has seen all sorts of crazy wacky retcons and at the end of the day just wants the term mutant to be in the MCU. From your perspective it seems like a no brainer that they'd introduce that beloved terminology into the movies sometime.

From Marvel's perspective that would be a big no no. The general public would just finding it confusing and unnecessary - because it would be. Two identical groups with different names? Why? Marvel wants this universe to stand on its own from the comics. I'd go so far as to say that introducing the term mutant into the MCU, now that we have Inhumans would be actively harmful to it. Not in a huge way, but it would confuse the brand.

You've yet to really come up with a good justification for introducing the term aside from "it was in the comics."

 

[def28]

I think you're speaking from the point of view of someone who has read the comics, and has seen all sorts of crazy wacky retcons and at the end of the day just wants the term mutant to be in the MCU. From your perspective it seems like a no brainer that they'd introduce that beloved terminology into the movies sometime.

From Marvel's perspective that would be a big no no. The general public would just finding it confusing and unnecessary - because it would be. Two identical groups with different names? Why? Marvel wants this universe to stand on its own from the comics. I'd go so far as to say that introducing the term mutant into the MCU, now that we have Inhumans would be actively harmful to it. Not in a huge way, but it would confuse the brand.

You've yet to really come up with a good justification for introducing the term aside from "it was in the comics."

I'm more speaking from the pov of someone who has heard the constant argument that things can't work before. All the arguments about retcons, character swapping, recasting, time travel, same characters in different franchises, aliens, magic, robots, crossovers, continuity not flowing well between movies etc the debates have always been off. Only fans think it will be an issue with audiences... and it never is. The audience is very accepting of all that but... they are fully aware about one thing with the A list X-Men. They are mutants. X-Men hit mainstream pop culture far longer ago then the Avenger crew. Ultimately they just want a good movie, but if we are talking about things they will quesiton, not making them mutants will be an obvious one.

Just as comic fans don't when they read the comics, audiences won't care one bit if there are Inhumans and X-Men. What audiences are willing to accept on the fantasy side of things is very similar to the fans with these mainstream comics. One side is just more obsessive and will nitpick 24/7. Whenever Marvel gets the full rights (which won't happen anytime soon) or Marvel and Fox make a deal (way more likely) and mutants are switched to Inhumans for good I will have no problem admitting I was wrong. But I am fairly confident that this will not be the case because it can work without issue. Look at how everyone was like QS and SW are gonna be Inhumans. Nope. They could have made them that, but they didn't.

Much like Spider-Man and Daredevil if Marvel had their hands on X-Men we will see a fast switch up and big focus on them. They won't wanna get them directly connected with another property when they can sell them as a completely new separate idea in their universe. That will be the sell. Would there be similar themes? Sure, Marvels playing those right now on AOS with Skye. They just flat out can't use mutants or X-Men so it makes sense for the time. But how Marvel handles the main Inhuman property will be very different then how they would handle an X-Men one. Inuhumans want to walk through that mist right now on AOS, and are more like a cult. Until Marvel drops a terrigen bomb on the MCU world this stuff isn't even in play. Mutants don't have a choice, so the same would have to happen with Inhumans. But even then, you can have a much different origin here for mutants then alien test subejcts that walk through a mist. World expansion has been a huge part of the MCU, can't see them wanting to cut it off if they have the chance to dive into potential new stuff. Especially with something as big as X-Men.

 

[starscream22]

No, not at this point. It's too late.

How?

It's the MCU, new characters are being introduced all the time. Inhumans are still being integrated.

By this same logic MAGIC shouldn't be introduced in the MCU "Because it's too late" but no has a problem with Dr. Strange's film in the Fall 2016.

For the record it was never confirmed what Scarlet Witch and QuickSilver really where which could open the door to mutants at a later time should there be an agreement between Marvel and Fox. So putting a cap on the MCU using Mutants simply because it's convenient for Fox-men fans isn't going to cut it here.

There's way too many Marvel elements that have yet to be introduced into the MCU that will be. So use the "it's too late" excuse strictly for Mutants is lame.

I think introducing the X-men into the MCU could be done as smooth and exciting as any other character or group has been.

So lets get it done Mickey, I'm sick of Singer and Fox's crap!

 

[BatsDC]

Jackman is going to do only one more film as wolverine besides if it went back to marvel,which it won't anytime soon,it would be total reboot.

I'd bet money on Jackman agreeing to do more movies if it meant joining the Avengers.