World Doc Ock's lair

[Doctor Octopus]

Which one of these dastardly villains is the father of this kid?? Could Octavius and Stunner have spawned a child??

I already know the answer to this,but I remember thinking that when Runaways started

 

[Silver Sable]

Magneto?

 

[Symbiotica]

I dunno, he looks like Kingpin's kid to me.

I guess Stunner could have borne a child... you know like in the original version of Sleeping Beauty. The princess was indeed awakened from a sleep of years by a kiss; but when the prince finally did bother waking her up, she was about 8.9 months gone with child Now THERE'S some villainy for you. Tsk!

[..... and "tsk" at me for my filthy mind, imagining Ock using Stunner as a helpless incubator like that. It must be that I am half-crazed with lack of sleep....or maybe I just read "Wanted" one too many times.]

 

[The Joker]

Actually guys I'm told he is Doom's kid.

Octavius is not like Osborn,he doesn't have kids running around loose somewhere,keeping them a mysterious secret for years

[..... and "tsk" at me for my filthy mind, imagining Ock using Stunner as a helpless incubator like that. It must be that I am half-crazed with lack of sleep....or maybe I just read "Wanted" one too many times.]

Yes,it's not like Octavius would ever use a woman for his own personal gain now is it

 

[Silver S]

I would have thought Magneto or Doom (can you just see Doc Ock standing there 3 in the morning with the bed-hair wearing boxer shorts and holding a baby up on his shoulder while it screams?). So he's sprung forth from the loins of Doom's maiden, eh? He looks positively charming.

 

[Herr Logan]

I guess Stunner could have borne a child... you know like in the original version of Sleeping Beauty. The princess was indeed awakened from a sleep of years by a kiss; but when the prince finally did bother waking her up, she was about 8.9 months gone with child Now THERE'S some villainy for you. Tsk!

That's what happened in the original story??

And I thought the Disney movie was scary when I was very young...

 

[Symbiotica]

That's what happened in the original story??

And I thought the Disney movie was scary when I was very young...

'Tis true: that's what actually happened. I think there's a version where she awakens having already given birth to twin boys, too. A lot of those so-called "fairy tales" have underwent significant alteration to make them suitable for kids. You ought to read some of Hans Christian Anderson's unaltered works - talk about eye-opening reads! They're actually quite interesting, not to mention often macabre in the extreme. I remember one about a girl who is seeing a guy her family objects to. Her brother waylays the bf in the forest and kills him. The girl comes upon the body later and decides "Well, I think i'd like to keep this!" - and then decapitates the dead man. She carries the head home in her arms and puts it in a flower-pot in her room, planting a rose-bush in the pot too to disguise why it's really there. And the action continues from there.

Too bad he's not writing for Marvel

Anyhoo, I'm glad that's not Ock's kid: I just don't see him as a family-man type. AT ALL.

 

[Herr Logan]

'Tis true: that's what actually happened. I think there's a version where she awakens having already given birth to twin boys, too. A lot of those so-called "fairy tales" have underwent significant alteration to make them suitable for kids. You ought to read some of Hans Christian Anderson's unaltered works - talk about eye-opening reads! They're actually quite interesting, not to mention often macabre in the extreme. I remember one about a girl who is seeing a guy her family objects to. Her brother waylays the bf in the forest and kills him. The girl comes upon the body later and decides "Well, I think i'd like to keep this!" - and then decapitates the dead man. She carries the head home in her arms and puts it in a flower-pot in her room, planting a rose-bush in the pot too to disguise why it's really there. And the action continues from there.

Too bad he's not writing for Marvel

Yeah, I remember how the Little Mermaid felt hundreds of knives stabbing her legs every time she'd take a steps (she should have stuck with the tail) and she died at the end. Also, Cinderella's step-sisters have their toes cut off in an effort to fit in that damn glass shoe.I should probably get ahold of some of these stories and see what was what back then.

I know there are some classic stories that got Disnified that weren't necessarily macabre, but they were hilarious. I haven't finished the original Pinocchio, but it's damn funny stuff, and that puppet was a real bad seed, not like in the cartoon where he just gets peer pressured. That movie did scar me for life, however, because that whale made me phobic of big whales down deep that try to eat you. I damn near left the room during a whale-swallow scene in 'Finding Nemo,' all because of Monstro, the Whale That Wouldn't Chew.

Anyhoo, I'm glad that's not Ock's kid: I just don't see him as a family-man type. AT ALL.

No, but he does have groupies. B.B. King had dozens of children across the country, pretty much because of groupies. At least I think that's how it went.

 

[Nicklogic]

Back to basics. I wish i had four tentacles. I'd do so much more than spin turntables.

 

[Silver Sable]

Long time no see Logan.How are you?

 

[Silver Sable]

Back to basics. I wish i had four tentacles. I'd do so much more than spin turntables.

You want to be a mutant freak?

No offense to villain Ock and Hype Ock

 

[Symbiotica]

[...] but he does have groupies. B.B. King had dozens of children across the country, pretty much because of groupies. At least I think that's how it went.

While I could imagine many supervillains taking advantage of such a situation [people like Electro, Shocker, Kraven and Carnage spring immediately to mind], Ock is not one of them. I can more easily see him rebuffing such advances with an icy sneer.

If anyone does any choosing, it'd be HIM, I'd think. Plus in those S6 novels he makes his opinion of "****s" very plain. Not to mention Year One. A very particular man is our Octavius... only the very best for him. Picky pickypicky.

 

[Herr Logan]

Long time no see Logan.How are you?

Wretched, darlin', just wretched. And yourself?

 

[Herr Logan]

While I could imagine many supervillains taking advantage of such a situation [people like Electro, Shocker, Kraven and Carnage spring immediately to mind], Ock is not one of them. I can more easily see him rebuffing such advances with an icy sneer.

If anyone does any choosing, it'd be HIM, I'd think. Plus in those S6 novels he makes his opinion of "****s" very plain. Not to mention Year One. A very particular man is our Octavius... only the very best for him. Picky pickypicky.

I refuse to recognize 'Year One' as canon. I accept Adam-Troy Castro's novels more readily than that superflous, revisionist story, even though Castro's novels are clearly not official canon, and the second book, at least, was so chock full of typos it's not really fit to be an uncorrected proof, much less shipped out and put on the shelves yet.

You're most likely correct with regard to Doc Ock's policy toward groupies, although he's certainly willing to fraternize with Trainer, if not actually take full advantage of her adulation.

 

[The Joker]

I accept Adam-Troy Castro's novels more readily than that superflous, revisionist story, even though Castro's novels are clearly not official canon, and the second book, at least, was so chock full of typos it's not really fit to be an uncorrected proof, much less shipped out and put on the shelves yet.

Oh my you're a harsh one

I would hardly say the 2nd novel is "chock full of typos".I recall maybe 5 or 6 of them over a course of some 400 pages.Not the worst now is it.

And besides,the novels are so thoroughly enjoyable,that any typos you do come across,hardly take away from the the greatness of the story.

I'd take a few typos in the comics these days,if it meant we got some better writing

You're most likely correct with regard to Doc Ock's policy toward groupies, although he's certainly willing to fraternize with Trainer, if not actually take full advantage of her adulation.

That's because Trainer was actually useful to him.She aided him in his criminal schemes.

If you're useless to him,then Ock is not going to keep you around.

 

[Herr Logan]

Oh my you're a harsh one

I would hardly say the 2nd novel is "chock full of typos".I recall maybe 5 or 6 of them over a course of some 400 pages.Not the worst now is it.

And besides,the novels are so thoroughly enjoyable,that any typos you do come across,hardly take away from the the greatness of the story.

I'd take a few typos in the comics these days,if it meant we got some better writing



That's because Trainer was actually useful to him.She aided him in his criminal schemes.

If you're useless to him,then Ock is not going to keep you around.

I agree on all counts. Just pointing out that the book has numerous typos, and as someone who worked several years in bookstores and knows that they hand out free uncorrected proofs before the final edit for a lot of books, it pisses me off that they not only probably never did that for this book, but they didn't even see fit to properly edit it. Some of the references in this story are embarrassingly forced, but overall it's a great story. God forbid they give it the same respect they would a borderline-romance novel about vampires and/or werewolves. Yeah, I read some free smutty horror proofs, so sue me.

 

[Nicklogic]

You want to be a mutant freak?

No offense to villain Ock and Hype Ock

hey, why not. 4 Tentacles? I'd be the hit of the party and of the entire NY city.

 

[Silver Sable]

Wretched, darlin', just wretched. And yourself?

Awww

I'm fine thanks dear

 

[Silver Sable]

hey, why not. 4 Tentacles? I'd be the hit of the party and of the entire NY city.

If you say so lol

 

[Symbiotica]

You're most likely correct with regard to Doc Ock's policy toward groupies, although he's certainly willing to fraternize with Trainer, if not actually take full advantage of her adulation.

Trainer is an extremely smart woman, that's why he tolerates her. She's also an extremely useful woman; if she wasn't, we would not be looking at Ock today. And I think he "took advantage" of her anytime he felt like it... I don't think there was anything she would not have done for him.

I liked Year One a lot, myself, so on that count we'll have to disagree.

 

[Herr Logan]

I liked Year One a lot, myself, so on that count we'll have to disagree.

Respectfully, I assure you. I have no issue with anyone liking it, but I consider the editorial decisions behind it to be in error. I don't think Ock needed a retroactive revamp that implies he purposefully contributed to his mother's death, there was no need to rewrite Ock's first encounter with Spider-Man, and I could never approve of them making the two characters of comparable age.

 

[Silver S]

...and I could never approve of them making the two characters of comparable age.

I'll have you know Otto is a full five minutes older than Pete in Boy Genius. So there.

 

[Symbiotica]

there was no need to rewrite Ock's first encounter with Spider-Man, and I could never approve of them making the two characters of comparable age.

On this issue I am forced to agree: I found that "peers" thing to be terribly forced. I saw no need at all for Peter to be in that book - only Spidey. What is this thing Marvel has where heros and villains have to all but grow up together?! It flies in the face of common sense.

 

[Symbiotica]

Okay, where was I: a few weeks back I started penciling my Ock magnum opus, and only in the past few days have I been able to pick up on that again. So, here's a few scans, because this damn thing is so huge it's almost twice the size of the scanner-bed.

 

[Symbiotica]

Other side:

I know that facted tritium globe is just awful, but I can tell you this much: it's truly "awful" to draw, too. I was getting worried I was going to wear through the paper, I did so much erasing on that. It will probably get a bit more tweaking, but it'll never be perfect, because geometry and my brain are strangers to each other.

The tentacles have changed a bit, I'm using a hybrid I culled in part from the movie book. I swear I have tried, and I now totally understand why Bagley draws the pincers as all but organic things with no jointing. Good God, what a fight.

Since I'm using my own hand wearing a dress glove as a model for his, I'm a little concerned his might look too feminine. I'll see what I can do.

Can you see what's going on near the edges of the paper?! Heck no.