does anyone besides me have no faith?

Ugh whatever. Those aren't valid comparisons. Especially for Pirates of The Carribbean. Orlando Bloom and Johnny Depp were NOT unknowns. Nor was Geoffrey Rush for that matter.

And it might just be more than casting for that matter. There's nothing wrong with people questioning the quality of the casting. And how poorly this whole business has been planned.

Orlando Bloom was practically 2 years into his film career when he did POTC and Kiera Knightley was an unknown (and she was under age at that). Granted, he was in LOTR, but he wasn't in much else before that. Also, I don't know what you mean by not valid comparisons. SW EP IV had unknowns in it. So did "Mad Max". Who knew about Leo DiCaprio or Kate Winslet before "Titanic"? These are valid comparisons. I am quite sure that you are not in on the planing so you can't possibly be a good judge on how it is being planned. I think they are doing a pretty good job of it seeing that there is a writers strike and they have been able to get a (suposedly) "ready-to-shoot" script and are now setting up props for the film. It was even brilliant that the project more than likely categorized as an Australian film so that they can get the tax breaks from the Aussie goverment. I think you can only say that it was poorly planed when the actually fail at something and I don't see where any of that has happened.
 
How is my "bellyaching" going to help derail things? :huh: This movie is getting made regardless of what I think of DJ, Arm and Hammer, Palmer etc... Btw, has Miller looked into the cast of Laguna Beach, I heard they're free? :hehe:

Your negative comments only serve to disuade potential moviegoers from developing an intrest in the film. It's as simple as that. I think they already know who they want to be in this film and the casting is closed.
 
I don't think these boards have the impact you believe they have.

Oh, it does. Stuff said here and other places can be viral and can even wind up in you favorite comic title or on a TV show if you don't watch out.
 
I don't think these boards have the impact you believe they have.
Hehe... you know, I gave that some thought, and I have to disagree. Adamantly.

Remember the Anne Thompson blog post that sent everybody into a meltdown last week? She posted that article on Variety way back on December 27th, but it mysteriously didn't show up anywhere till January 3rd ish - a week later.

Know where it got spread from? Here! At SuperHeroHype. How do I know?

*cough*
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=13692794#post13692794

You post something here - even in a tiny little corner like the Hype's SV forum - and it's gonna spread like WILDFIRE! There's the proof. ;)
 
Hehe... you know, I gave that some thought, and I have to disagree. Adamantly.

Remember the Anne Thompson blog post that sent everybody into a meltdown last week? She posted that article on Variety way back on December 27th, but it mysteriously didn't show up anywhere till January 3rd ish - a week later.

Know where it got spread from? Here! At SuperHeroHype. How do I know?

*cough*
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=13692794#post13692794

You post something here - even in a tiny little corner like the Hype's SV forum - and it's gonna spread like WILDFIRE! There's the proof. ;)

I meant in terms of being able to shut down a production. I have no doubt that a statement or news article can pass through here like wildfire. But SHH! had no bearing on the blog that Anne Thompson wrote. No matter how many complaints come out of this board, I seriously, seriously doubt this production would be effected. One can bring up JJ Abrams Superman but WB was full steam ahead on that until a director decided he was too chicken to fly.
 
I meant in terms of being able to shut down a production. I have no doubt that a statement or news article can pass through here like wildfire. But SHH! had no bearing on the blog that Anne Thompson wrote. No matter how many complaints come out of this board, I seriously, seriously doubt this production would be effected. One can bring up JJ Abrams Superman but WB was full steam ahead on that until a director decided he was too chicken to fly.
Yes, I'd agree that one board - no matter how big or supposedly influential - isn't gonna shut down a production. (Assuming what's posted is just fanboy opinion of course.) But opinion does travel and bad buzz hurts. That said, it can be good too. Production details can be swayed. Numerous directors from David Goyer to Michael Bay have admitted publicly to changing plans based on fan outcry as read on I-Net msg boards. So it's a double-edged sword.
 
I meant in terms of being able to shut down a production. I have no doubt that a statement or news article can pass through here like wildfire. But SHH! had no bearing on the blog that Anne Thompson wrote. No matter how many complaints come out of this board, I seriously, seriously doubt this production would be effected. One can bring up JJ Abrams Superman but WB was full steam ahead on that until a director decided he was too chicken to fly.

And I'm talking about attendance at the boxoffice. The things you say now and later will certainly influence what will happen then.
 
Orlando Bloom was practically 2 years into his film career when he did POTC and Kiera Knightley was an unknown (and she was under age at that). Granted, he was in LOTR, but he wasn't in much else before that.

Regardless he was NOT unknown. He had already co-starred in the biggest movies of 2001 and 2002. He had a small role in Black Hawk Down. By the time Pirates came out his posters covered the rooms of teenage girls everywhere.

Knightley wasn't as prolific as she is now but she was getting a ton of buzz off of BEND IT LIKE BECKHAM.

Geoffrey Rush and Johnny Depp were two established stars and veterans in the movie. So no, it was hardly an UNKNOWN cast.

Even though it was based on a ride, people were ready and hungry for a big swashbuckling pirate movie that was really good that hadn't been done well in years. Pirates totally revived the genre.

Also, I don't know what you mean by not valid comparisons. SW EP IV had unknowns in it. So did "Mad Max". Who knew about Leo DiCaprio or Kate Winslet before "Titanic"? These are valid comparisons.

Harrison Ford was NOT unknown in Star Wars. Peter Cushing was a well known actors' actor. Among others. Harrison Ford appeared in Lucas's AMERICAN GRAFFITTI which was a huge hit in the 70's.

Where the **** does Mad Max come from? Mad Max wasn't some big surprise BO smash. Nothing close, if anything it was more like a cool action cult film that yes did help establish Mel Gibson. Mad Max wasn't what made Gibson a star or BO draw though, so you are definitely barking up the wrong tree.

Mad Max I am quite sure that you are not in on the planing so you can't possibly be a good judge on how it is being planned.

What the hell does this mean?

None of these are truly valid comparisons. TITANIC was a huge movie and Cameron was a well known filmmaker whose career preceded him with the movie since his last movie was T2. Leonardo DiCaprio was already an academy award nominated actor going into the movie. He was an established heart throb after ROMEO AND JULIET which preceded Titanic and was a moderate hit for it's small budget. Winslet was mostly an indie, British movie princess at the time, so that is all I will give you.

But at the end of the day, it's not really just working with an unknown cast. It's about the cast being CREDIBLE and RIGHT FOR THE ROLES.

I think they are doing a pretty good job of it seeing that there is a writers strike and they have been able to get a (suposedly) "ready-to-shoot" script and are now setting up props for the film. It was even brilliant that the project more than likely categorized as an Australian film so that they can get the tax breaks from the Aussie goverment. I think you can only say that it was poorly planed when the actually fail at something and I don't see where any of that has happened.

Obviously you thought wrong since WB has been getting extremely cold feet on the movie, and didn't make any of their planned or scheduled announcements that were promised. They hacked and rushed to shoot a script put together right before the strike and reports indicate the script was far from READY TO SHOOT.

Judging from this paragraph you like to live in a fantasy world and don't know what you are talking about with movies. It's not that simple.
 
Comparing Bale's reception as Batman to Routh's as Superman is ridiculous. Routh and the movie were nowhere near as liked as Bale and his movie. They are not on equal footing in the eyes of the movie going public. Most people won't care if Routh's role is recast, because he wasn't allowed to play the beloved Superman that everyone knows and loves.
 
Of course he didn't, that's the late Christopher Reeve.
 
IT's not Routh's fault though. You have to blame the script and director of that movie. I thought Routh did well with what he had. With a great script Superman returns would have been way more awesome....and I even liked the movie....but even I know it was nowhere what a Superman movie should be like
 
I didn't find Routh terrible or anything, but you know thems the breaks. This whole entire JL mess is because of Superman's disappointment, that's what sucks more than anything. Had Superman Returns been a huge hit this would probably not be happening right now.
 
exactly....They dropped the ball on that one. They had a cool idea ...I just can't believe how they screwed it up.
 
Orlando Bloom was practically 2 years into his film career when he did POTC and Kiera Knightley was an unknown (and she was under age at that). Granted, he was in LOTR, but he wasn't in much else before that. Also, I don't know what you mean by not valid comparisons. SW EP IV had unknowns in it. So did "Mad Max". Who knew about Leo DiCaprio or Kate Winslet before "Titanic"? These are valid comparisons. I am quite sure that you are not in on the planing so you can't possibly be a good judge on how it is being planned. I think they are doing a pretty good job of it seeing that there is a writers strike and they have been able to get a (suposedly) "ready-to-shoot" script and are now setting up props for the film. It was even brilliant that the project more than likely categorized as an Australian film so that they can get the tax breaks from the Aussie goverment. I think you can only say that it was poorly planed when the actually fail at something and I don't see where any of that has happened.

DiCaprio was nominated for an Oscar aged 19 for Whats Eating Gilbert Grape and had already stared in This Boys Life with DeNiro, The BasketBall Diaries, Marvins Room with Meryl Streep and Baz Luhrumanns Romeo+Juliet. He was hardly an unknown actor. Along with River Phenoix he was one of the most buzzed about young actors in Hollywood.

All of this was before Titanic.
 
I already mentioned that but yeah, DiCaprio was far from unknown when Titanic came out. He wasn't as huge as he is now, but he was a hot commodity at the time when Titanic came out. He'd already been appearing in movies for years.
 
A dumb idea. Imagine seeing Wonder Woman, Superman AND BATMAN standing in the bright sun? It would look STUPID.
 
To tell you the truth, I never really had much faith in this movie ever since I heard about it. Now, my faith has gone from none to slim, due to WETA making the costumes.:woot:

But who knows, it maybe good. Just as long as it isn't campy..........
 
If you think about it. Since they wanted to create a big blockbuster film about a character without much thought and without much consideration to what people really wish to see. That same thing happened to Superman Returns. Can't wait until Justice League is destroyed.
 
Plain and simple, WB does not feel good about greenlighting a script that could cost up to $300 million when they can't do any rewrites.
 
Well reguarding the script we dont really know if it was ready or not ready before the wga strike beguard. Emi if u trust her at all has been saying its pretty much been casting that has been the big issue.
 
well we dont really know that. If you believe emi information there has been issues with two actors dropping out and/or them trying to get welling still once smallville season wraps in a week or so.
 
Well not saying it's for sure, but if there is anything to this and the movie did fall apart, this wouldn't be the first time for George Miller.

Mad Max Fury Road was greenlit and everything over $100 million set to shoot with Mel Gibson. Production falls apart in 2003 due to the fear of terrorism and it never ended up happening.

Personally, I think spending over $100 million on a 4th Mad Max movie was a rather dumb idea.
 

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