Does Marvel have a problem with their villains?

[Victarion]

Based on what Miller did with Lord Humungus and the Toecutter in his Mad Max series, it shouldn't be that hard to establish a really good villain in a short amount of time.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Well that sounds like a bunch of ****. Zemo is a great villain on his own, no need to consolidate the two characters. Zemo is a villain that could pop up later on when they do Masters of Evil

The interview with Bruhl didn't *seem* to suggest that something that outlandish could happen, just that Zemo's appearance, and perhaps motivation, would be more modern. That might or might not work, but gutting Zemo with a twist like making him Red Skull would be a fly-infested, rancid, steaming pile of monkey crap.

I'm also looking forward to the idea of the Avengers facing an equally powerful team of supervillains in the future. A Masters of Evil incarnation in some form is definitely a viable direction, and it would make sense for Zemo to be involved.

 

[Guard82]

The interview with Bruhl didn't *seem* to suggest that something that outlandish could happen, just that Zemo's appearance, and perhaps motivation, would be more modern. That might or might not work, but gutting Zemo with a twist like making him Red Skull would be a fly-infested, rancid, steaming pile of monkey crap.

Yes, and it would be a disservice to both villains. It would be a disservice to Zemo because he's a good villain on his own and deserves to be his own person. And it would be a disservice to the Red Skull as well, because in a movie this packed and complex, there's no way they could do justice to his return. There's just too much going on in Civil War to handle the Red Skull's return correctly. If they ever decide to bring back the Red Skull, they should save him for a movie where his return would make sense and wouldn't feel shoehorned in.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Honestly it's pretty lame if Zemo never wears his mask, he's one of the most visually appealing Marvel villains by a long shot

 

[Brawl]

So far I have enjoyed alot of Marvel's villains, here's a list of my favorites so far.

 

[metaphysician]

Based on what Miller did with Lord Humungus and the Toecutter in his Mad Max series, it shouldn't be that hard to establish a really good villain in a short amount of time.

Your conclusion doesn't follow your premise. Essentially your saying "Because one of the best directors in the business can do something, its easy to do."

 

[Victarion]

Marvel's got some talented directors and writers at their disposal. I'm sure they could manage it. The question is - why don't they?

 

[Lantern Venom]

Yes, and it would be a disservice to both villains. It would be a disservice to Zemo because he's a good villain on his own and deserves to be his own person. And it would be a disservice to the Red Skull as well, because in a movie this packed and complex, there's no way they could do justice to his return. There's just too much going on in Civil War to handle the Red Skull's return correctly. If they ever decide to bring back the Red Skull, they should save him for a movie where his return would make sense and wouldn't feel shoehorned in.

That's true. Skull is arguably Marvel's #2 overall villain in the comics. MS will be missing an opportunity if they don't bring him back in a modern setting.

 

[BoredGuy]

once again, I have to ask...

outside of Joker and Magneto and mayyybe Stryker in X2 (he was ruined in XO:W and DOFP), what villains at other studios are any better than Marvel's??

Some of Marvel's villains may have fallen flat
but that's not a problem inherent to only Marvel Studios

that said, if they can take a cue from the Netflix series and TDK to keep the villains a little more mysterious at the start and give them good reveals, it can only help the villains to be even better

 

[First Avenger]

once again, I have to ask...

outside of Joker and Magneto and mayyybe Stryker in X2 (he was ruined in XO:W and DOFP), what villains at other studios are any better than Marvel's??

Some of Marvel's villains may have fallen flat
but that's not a problem inherent to only Marvel Studios

that said, if they can take a cue from the Netflix series and TDK to keep the villains a little more mysterious at the start and give them good reveals, it can only help the villains to be even better

You speak the truth.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

So far I have enjoyed alot of Marvel's villains, here's a list of my favorites so far.

Magneto, Stryker and Dr Octopus not done by Marvel. Fox did Magneto and Stryker and Sony did Dr Octopus.

 

[Mike Murdock]

You can say the same with John Travolta. It's clearly referring to Marvel comics characters, not Marvel Studios.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

You can say the same with John Travolta. It's clearly referring to Marvel comics characters, not Marvel Studios.

This thread is about villains done by Marvel studios not about villain from Marvel comics in movies.

 

[Quasimod0]

The only DC villain that I feel was done better than most Marvel villains is Joker. Otherwise, Loki is better (imo) than almost any other DC movie villain out there.

DC TV has had some good villains though, like Reverse Flash, Malcolm Merlyn, Deathstroke, etc.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

After seeing Tennant's Killgrave I think this thread should be closed. Most terrifying comic to screen villain ever.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

After seeing Tennant's Killgrave I think this thread should be closed. Most terrifying comic to screen villain ever.

Only 8 episodes into JJ, and I totally agree about Kilgrave he is awesome. But the movies still have issues with the villains for me.

 

[Flint Marko]

After seeing Tennant's Killgrave I think this thread should be closed. Most terrifying comic to screen villain ever.

I don't think this thread should be closed but I do find it funny how often some people like to harp on this criticism. It would make more sense if other studios were consistently giving us better villains but outside of the Nolan films and Magneto (which Fox has pretty much milked dry at this point), I'm struggling to think of any other villains that stand out moreso than what the MCU has given us. I'd throw Sony's first two spider-man villains in there, but it's been over ten years since they've done anything worthwhile.
It seems that it comes up a lot because it's the easiest criticism to throw towards Marvel. It's not that it doesn't carry any weight, it's just isnt that damning a criticism considering how relatively low the bar has been set.

 

[starscream22]

I don't think this thread should be closed but I do find it funny how often some people like to harp on this criticism. It would make more sense if other studios were consistently giving us better villains but outside of the Nolan films and Magneto (which Fox has pretty much milked dry at this point), I'm struggling to think of any other villains that stand out moreso than what the MCU has given us. I'd throw Sony's first two spider-man villains in there, but it's been over ten years since they've done anything worthwhile.
It seems that it comes up a lot because it's the easiest criticism to throw towards Marvel. It's not that it doesn't carry any weight, it's just isnt that damning a criticism considering how relatively low the bar has been set.

Exactly!

There's clearly room for improvement when it comes to the MCU's rogue gallery, yet despite that the MCU is still the #1 CBM supplier. So what does that say about the other studios?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I just find it frustrating they can't do with their movie villains what they can with the Netflix ones, I know they can go darker and show more violence, and of course are longer, but in the case of both Kilgrave and Kingpin I immediately felt the menace from them and how dangerous they are.

One scene especially with Kilgrave was so good in JJ, was when Jessica tried to get herself arrested and walks out into the police to see them all holding themselves/each other at gun point. The scene only last 10 mins, but god damn was it effective, especially with Kilgrave trying to convince Jessica he loved her. Just one scene with that amount of menace would have done wonders for the likes of Ultron, Red Skull or Malekith.

 

[Metal Spidey]

As far as MCU goes, only Loki, The Winter Solider and Ronan have been memorable to me. The rest are kinda on the weak side.

 

[Victarion]

once again, I have to ask...

outside of Joker and Magneto and mayyybe Stryker in X2 (he was ruined in XO:W and DOFP), what villains at other studios are any better than Marvel's??

Some of Marvel's villains may have fallen flat
but that's not a problem inherent to only Marvel Studios

that said, if they can take a cue from the Netflix series and TDK to keep the villains a little more mysterious at the start and give them good reveals, it can only help the villains to be even better

Two-Face, Bane, Prince Nuada, General Zod (Man of Steel). The Mandarin has been the most memorable, and my favorite, MCU villain to date.

 

[Flint Marko]

I'll give you Two-face and maybe Bane. Never seen Hellboy. But Zod?
I also am a fan of the Mandarin in Iron Man 3. Loved the twist.

 

[Maudib]

Two-Face, Bane, Prince Nuada, General Zod (Man of Steel).

Honestly none of those stuck with me very much. Of course it makes a difference that I didn't like a single one of those movies that featured them.

 

[Maudib]

The only weak villains the MCU has were Malekith and Kurse. The rest IMO are either adequate or really good.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Two-Face, Bane, Prince Nuada, General Zod (Man of Steel). The Mandarin has been the most memorable, and my favorite, MCU villain to date.

And if we are going old school there is Deacon Frost, Nomak, Rasputin, Green Goblin, Doc Ock. I didn't like The Mandarin personally, but Loki, Winter Soldier and Ronan have been good-great in the movies.

Kingpin and Kilgrave have been superb but they are not in the movies. And he movies haven't even acknowledge they exist yet.