Doubting the Ghost Rider Movie

[Quentin Black]

Daredevil was a good comic film that was also faithful to the source in themes, style and characters. Not perfect but fairly close. MSJ did a good job and put in a lot of effort to get it right and has the potential to do the same for Ghostrider.

Last time I check Nic Cage was a good actor and I can see him pull this off.

The PG-13 rating is slightly disconcerting but DD got alot of violence past that rating and personally I don't need lots of gore or swearing for this to be good.

 

[The Kryptonian]

There are many things I don't like about the Ghost Rider movie.

The fact that Nic Cage is starring.
The fact that MSJ is directing. (After what he did with DD, I'd never let him direct again)
And the fact that it might get a PG-13 rating. A Ghost Rider movie should be R Rated.

I hope these dudes know what they're doing with this film, 'cause I don't want any dissapointments like I had with DD.

 

[SuperFerret]

DD sucked. Elektra actually looks like it's going to be better than that crap.

I don't know about anyone else but Jennifer garner as Elektra was one of the worst things about that movie.

Anyway, it's dumb to judge a movie that's not even out yet. Just because MSJ is directing doesn't mean that this movie will be as bad as many claim DD was. (I enjoyed it, for the most part) Even "good" directors make bad movies (coughGeorgeLucascough) and sometimes "bad" directors can make an enjoyable movie. Plus, the 'cool factor" of a biker with a flaming skull as a head alone will attract many to go see it. I keep an optimistic outlook unytil I get information saying otherwise.

 

[Savage]

Great post. And it's "Penance Stare" btw.

 

[FlameHead]

Boycott...

wtf?

Boycott this thread is what needs to happen..

I'm with you on that one. The problem is, in order to support you, I had to post in the thread. Damn.

There's no way in hell I'm not gonna see this movie 15 times. Nic Cage or Nic Simpson, I don't care, I'm watching this movie.

 

[Joker]

I loved Daredevil...the directors cut is going to own...and why would GR have to be rated R? it's not like it was a f**king MAX comic or something, it was pretty much PG13...if Ghost Rider had gone around in his comic beheading street punks with his chain or something I could see an R rating, but the Penance Stare just isnt very graphic

 

[Union Jack]

i don't get what it is about films having to be R rated (18 certificate over here in the UK).
i mean star wars was a U(universal),which mean its goes along side films and \TV programs such as my little pony and care bears in certification.
yet star wars is one of the best films ever made IMO.
as long as the film is good,thats all that counts,not the blood,gore and nudity and body count.
BTW i thought daredevil was great.
though i'm not too sure about cage as ghost rider either.

 

[ViscaBarcaInter]

We're talking about a bad ass mofo who rides a SWEET ass bike, and has a flaming skull for a head.

How can this film NOT rule all?

 

[Kable24]

I don't understand the obsession with having to make all movies rated R to be good. Like someone posted earlier the rating doesn't make the movie good. Script, directing and acting make the movie good. Ghost Rider could be a totally kickass movie with a PG or PG-13 rating. PG-13 guarantees more kids get to see it as well, which means more money for the movie.

 

[FlameHead]

I don't understand the obsession with having to make all movies rated R to be good. Like someone posted earlier the rating doesn't make the movie good. Script, directing and acting make the movie good. Ghost Rider could be a totally kickass movie with a PG or PG-13 rating. PG-13 guarantees more kids get to see it as well, which means more money for the movie.

No, not all movies have to be rated R. However, a movie that involves deals with devils, flaming motorcycle-ridin' vengence seekers do. Maybe not R, but something more than PG 13. You see, I want to see vengence served like it was served in Punisher; Brutal. I don't want any reason for them to tame down this character.

 

[Kable24]

I've only ever read the Dan Ketch Ghost Rider and this was 10 years ago or so. I don't remember GH killing anyone. I think a GH movie could be brutal with a PG-13 rating.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

No, not all movies have to be rated R. However, a movie that involves deals with devils, flaming motorcycle-ridin' vengence seekers do. Maybe not R, but something more than PG 13. You see, I want to see vengence served like it was served in Punisher; Brutal. I don't want any reason for them to tame down this character.

Agreed. This is quote from Cage that kind of upsets me....He says that he sees the world of comic books as "a fantasy place for children and younger people." Come on...I want a dark story with no holding back. And a comic to movie very similar to this by the name of Spawn was PG-13 and you remember how that turned out. :Shivers in disgust:

 

[BIGGUN]

Also keep in mind Spawn came out in the early 90s...and was just a poor film. from the sound of things the producers and makers are taking their time on GR and that is always a good thing.
its true they could "kiddie-fi" GR but i dont think they will....even though much of the violence in the comics wasnt outright graphic its not kid-friendly either. Marvel has had a great track record of keeping true to the spirit of the comics for their films. yes some things were changed but the heart of the characters and story were there. Arad and Co. would really be smoking something harsh if they do make this overly kid friendly...i just cant see them being that dumb.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Sounds like you are just showing a lot of hope and faith in Marvel but I hope it turns out to be good and not something just made to draw kids in. Just the fact that the guy is supposed to be playing Ghost Rider is saying something like comics are a fantasy place for children...he makes it sound like the ****ing Wizard of Oz....this is a movie that I wanna see dark.

 

[BIGGUN]

If Marvel had the same track record as say Warner then i would be worried....REALLY worried! but so far ive been impressed w/ their film adaptations (since blade). some are better than others sure but ive enjoyed all of them...cant say the same of the WB sadly.
yeah it is hopeful but realistically i cant see GR adapted just for kids. that would piss off alot of long time fans....like myself ...who grew up w/ the character since the 70's. i wouldnt put too much stock into what Cage said. that was right when Goyer left and the R script was dropped. MSJ hadnt joined at that point yet. also keep in mind 9/11 just happened at that time and movies on the whole had to adapt. certain films got canned (tick tock), delayed, or made less violent.
hollywood likes to follow certain trends or formulas...there had been PG 13 films that were very dark and violent (the ring, LOTR trilogy for example) and im sure there is a good chance that the violence in GR could be at that kind of level.

 

[knack]

I'm cautiously optimistic about this film. Daredevil was a good film but could have been so better. The director should have more leeway with Ghost Rider and hopefully that might make for a successful.
A PG-13 film doesn't bother me too much providing the director knows what he is doing. I'm reminded of the scene in Spidey 2 where they are trying to remove Doc Ock's artificial limbs. Raimi created a brilliant scene that skimped on out and out gore but still wouldn't have looked out of place in an Aliens film. Lord of the Rings, the recent Harry Potter film had scenes that some thought might be too much for their ratings. Don't get me wrong, I would prefer a movie that had the same kind of tone as Blade but PG-13 isn't the end of the world.

 

[murdock_matt]

Here's my stance on the Daredevil movie: I've been a Daredevil fan since I was 11 years old despite the fact that I recognized him as a second tier character in the Marvel universe. Let's face it: you can't list DD as one of the five top Marvel books (single characters or teams). On top of the pile is Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, Hulk, X-Men, Captain America - among others who were immediately recognized by the average, non-comic-reading John Q. Public's. So I always thought of it as a far-fetched fantasy to ever see a live-action film based on Daredevil. When the Trial of the Incredible Hulk debuted on television, I resigned myself to the fact that it was the only living, breathing incarnation of old Hornhead I would ever see. And that representation (still) blows.

In comes MSJ with a mission to do Daredevil justice, and in my opinion, he did. The costume was acceptably accurate. Foggy Nelson, Ben Urich, Karen Page (can't wait to see more of her in the Director's Cut), Battlin Jack Murdock, Bullseye, Kingpin, Elektra were all there. And Matt Murdock was still a blind, justice-hungry lawyer/vigilante who got more ass than a toilet seat!

The script was a coherent cut-and-paste job of Frank Miller's greatest storylines. MKC was the best choice for Kingpin. I could go on and on about the finer points of this movie, but I would simply be opening myself up to those highly educated, knee-jerk-reflex-nay-saying retorts of "Ah, man, Daredevil sucked."

It all boils down to this... Daredevil was a dream come true for me. A seemingly impossible dream come true. I mean, Daredevil... in his OWN movie! How awesome is that? And the film more than delivered. And now, MSJ has Ghost Rider. I say, give it to him. It's better to have someone who's passionate about the material, willing to stay true to the comic roots and dedicated to producing a product of love than some flash in the pan director who's just out on some monetary venture.

Give the guy a break! He's a geek who's out there making things happen, instead of sitting around posting hate messages on internet boards.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

MKC was the best choice for Kingpin.

It's better to have someone who's passionate about the material, willing to stay true to the comic roots and dedicated to producing a product of love than some flash in the pan director who's just out on some monetary venture.

Last time I checked Kingpin was a fat white man. Also in the movie you do not see the close relationship Fisk is supposed to have with his son and wife which is something shown in the comics.

 

[murdock_matt]

Listen to MSJ's reasoning for casting Michael Clark Duncan, and you'll have to agree with him. It's not about skin color. It's about presence, it's about size without padded shirts and platform shoes.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Yeah your right...let's make Batman Asian-American, Spider-man Indian.......give me a break. Skin color does not matter in life...yes this is true...but for a comic book characters appearance...it does matter. The characters should look how they look in the comics...period. There are plenty of white guys that are close to MCD's size that could have played Kingpin so don't use that excuse. I think MSJ mainly just picked Duncan for his voice to be honest.

 

[Nero_Ordin]

daredevil is a great movie but just like the hulk we won't see another one. ghost rider should be rated r because it not exactly for kids but i still see it if it is pg13.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I firmly believe Hulk and Daredevil will get sequels.

 

[Aethea]

Nicholas Cage? I wanna VOMIT right now Exorcist Style. This movie will suck!

 

[Red Mask]

I firmly believe Hulk and Daredevil will get sequels.

Someday.

 

[FlameHead]

Last time I checked Kingpin was a fat white man. Also in the movie you do not see the close relationship Fisk is supposed to have with his son and wife which is something shown in the comics.

Kingpin is not fat. He only has 2% body fat. His size is all muscle baby, muscle.
Personally, I have no problem with them using MCD in DareDevil. Where else where they goingi to get a man that large to do that? Nowhere.

As for Ghost Rider, there is no way they are going to make this movie for kids... and I'm sorta pleading with somebody 'up there' when I say that.