Doubting the Ghost Rider Movie

[Angus]

DareDevil was two of the most painful hours I've ever sat through. It was, with some exceptions (Jenn Garner and the guy who played Kingpin whose name I can't recall), tragically casted (Ben Aflec is just pathetic), weakly acted (again, Aflec), poorly written, and horribly directed. The fights sucked, the dialogue was lame, and I am dumber for having seen it (maybe that's why I can't remember that big black dude's name).

My first and only viewing was on DVD, and I reluctantly watched the special features. It was clear that MSJ doesn't know how to make these kind of movies. Even if he did have a good vision for this film, he lacked the ability to transfer it onto the screen. Someone said that the Grumpy Old Men movies were good. Sure, but their about grumpy old men, not action/super heros. Believe it or not, there's a difference. I have no faith in his ability to make this Ghost Rider film even tolerable. Especially with such a weak and obnoxious actor like Nick Cage, who has never been good in anything, in the title role. That's like casting Pee-Wee Herman as the next Terminator.

Ladies and Gentlemen, this movie WILL suck.

 

[PaleRider]

I think this is one of those movies that I will see no matter if it looks crappy or not. I've been waiting for this movie for so long that I'm going to see it no matter what.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Originally posted by Kable24
You don't like MSJ writing? Man he wrote 2 of the all time funniest movies. Grumpy Old Men and Grumpier Old Men. I love those 2 movies.

I never saw those movies, but he wrote the awful Big Bully (with Rick Moranis and Tom Arnold...a piece of crap that i saw a couple of years ago), the amazingly bad Jack Frost and the mediocre Daredevil.

The only movie directed by him that is not that badly written is Simon Birch, but that is because it´s based on a novel.

 

[Kable24]

I recommend seeing Grumpy Old Men. It has a great cast
Jack Lemmon, Walter Malthau, Burgess Meredith, Kevin Pollack, Ann Margeret and Darryl Hannah. Jack and Walter are hilarious in the movie. Grumpier has the same case, but adds Sophia Loren. I've only seen Simon Burch once and thought it was pretty good. Like any writer you have you bad and good scripts. Grumpy and Grumpier are his two best.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Originally posted by TheBatman1979
Okay, you don't read daredevil yet can express an opinion a movie that doesn't follow the characterization that was set in the books. It's like saying I saw Lord of the Rings and thought it was Perfect even though you never read the books which are the basis for the movie or watching anything for that matter that has already been done in another medium and saying that it lived up to what it was supposed to be.

Sheep are people who follow because they can't form their own opinions. To for an opinion you need to be educated on thesubject in order to form an opinion, unless you're a fool. Read young one.

OK, your saying that to form an opinion on a movie, I have to look at every source that they used to make it. That is utter BS. I never read LOTR and never will, but I loved the movies. I can have my opinion on something without reading the source material. I read Frank Miller's Daredevil, and you know what, I also happen to love the Daredevil movie. I also liked Punisher and Hulk if you want to make something of that. When I watch a movie, I watch it thinking that it is a movie, not "thats not how it happend in the comics". Movies to me are movies, and I rate them based on the movie, not how closely they follow the comic.

 

[BlackKnight]

Daredevil actually was close to the orgin of the charater and was a good film.. Never have grasp the major dislike for it, but each to his or her own. As for Ghost Rider if it has a horrible script and they change everything about the charater like they did in CINO then I will pan it, if not I will give it a chance.
Hell I gave the Hulk a chance and felt ill after seeing how the messed up his oragin...

 

[KetchBlaze]

Lets just see how it turns out before we make any judgements. Waddaya think?

 

[Kable24]

Let's see some promo shots of GR and a trailer to even start opinions.

 

[KetchBlaze]

agreed

 

[Spider-Fan]

I also agree.

 

[skorponok]

Originally posted by Kable24
Let's see some promo shots of GR and a trailer to even start opinions.

 

[skorponok]

mmmhmmm...as I said, making a thread to "boycott" something on a message board is...well...useless...

 

[Savage]

Okay, you don't read daredevil yet can express an opinion a movie that doesn't follow the characterization that was set in the books. It's like saying I saw Lord of the Rings and thought it was Perfect even though you never read the books which are the basis for the movie or watching anything for that matter that has already been done in another medium and saying that it lived up to what it was supposed to be.

Umm. Here's a news update for ya: People can like movies WITHOUT knowing the source material. You think many people out there know Road To Perdition and Ghost World were based on comics? Hell I wouldn't be suprised if a few even laughed at the concept but it's the truth. I loved the Lord of The Ring movies but truth be told, never even heard of the books before the movie started being hyped up. I read the Daredevil books. There are different interpretations of the character by different writers but I felt the DD I saw on there was spot on. Affleck got Matt Murdock perfectly and DD as well imo.

Anyway, don't start judging a movie before we even hear anything about it other than script rumor after script rumor. When we get something truly solid, then we can either ***** and moan or praise.

 

[Guyverjay]

DD was horrible

 

[demento]

Anyone who lists The Punisher as their #1 favorite comic-to-film adaptation... ah, nevermind. That movie made me laugh (unintentionally) more frequently than any other that I can recall seeing in my 30+ years.

Daredevil was another swing and a miss, though not on the level of The Punisher. I wouldn't have minded MSJ directing GR but writing it? No way. And please someone, don't let him flood this picture with the same Evanescense-esque quasi-goth nu-metal crap that helped neuter Daredevil. Save that un-atmospheric bullshyte for the next installment of The Real World.

And so, I'm expecting another cinematic abortion from Johnson... but I hope he proves me wrong.

 

[Kable24]

Well, The Punisher is my favorite comic book movie with Daredevil in the top five. My opinions and I stick to them. Nothing anyone will ever say on these boards will ever change my opinions of these movie.

 

[KetchBlaze]

And that affects the GR film how?

 

[Kable24]

Read Dementos post and it will explain my positioning on movies and my opinions. It has absolutely nothing to do with GR. Like how most posts get after the second page. Get over it.

 

[KetchBlaze]

Dont get pi$$y. I misread the page I was on, forgot to quote and ended up posting under you

 

[dk]

Daredevil was a mediocre film. But I respect Mark Steven Johnson's passion for comic books as source material, and understand that DD was an early directing effort for him. It was the first action movie he ever directed. There's lots of room for improvement, but MSJ may be capable of improving with Ghost Rider.

From what he's said, MSJ's version of the story will be much more in-line with the comics than David Goyer's version, which had almost nothing to do with the comics. I'd rather see something I recognize as coming from the comic books.

Danny Ketch fans should probably be happy with the casting of Nic Cage. His age, and the fact that he's a major star might hinder his ability to come back for sequels. If Ghost Rider does well enough to warrant a part 2, they may have to re-cast the lead. That opens it up for Ketch, IMO.

Ghost Rider should never be rated anything but PG-13. No Ghost Rider comic book ever published reflects an R-rating. It's all PG-13 material. Why alter the source material to make it more hardcore? Unless the idea is to lose money.

Boycotting this particular film is a bit premature, IMO. It's really too early to tell. Honestly, there's signs that a more faithful adaptation is being made now than what would have come from Goyer/Norrington. To me, that's encouraging.

 

[BIGGUN]

I've read the Goyer script and its nothing to lose sleep over. overall its pretty mediocre as far as action movies go...if you take GR out it would fit in w/ the majority of action flicks that were coming out of the 80s/early 90s.
Only a highly talented director could make something special out of it...and Norrington would not have been up to the task. GR fans should be happy that this particular script was canned.
i hoping to get a review together and post it on MarvelM's site during the week.

As far as boycotting goes...even if ALL of the GR fans got together and refused to go see it...nothing will happen. Why? there are not that many fans to make a difference and GR is not a well known comic character.
The best thing we can do is make suggestions here at the Hype forum boards or even write to Marvel and just hope that MSJ/Arad are willing to hear them.

 

[KetchBlaze]

I'll be in line to see it, and I'll keep an open mind about it. If it still sucks, then we can discuss it and it's suck-itude in the grand scheme of Marvel Movies

 

[Sgt.FrankCastle]

I guess i will watch ghost rider, and i hope is rules. As for daredevil, was pretty cool, won't complain too much. apart from the see saw fight...eeesh!

 

[KetchBlaze]

Maybe not a large fan base, but we're strong enougn to at least spray paint some nasty things on the walls

 

[X The Bends X]

Actually i was kinda looking foward to the Ghost Rider movie.Lets face it no matter how bad it "might" be it still wont be as bad as Crapwoman