Doubting the Ghost Rider Movie

[theescapeclause]

I think F4 was lame beacuse the comics are lame. Doom is the only cool thing they had. Ghost Rider however, will be awesome. It has way too many cool things going for it. I think I'm most excited about the western vibe. MSJ said he didn't want it to be in New York, so he's going for a Sergio Leone feel for the pic. And if anyone hasn't seen The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly, or Once Upon a Time in the West, you're missin' out.

 

[Uncle Jesse]

what does this even mean?

 

[Cosmic]

Now dont flame me or anything. I was just thinking about this in my head. Ok here was my evaluation i was thinking about

X men 3= Sin city

Superman Returns= Batman Begins

Ghost Rider= Fantastic Four


Now i am not bashing the film or anything cause there is nothing to bash about.

Am i the only one who thinks this why?

I think the comparisons are a bit off the mark. X-Men 3 is a major Hollywood project with legions of dedicated fans just drooling in anticipation. I loved Sin City, but it was a much smaller film than X3, with a smaller target audience. It actually performed far better than I ever thought it would. X3 has the fans who were introduced to the characters thru the first film, hordes of comic fans, the huge built-in fanbases of its popular stars, a ton of money for great special effects...the list just goes on and on. It should be huge.

I see Superman Returns as a mammoth-sized blockbuster...just massive. Batman Begins was excellent, but it had so much working against it. People who thought it was going to be anything like Spider-Man or 1989 are crazy. I still think it performed very well in spite of everything, though.

Fantastic Four was pure trash. I wanted to tear my teeth out. It made a lot of money because of great marketing. The kids just ate it up like candy. Ghost Rider has seasoned pros who've made their way thru decades in the 'biz, making great movies. Peter Fonda, Sam Elliot, Nic Cage...I doubt they would settle for anything even remotely close to FF-level bull****. I'm guessing that GR will perform at least as well as Sin City, and will probably even pick up a good chunk of that movie's audience, as well.

 

[WarBlade]

if any comic book movie will fail it'll be X3

Disagree strongly. X-Men 3 will be a finanancial hit at the box office regardless of whether it's any good or not. It will succeed for the same reason that Phantom Menace succeeded: The predecessors drew the crowds. With an established fan base, and one that was left hanging with the Jean cliffhanger, the only way for X-Men 3 to fail would be if some freak disaster killed the all of the actors before the principle photocraphy is complete.


And in response to the thread in general, I find myself surprised by the hate for the Fantastic Four adaptation in this thread. Is this another one of those "only in SHH" things where films are either extreme successes or extreme failures and nobody uses words like "average" or "decent"? I see many films in the course of the year - It's my job - Fantastic Four to me rates as a middle runner: It will never lead the pack and never be a complete loser. It was decent enough for what it was and while everyone is entitled to like or dislike it, F4 certainly wasn't "crap".

 

[OobeDoobBenubi]

In 2006 theres

Superman Returns / Mission Impossible 3 / Pirates Of The Carribean 2 / X Men 3 & so on Ghost Rider has BIG Competition

 

[Skullbearer]

Wow. Amazing. So many people have already seen Ghost Rider as to make a valid judgement call to the quality of the film. Again, amazing.

 

[Lord Valumart]

Disagree strongly. X-Men 3 will be a finanancial hit at the box office regardless of whether it's any good or not. It will succeed for the same reason that Phantom Menace succeeded: The predecessors drew the crowds. With an established fan base, and one that was left hanging with the Jean cliffhanger, the only way for X-Men 3 to fail would be if some freak disaster killed the all of the actors before the principle photocraphy is complete.

it just seams to me that with the way things are going it's being rushed, cause GR was finished ages ago and it released AFTER X3, and X3 has barely sarted to shoot, it seams to rushed. i know FF was rushed, but it wasn't realy on the scale of X3.

 

[Kuato]

"I see Superman Returns as a mammoth-sized blockbuster..."


Maybe it is just me...but I really don't see Mammoth Blockbuster written over Superman. For starters the casting seems to be off. Secondly I think Superman may be "too old fashioned" for many younger folk these days. Personally at this point I would be surprised if Supes takes in more money than Batman Begins did. Not to mention Superman has been done in the four other films and three tv series as was brought up by someone ele.

Though I absolutely admit that I just flat out don't see the appeal of Superman and never have. I have never understood the vast love for Superman, whereas I can see the love for a character like Spider-Man, Batman, Ghost Rider, Hulk, The Punisher et al. I don't like the character of Kent/Superman in general, always thought the origins of Superman, his weakness to Kryptonite, the lame costume were all bland and uninteresting. Not a fan of one of a single one of the Reeve films...so it would seem that Supes just ain't for me.

 

[Cosmic]

Well, Kuato, no superhero movie has had perfect casting. The vast majority of people going to see these movies have no strong opinions about casting choices, so whatever we might think of who should be playing what parts has little or no bearing on the movies' success or failure.

I think that if you can acknowledge the fact that Superman is vastly popular and widely recognized, as well as being lighter and more kid-friendly than something like Batman Begins, then you can also understand the huge potential that Singer's film has. My prediction is that Superman Returns will succeed in selling itself as a special event, and droves of people who otherwise would not be interested will want to participate.

Most of the people going to see this movie will be seeing Superman on the big screen for the first time. Others will be just as eager to see a new Superman movie as they were to see Batman Begins, even though the timespan between BB and B&R was much shorter than the span between SR and Superman IV, and despite the fact that B&R was hated much more widely and deeply than Superman IV. So, the previous movies and TV series will be far from a hindrance. Rather, people who've seen Superman before, and enjoyed what they saw, will be among the most dedicated audiences, assuming all goes well.

But even more than that, I personally believe there are lots of people who feel just the same way you do about Superman in general, but it won't keep them from going to see this movie when it comes out...

 

[FlameHead]

Um, I'm not even sure what your asking here. Are you wondering if Ghost Rider will make the money that FF did or be a the quality of film that it was?

Either way, I really liked Fantastic Four. I thought it was a fun movie with some awesome characters. If Ghost Rider comes out that good, awesome. I do expect it to be even better though... but that's because I'm a huge fan of the character and believe the image of Ghost Rider will rule 2006.

 

[Darth Elektra]

I don't see why everybody thinks Supes will be so great, it's been done already, everybody knows the story, theres been 3 movies and 2 TV shows. I probably won't even see it at the show.

I aggree,Unless superman looks extremly cool,I wont be checking this movie out in the theaters!

 

[Darth Elektra]

Now dont flame me or anything. I was just thinking about this in my head. Ok here was my evaluation i was thinking about

X men 3= Sin city

Superman Returns= Batman Begins

Ghost Rider= Fantastic Four


Now i am not bashing the film or anything cause there is nothing to bash about.

Am i the only one who thinks this why?

Just in America:
Xmen 3=250-350(it competes with,Da Code,and MI3)
Superman=150-300(Im not sure what it competes with)
Ghost Rider=100-200(cmpetes with POTC2)

 

[blades_shades]

Ghost Rider is a difficult box office to predict. It's all in the presentation and the ad campaign on this one. If they do a FF type job on the ad campaign it could pull it big numbers for a Grider film. Without seeing it I'd expect a 80 million domestic total. If it's presented in a quality way and the reviews are fun...or if it's a very fun movie it could make over 100. I highly doubt there is a chance of 150 million. That would be crazy. It doesn't have the broad appeal of FF or X-Men so under 100 is the most likely scenerio.

 

[FlameHead]

I'm not sure you can count on a FF ad campaign because I really don't see Ghost Rider bein' on bags of chips and such. It's quite difficult to predict what exactly they're going to do...

I do have much faith that it'll make over 100 mill though... and beyond. I believe that die hard Marvel fans will fill the seats. Plus, I think they'll get Blade fans because they're similar in tone (and relate to each other much in the comics). Other than that, fans of DD will support MSJ. In addition, it's a summer movie and that's when people check out movies. That alone with bring cash. 100 mill, easy. 150 is not out of the question.

 

[Kritish]

That Ghostrider is gonna be the next Daredevil or Punisher (04 version) . I just don't see it being the next spider-man in the box office. It will probally only have a cult following.
Frankly, Ghostrider just isn't a recognizable character to most people. If you show a picture of him odds are most people won't know who he is. Unlike say spider-man or batman.
Don't take this as a Ghostrider bash I'm merely saying I'm worried about how it will do box office wise.

 

[Nivek]

If they make it more of a Horror/Revenge flick, it will work. If they try to throw in too much stupid comedy set ups like fighting in a playground or goofy scenery chewing villian who dont do anything, we're in trouble.

 

[BIGGUN]

Who cares?!
seriously...i am well prepared (and expecting) GR to NOT do well at the box office. ive been a long time fan of the character and it has NEVER gained that much attention from the public or most comic book collectors. i still hear complaints saying he is just a flashy looking character w/ weak stories and he was nothing more than a gimmick character.
critics will more than likely trash the movie and it will probably have a hard time making its money back.
if that happens will this make me enjoy the movie less? course not....i just want a movie that is well done and be true as much as possible to the character/story. if i get that i will be more than happy...and its looking good from what ive seen/heard so far

in the end it boils down to this.... Ghost Rider simply isnt a character for everyone....and many just have to accept this.

 

[Mr Nick]

No, it ain't gonna do Spidey business! But if it's exciting, engrossing and well-made, there's no reason to think it won't be a hit.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I thought that the Punisher and the Daredevil Directors Cut were great movies so if Ghost Rider ends up like them I will be a happy camper. And Lord Siva you could have said the same thing as Blade. People didn't know **** about the character and it became a franchise.

 

[Uncanny Orb]

I think it will do just fine providing the marketing is done, I don't think it matters that nobody knows who he is. If they can get enough people to see his image and that Nic Cage is in it people will go.

 

[NDX]

Even though I can see this movie not doing well in the box office, the appeal of the character alone will draw in fans. Also the time of year will be prime for this film.

Plus what does it matter what the box office does? As long as the film is good (to my standards) I can die happy. Been waiting for a movie since 1992, and been following the progression of this movie since 1999.

 

[FlameHead]

I don't understand why people are so obsessed about how much money the movie will make. Why can't you just go to the cinema, sit down, eat some popcorn and forget about the box office. If you like it, that's all that matters.

If you really care about the box office, then why don't you do some promoting of the flick yourself. Tell your friends how great the director is and how freakin' cool the character is. Get them excited about it and hopefully they'll check it out. That'll rise the B.O. numbers by some at least.

As for Punisher and DareDevil... I thought they were great movies. Well, DD directors cut anyway. I didn't hate the theatrical, but the DC version was a million times better. Punisher did awesome on DVD and would have done better in theatres if it didn't go up against Kill Bill 2.

Having said that, I still truly believe that the movie will be a sleeper hit and indeed will make it's money back... at the very least. I have faith... and lots of it.

 

[Nivek]

but to me, the Punisher 04 flick had as many issues as the Dolph flick. The location, the villians, and some other small yet annoying details really took me out of the film. Betweem the Dolph and Hensleigh film, theres a good Punisher flick, and a film of failed cliches and stupid neighbors.

Daredevil? I personally think Affleck didn't really suit the part, the leather costume was a bit unconventional, and Kingpin was miscast. Havn't seen the directors cut, but I thought the film wasn't that bad.

I have a small grain of hope for Ghost Rider. I really want to like it, but I feel let down by many recent Marvel movies, so I cant let myself get hyped for it.

 

[hellfiremaster]

Well in all honesty I believe it will not do well outside of comic book fans. Spiderman, as much as I dislike the character, is Marvel's cornerstone character. I think Spiderman even if the movie sucked, would have done well because of the mass appeal. The Hulk should have done better, but IMHO it was weak.

I think Daredevil, Elecktra, Blade, GR, great characters, but only to comic book geeks. This is why I chuckle everytime I see.. Deathlok movie in the works, or some other minimal character getting a movie. Hey get ready for Ashlee Simpson as "Jubilee" in her own flick.. yeah.. woohoo..

I think the GR movie would have to be a cut above Spiderman just to break even. Going to be tough... I think each one of us will have to pay to see the movie 250x just to make a dent.. lol

HFM

 

[Darth Elektra]

I think Daredevil, Elecktra, Blade, GR, great characters, but only to comic book geeks. This is why I chuckle everytime I see.. Deathlok movie in the works, or some other minimal character getting a movie. Hey get ready for Ashlee Simpson as "Jubilee" in her own flick.. yeah.. woohoo..

HFM

I would have to aggree,BUT thats what you(the studio/director) has to get across something that would make other people want to see the movie,but yet stay true to the comics,its hard to do that,and frankly not many have been able to do it.