Horror Dr. Lecter Invites you to Dinner. The ''Hannibal'' Thread - Part 5

[Broseph44]

I don't need them to do Lambs full blown, but a loose adaption of it incorporating Will and Hannibal would be wonderful.

 

[Matt]

I don't need them to do Lambs full blown, but a loose adaption of it incorporating Will and Hannibal would be wonderful.

If you incorporate Will, it ceases to be Silence of the Lambs.

At any rate, I'd really rather not see this show brought back. Season 3 was awful. It was Tumblr fan fiction awful. This is a classic example of a show that bought into its own hype and suffered from it. If the revival movement is a success, it'll be like Family Guy, in which it is brought back so the writers think they are infallible, second guess nothing, and the quality takes a nose dive as a result. We already saw that with season 3 following the big fan effort to save it after season 2. That said, I still don't think it will be revived as I don't think there is a network willing to pay the money needed to produce what was a niche show.

 

[Smilodon]

Didn't Fuller say his planned Season 4 would be done in the way of Angel Heart/Inception? I could see the whole season being an extended dream sequence within Hannibal's head as he and Will fall off that cliff, with Season 5 being Silence of the Lambs.

I think that was one of the ideas, but he also said it was going to be he expanded from just like, a single line from the novels. Similar to how S1 was just Will/Hannibal pre-Red Dragon. Perhaps Will and Hannibal are in Argentina, like the end of Hannibal the novel.

 

[Matt Mortem]

At any rate, I'd really rather not see this show brought back. Season 3 was awful. It was Tumblr fan fiction awful. This is a classic example of a show that bought into its own hype and suffered from it. If the revival movement is a success, it'll be like Family Guy, in which it is brought back so the writers think they are infallible, second guess nothing, and the quality takes a nose dive as a result. We already saw that with season 3 following the big fan effort to save it after season 2. That said, I still don't think it will be revived as I don't think there is a network willing to pay the money needed to produce what was a niche show.

Yeah it was.

Also, by the time we hit Season 3 we'd seen killers way more heinous than Dolarhyde. The Red Dragon seemed somewhat tame.

 

[Broseph44]

If you incorporate Will, it ceases to be Silence of the Lambs.

At any rate, I'd really rather not see this show brought back. Season 3 was awful. It was Tumblr fan fiction awful. This is a classic example of a show that bought into its own hype and suffered from it. If the revival movement is a success, it'll be like Family Guy, in which it is brought back so the writers think they are infallible, second guess nothing, and the quality takes a nose dive as a result. We already saw that with season 3 following the big fan effort to save it after season 2. That said, I still don't think it will be revived as I don't think there is a network willing to pay the money needed to produce what was a niche show.

I know Will is not part of the Lambs story but if they do Lambs, Will is still around so how else could they do it and not involve him?

Also am I the only one that enjoyed season 3? I guess I am

 

[Matt]

I know Will is not part of the Lambs story but if they do Lambs, Will is still around so how else could they do it and not involve him?

To be honest, I don't think you can. Silence of the Lambs is so much so and so distinctly the story of Clarice and Lecter's relationship. Every other character exists solely to push the two of those toward one another (or a goal related to one another). Crawford, Buffalo Bill, Chilton . . . they aren't so much characters in their own right as much as they are plot devices acting on the Clarice/Lecter relationship.

If you throw in an element like Will Graham and his relationship with Lecter, it kind of blows everything up. Keep in mind, the notion of Graham and Lecter having any type of relationship (platonic, sexual, professional, or otherwise), only really exists in this show. In the novels, Will caught Hannibal upon his first time meeting him, and that was pretty much it. There is no personal relationship (aside from taunting holiday cards from Lecter). There is no partnership. Their relationship in the novel Red Dragon is minimal, I think they share one scene and it is just Lecter taunting Graham. Everything else is Graham using Lecter as a tool and Lecter arranging for Graham to be targeted by Dolarhyde, purely out of revenge for incarcerating Lecter, nothing else.

This is important, because their relationship is the basis for Lecter's existence in the showverse. Any act from Will would have monumental impact on Lecter. His character would have to respond out of necessity. The two are too intertangled to be separated. As such, the dynamic between Will and Hannibal simply existing drastically alters who Hannibal Lecter is as a character. Because Silence of the Lambs is so much an exploration of the Clarice/Lecter dynamic and relationship, by drastically altering the character of Lecter, you drastically alter Silence of the Lambs.

Or tl;dr - Too much of the character of Lecter has been changed to do an adaptation of what is essentially a character study of Lecter and Clarice. You could certainly tell a story akin to it, but it will be a different story all together. Its like doing King Kong but adding another woman whom Kong loves into the mix. It changes everything so its not really the same story, but rather just a story featuring Kong.

 

[Broseph44]

To be honest, I don't think you can. Silence of the Lambs is so much so and so distinctly the story of Clarice and Lecter's relationship. Every other character exists solely to push the two of those toward one another (or a goal related to one another). Crawford, Buffalo Bill, Chilton . . . they aren't so much characters in their own right as much as they are plot devices acting on the Clarice/Lecter relationship.

If you throw in an element like Will Graham and his relationship with Lecter, it kind of blows everything up. Keep in mind, the notion of Graham and Lecter having any type of relationship (platonic, sexual, professional, or otherwise), only really exists in this show. In the novels, Will caught Hannibal upon his first time meeting him, and that was pretty much it. There is no personal relationship (aside from taunting holiday cards from Lecter). There is no partnership. Their relationship in the novel Red Dragon is minimal, I think they share one scene and it is just Lecter taunting Graham. Everything else is Graham using Lecter as a tool and Lecter arranging for Graham to be targeted by Dolarhyde, purely out of revenge for incarcerating Lecter, nothing else.

This is important, because their relationship is the basis for Lecter's existence in the showverse. Any act from Will would have monumental impact on Lecter. His character would have to respond out of necessity. The two are too intertangled to be separated. As such, the dynamic between Will and Hannibal simply existing drastically alters who Hannibal Lecter is as a character. Because Silence of the Lambs is so much an exploration of the Clarice/Lecter dynamic and relationship, by drastically altering the character of Lecter, you drastically alter Silence of the Lambs.

Or tl;dr - Too much of the character of Lecter has been changed to do an adaptation of what is essentially a character study of Lecter and Clarice. You could certainly tell a story akin to it, but it will be a different story all together. Its like doing King Kong but adding another woman whom Kong loves into the mix. It changes everything so its not really the same story, but rather just a story featuring Kong.

I know I get all that, I'm familiar with all of this trust me (film wise) and now with the tv series. Just saying I'm wondering what they'd have to do if they did go the Lambs route even if so loosely based. I still trust Fuller. Cause like I said I did enjoy season 3, seems I might be in the minority but that happens to me a lot.

 

[slimshady247]

I know I get all that, I'm familiar with all of this trust me (film wise) and now with the tv series. Just saying I'm wondering what they'd have to do if they did go the Lambs route even if so loosely based. I still trust Fuller. Cause like I said I did enjoy season 3, seems I might be in the minority but that happens to me a lot.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/hannibal/s03

You're not.

 

[Sawyer]

Eh. I'm not on board with Matt's take on that season, but it is definitely my least favorite of the three.

It had it's moments, though.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I think that was one of the ideas, but he also said it was going to be he expanded from just like, a single line from the novels. Similar to how S1 was just Will/Hannibal pre-Red Dragon. Perhaps Will and Hannibal are in Argentina, like the end of Hannibal the novel.

What I think, is that the proposed 4th season would be Hannibal and Will in Argentina cannibalising people and what have you, with little things throughout the season seeming "off" to Hannibal or Will and then the reveal being that it's all a dream or hallucination of one of them as they fall from the cliff and have the season end with Will dying when they hit the water. Then Season 5 would pick up some time later, Hannibal back in prison and in a completely different state of mind so that when Clarice shows up it can have it's own space.

 

[Smilodon]

What I think, is that the proposed 4th season would be Hannibal and Will in Argentina cannibalising people and what have you, with little things throughout the season seeming "off" to Hannibal or Will and then the reveal being that it's all a dream or hallucination of one of them as they fall from the cliff and have the season end with Will dying when they hit the water. Then Season 5 would pick up some time later, Hannibal back in prison and in a completely different state of mind so that when Clarice shows up it can have it's own space.

I personally believe there isn't even maybe half a season's worth of material you could get out of Will/Hannibal at this point. Either Will rejects Hannibal fully, or he becomes one with the monster.

I'd like to see a few eps dedicated to concluding Will/Hannibal in a S4, then a prologue to Clarice Starling where Fuller gets to craft some original stories with her, then S5 is Silence of the Lambs.

Of course, it is Fuller after all, and he could surprise us once more.

 

[Matt]

What I think, is that the proposed 4th season would be Hannibal and Will in Argentina cannibalising people and what have you, with little things throughout the season seeming "off" to Hannibal or Will and then the reveal being that it's all a dream or hallucination of one of them as they fall from the cliff and have the season end with Will dying when they hit the water. Then Season 5 would pick up some time later, Hannibal back in prison and in a completely different state of mind so that when Clarice shows up it can have it's own space.

An entire season that is deus ex machina'ed as "it was a dream"?

I could not think of a bigger slap in the face to fans of this, or any program, than to have a revival movement for a show, bring it back after several years and then have the entire season turn out to be a dream.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Eh, right off the bat it makes the most sense given that Angel Heart and Inception are what Fuller referred to as being the big inspirations for his season 4 idea and both deal with protagonists being caught in dreams and nightmarish fantasies. Given the nature of this show nothing would surprise me, especially with how they approached the first half of Season 3.

Plus, a Deus Ex Machina doesn't work that way.

 

[Schlosser85]

I think that's a ridiculous idea frankly. No one wants to waste their time on a whole season that didn't "really" happen.

 

[squeekness]

I know Will is not part of the Lambs story but if they do Lambs, Will is still around so how else could they do it and not involve him?

Also am I the only one that enjoyed season 3? I guess I am

Nope. I thought it was brilliant. I'd love for this to come back.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Eh. I'm not on board with Matt's take on that season, but it is definitely my least favorite of the three.

It had it's moments, though.

I loved S3 until it got to Red Dragon, Armitage was great but they didn't give him half as much to do as they should have, would've been nice to see them go into his childhood like the book did, and they went way overboard on the Will/Hannibal relationship and went into fanfiction territory.

 

[Broseph44]

Nope. I thought it was brilliant. I'd love for this to come back.

Awesome t:

 

[squeekness]

Great minds think alike.

 

[TheFuture]

An entire season that is deus ex machina'ed as "it was a dream"?

I could not think of a bigger slap in the face to fans of this, or any program, than to have a revival movement for a show, bring it back after several years and then have the entire season turn out to be a dream.

This show has never played it straight so I wouldn't see it as a slap in the face. It wouldn't surprise me if Fuller delved into a bit of reality bending while leaving it up to the viewer for a while to figure out what's real and what isn't.

Besides, I don't think the show could frustrate me any more than it did than in the first half of season 3.

 

[Guts]

If you incorporate Will, it ceases to be Silence of the Lambs.

At any rate, I'd really rather not see this show brought back. Season 3 was awful. It was Tumblr fan fiction awful. This is a classic example of a show that bought into its own hype and suffered from it. If the revival movement is a success, it'll be like Family Guy, in which it is brought back so the writers think they are infallible, second guess nothing, and the quality takes a nose dive as a result. We already saw that with season 3 following the big fan effort to save it after season 2. That said, I still don't think it will be revived as I don't think there is a network willing to pay the money needed to produce what was a niche show.

Knowing how people reacted to Jame Gumb, I wonder how the tumblr fans will react to him in season 4.

 

[flickchick85]

I liked S3, but I agree it was the weakest. I'm dying to see Fuller's version of Silence of the Lambs now, though. At the same time, I don't want them to shoehorn Will into it. I say they spend the first few episodes wrapping up Hannibal/Will, give Will a proper send off, then time jump into SotL.

I actually don't hate Roose's dream suggestion, but I'd hate it for a whole season. If you did one episode like that, or two at most, I could dig it.

 

[Angelus_Darko]

If you incorporate Will, it ceases to be Silence of the Lambs.

At any rate, I'd really rather not see this show brought back. Season 3 was awful. It was Tumblr fan fiction awful. This is a classic example of a show that bought into its own hype and suffered from it. If the revival movement is a success, it'll be like Family Guy, in which it is brought back so the writers think they are infallible, second guess nothing, and the quality takes a nose dive as a result. We already saw that with season 3 following the big fan effort to save it after season 2. That said, I still don't think it will be revived as I don't think there is a network willing to pay the money needed to produce what was a niche show.

The Red Dragon part was totally that. The moment I saw Hannibal's cell I knew that Fuller stopped giving a ****, knowing that they got cancelled. So, all the crazy ideas got green-lit.

 

[See Cap Run]

Bump

I just finished reading through the thread and noticed that we've arrived at the four years since 2016 mark. Any more news on a possible revival?

 

[antsman41]

Fuller is still “trying”, but nothing really - sadly.

After showing my girlfriend Fargo, Mr. Robot, The Leftovers... we’re now onto Hannibal. In the middle
of season 1, she’s so not ready for the craziness of the next two seasons.

This show is still so sexy, smart, horrific, and sickly funny.

 

[Boom]

I just need Netflix to resurrect this for 1 or 2 more seasons. I need Mads as Lecter in Silence of the Lambs.