Horror Dr. Lecter Invites you to Dinner. The ''Hannibal'' Thread - Part 5

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[Black Narcissus]

Any word on this being picked up yet? I don't want to start watching it and have the series end without proper finale.

 

[antsman41]

I like them not dwelling into his backstory... it leaves it up to imagination and sometimes making 'reasons' for a killer/psycho is not necessary or just wrought. It's like the Joker, I don't need to know why he is what he is...

Just D's house, his demeanor, his view about other's view upon him, and his reaction to Will's "diagnosis" tell me enough while ignoring what I already know.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I don't think you can compare Dolarhyde to the Joker, because the Joker shows up fully formed. Dolarhyde isn't an absolute creature, he's struggling with mental illness and is still capable of feeling love and empathy for others. He comes across as a very broken and sick man who has been driven to this point by something. One of the great things about the novel Red Dragon was that Thomas Harris basically showed how you can take an innocent child and just absolutely ruin him through systematic cruelty and extreme apathy, and it's a theme that continues throughout his works and in every version we've seen in novel, film, and even in this very show. Look at Georgia Magden in Season One.

Characters like Mason Verger and Hannibal himself, those are your Joker characters, they don't require backstories because they show up as fully formed monsters. And yet the show even touched on both characters origins. Given that they've delved into those characters, and the fact that Francis' history is so much richer and unexplored in any medium outside the novel, it would be stupid for Fuller to pass it up.

But Grandmother Dolarhyde is appearing in 2 eps this season, so if IMDB has any validity, we might just see some of his backstory in the finale as Francis moves into his endgame.

 

[Shifty]

Any word on this being picked up yet? I don't want to start watching it and have the series end without proper finale.

You're going to want to watch, a beautifully dark and gory show. Each season finale works as a series finale, this one should too.

Sounds like they'll try a movie/TV movie/mini-series, but it might be 2 years until we see anything.

 

[Sawyer]

I'm okay with [blackout]Freddie Lounds' demise being given to Chilton[/blackout] within this show's narrative, but I would like to see her being given some sort of comeuppance at some point, preferably at Hannibal's hand. Unfortunately, with only one episode left (provided we aren't granted with a miracle pick-up), I doubt we'll get it.

 

[rogue trooper]

I don't think you can compare Dolarhyde to the Joker, because the Joker shows up fully formed. Dolarhyde isn't an absolute creature, he's struggling with mental illness and is still capable of feeling love and empathy for others. He comes across as a very broken and sick man who has been driven to this point by something. One of the great things about the novel Red Dragon was that Thomas Harris basically showed how you can take an innocent child and just absolutely ruin him through systematic cruelty and extreme apathy, and it's a theme that continues throughout his works and in every version we've seen in novel, film, and even in this very show. Look at Georgia Magden in Season One.

Characters like Mason Verger and Hannibal himself, those are your Joker characters, they don't require backstories because they show up as fully formed monsters. And yet the show even touched on both characters origins. Given that they've delved into those characters, and the fact that Francis' history is so much richer and unexplored in any medium outside the novel, it would be stupid for Fuller to pass it up.

But Grandmother Dolarhyde is appearing in 2 eps this season, so if IMDB has any validity, we might just see some of his backstory in the finale as Francis moves into his endgame.

Indeed. Dolarhyde is more on this side of Norman Bates and Leatherface. Also, on a related matter, I think it'd be fun if next week there could be a Carpenter's Halloween-inspired scene were someone who treated or was close to Dolarhyde(maybe Grandma Dolarhyde) describes Francis as a child in a most creepy way ala Loomis with Michael Myers(a kinda' nod, maybe). Long shot, but a fun thought.

 

[DarkSovereignty]

Didn't we see a bit of his childhood in a flashback a few episodes back?

 

[Tron Bonne]

Indeed. Dolarhyde is more on this side of Norman Bates and Leatherface. Also, on a related matter, I think it'd be fun if next week there could be a Carpenter's Halloween-inspired scene were someone who treated or was close to Dolarhyde(maybe Grandma Dolarhyde) describes Francis as a child in a most creepy way ala Loomis with Michael Myers(a kinda' nod, maybe). Long shot, but a fun thought.

Considering how it'll be the last episode, definitely not.

Didn't we see a bit of his childhood in a flashback a few episodes back?

Yeah, but it was only for like 3 seconds, and it was segued weird. It made me think it was a young Hannibal since it came right after a scene with him I think.

 

[Matt Mortem]

My problem with Red Dragon within the confines of this show is that we've seen way crazier, and way more dangerous psycho's in the series. Without a look into Dolarhyde's back story it feels almost insignificant.

 

[slimshady247]

Not really.

 

[Maximus One]

We have seen more extreme psychos and murders BUT, we haven't seen nearly as much time dedicated to any of them. Also, aside from Pitt and Anderson both as Mason, we have had nowhere near such an outstanding performance as Armitage. I had no idea that guy is such an amazing actor. I'd love to see him play Namor.

 

[Sawyer]

I keep thinking back to this past episode. I genuinely can't believe it's taken me 2 seasons and 12 episodes (not to mention one episode before it ends, possibly for good) to actually be taken aback by a piece of gore/violence on the show.

The only thing that comes close for me is what happened to Mason, and at least A.) he was a terrible enough person that it wasn't all that upsetting, and B.) it was sort of played for laughs, albeit in a really disturbing way. This was just undeniably f***ed up, even if Chilton was kind of an a**hole.

 

[Roose Bolton]

They used the morbid humour to defuse the horror of the Mason scene. So every time you get to that point Mason just drops another ****ed up joke and the tension is relieved. In principle the concept of a man cutting his own face off and eating parts of it is worse than "just" losing lips, but the fact was that the latter situation was done 100% for horror sake and made it all the more...realistic.

If Mason had been screaming instead of laughing it would of been pretty disturbing.

 

[hellblazer103]

They used the morbid humour to defuse the horror of the Mason scene. So every time you get to that point Mason just drops another ****ed up joke and the tension is relieved. In principle the concept of a man cutting his own face off and eating parts of it is worse than "just" losing lips, but the fact was that the latter situation was done 100% for horror sake and made it all the more...realistic.

If Mason had been screaming instead of laughing it would of been pretty disturbing.

you seem to have forgotten the part where he was glued to a chair and set on fire, having his entire body burnt.

 

[Roose Bolton]

We have seen people burned alive before on this show, so that to me wasn't a big shocking thing. (Though him surving and not being in an induced coma was ****ed up.) As for the glue, well, as American Pie taught us, Paint thinner can fix that up in a snap


There's going to be an after-credits scene like last year, so stay through the whole thing.
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[Sawyer]

Yeah, the lip thing was more upsetting than him being set on fire, strangely enough. I mean, being set on fire obviously isn't great, but something about the lip-biting really set me off.

 

[slimshady247]

http://nbchannibal.tumblr.com/post/127646438164/meat-is-back-on-the-menu-for-hannibals-third

 

[Smilodon]

I'm really curious as to see what will happen, since Fuller was talking about how the end of the season might determine whether the series would need a continuation elsewhere instead of ending it there. Fuller's gonna resume talks of saving the show after the finale, so I hope something comes of the talks, be it some Sherlock-esque 3 episode thing or a movie or something. I feel like a whole season isn't even necessary anymore, and something like True Detective's 8 episodes or GoT's 10 episodes or hell this X-Files's 6 episode miniseries would be perfectly adequate.

 

[slimshady247]

Yeah, I'm down for a miniseries (or three, haha).

 

[Smilodon]

I think 8-10 episodes is the perfect amount to be honest, especially if they can be made into 55-60 minute episodes. After that all he needs are the rights to Clarice, Jame Gumb and Barney.

 

[slimshady247]

After seeing the glory of a show like Luther, I'd even be fine with 4 to 6 episodes for any potential new seasons.

Extending the runtime would indeed be very nice as well.

 

[Broseph44]

Yeah, I'm down for a miniseries (or three, haha).

Yeah man me too, just want more of this show.

 

[antsman41]

Yeah, one big or 3-5 mini movies would be great.

Does anyone have a thought that Hannibal might break out at the end, even though a Silence adaption would be the logical next step?