Dragonball Z Movie

[Legion]

What? How hard was it to understand? I think the clue that Goku wasn't gonna just be written off was the fact that he was in every episode after the fight with Raditz... and the fact that it was agreed he was gonna be revived. You're acting like Piccolo dies for Gohan during the first episode... there was plenty of time for their bond to develop as they trained.

With Piccolo's death there's more going on than just his bonding with Gohan during their training. Piccolo was the Demon King an incorruptible evil that plagued the earth for years. He was also responsible for the deaths of a couple of our heroes.

Piccolo is also linked to Kami-sama, the God of the Earth. So when he sacrifices himself to save this young boy, the son of his arch enemy, he is also sacrificing God's life. He also does this knowing that neither he nor any of the others who died would be able to come back to life. Kami even admits that he had redeemed himself and had surpassed even him. When you think of it like this I thnk it has more impact than just "The green guy who loves Gohan."

And like I said before, when the show starts with the arrival of the saiyans, it assumes we already know about Goku's accomplishments and his power. We should be amazed that the Goku and Piccolo team happened. We should be shocked that Goku died, you'd think he was the one character who wouldn't die.

And again they hardly talked about the Dragon Balls themselves or where they came from, the dieties and mythology surrounding them.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Dragonball is TERRIBLE. DBZ is waaayyy better...its not even funny.

no but this quote is. you're crazy if you think DBZ is far better than DB. i understand why some people like DBZ over DB but DB had more fun and adventure than DBZ. as awesome and epic as many of the fights are, DBZ is really just a bunch of melodrama and screaming.

 

[Sentinel X]

no but this quote is. you're crazy if you think DBZ is far better than DB. i understand why some people like DBZ over DB but DB had more fun and adventure than DBZ. as awesome and epic as many of the fights are, DBZ is really just a bunch of melodrama and screaming.

Highly subjective statement.

Anyways, I completely disagree. I found the DBZ story to be far more interesting and engaging. Was it way too action oriented at times? Definitely...but don't forget it is a show designed for little boys hence the screaming and prolonged fights. But if you trim down the sagas and take away those pointless filler episodes where Goku or Vegeta is powering up for an ENTIRE episode....its pretty good.

 

[wattabrownsound]

For those that say DBZ is better than DB, why is that? Other than better action how are the villains, the stakes and so on better?

 

[scatterax]

idc where it start as long as it's good and the backround to the dragonballs and characters is explained near the biginning.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Highly subjective statement.

i don't think so. granted, i stopped watching DBZ after Frieza...up until then the only sense of traveling adventure was Bulma and co. flying to Namek. however, in DB you were introduced to a new environment pretty much every week. that ALONE makes DB feel more adventurous than DBZ. also, the FACT (not opinion) that DB was more comedic based lends itself to feel more FUN than DBZ, which sacrificed much of it's comedy in turn for lots of melodrama.

 

[wattabrownsound]

If they reboot DB and have kid Goku then move on to a DBZ and he's an adult should they have a movie in between to explain certain things. Like does Goku encounter any big villains like King Piccolo in between or is there peace on Earth from kid to adult life; does Goku and gang stop looking for the dragon ball and if so why; and what's up with Piccolo until his appearance in DBZ?

 

[wattabrownsound]

I'm now watching the King Piccolo saga and there's a problem I think I found with translating DB into a single movie.

The King Piccolo saga occurs after the BK tournament but the tournament itself occurs after Goku collects the seven dragon balls and they turn to stone for a year.

So that would mean Goku and Bulma would have to collect all seven very quickly, make a wish, the dragon balls turn to stone, Goku goes to train with Roshi, he and Krillin enter the tournament, Krillin's killed, more than a year passes by and now King Piccolo is in search for the dragon balls.

With the show they had time to set all this up but to jam it all in one movie would seem rushed.

I'm thinking the tournament should be cut from a DB movie but that would affect certain things like the set-up of Tien and Chiaotzu, the death of Krillin and King Piccolo's motive to kill all the martial artists.

 

[spidey-dude]

never a huge fan of dbz - loved dragonball though, in fact i like dbz up untill the end of the frieza saga - goku sacrificing himself like that is a good ending......maybe the cell saga wasnt too bad, but it was definatly downhill after frieza imo


yet surprisingly trunks has always been my fav character

 

[GhostPoet]

So, I watched Dragon Ball Kai a few nights ago and had a dream about a live action dragonball movie...I think it would be fairly easy to adapt MOST of the series style into live action. Think of it as a mix of Kung Fu Hustle meets Scott Pilgrim vs. the World (in style only)

 

[DorkyFresh]

I'm now watching the King Piccolo saga and there's a problem I think I found with translating DB into a single movie.

The King Piccolo saga occurs after the BK tournament but the tournament itself occurs after Goku collects the seven dragon balls and they turn to stone for a year.

So that would mean Goku and Bulma would have to collect all seven very quickly, make a wish, the dragon balls turn to stone, Goku goes to train with Roshi, he and Krillin enter the tournament, Krillin's killed, more than a year passes by and now King Piccolo is in search for the dragon balls.

With the show they had time to set all this up but to jam it all in one movie would seem rushed.

I'm thinking the tournament should be cut from a DB movie but that would affect certain things like the set-up of Tien and Chiaotzu, the death of Krillin and King Piccolo's motive to kill all the martial artists.

i was actually thinking about how they would fit so many events into 1 movie. they'd obviously need to omit and move certain events. for instance, i honestly wouldn't want Krillin to die until the sequel. i also think it would be hard to pull off the tournament in a significant manner if you include other big events, such as the Red Ribbon Army. not to mention collecting 7 dragon balls. imo, the actual collection of the 7 Dragon balls should feel like an Indiana Jones movie. sure it'll have more tech, but it should share that same sense of fun and adventure. characters like Tien and Chiaotzu should probably be left as either cameos or characters who just make an appearance but don't effect the story.

 

[DorkyFresh]

So, I watched Dragon Ball Kai a few nights ago and had a dream about a live action dragonball movie...I think it would be fairly easy to adapt MOST of the series style into live action. Think of it as a mix of Kung Fu Hustle meets Scott Pilgrim vs. the World (in style only)

so many people thought DB wouldn't translate well to screen, but i really don't think it would be too hard. i think a great concoction for a live action DB movie would be...

Kung Fu Hustle's comedy
Matrix Reloaded's fighting sequences
Speed Racer/Scott Pilgrim's style (SR's speed lines/SP's "bam/pow" effects)
Avatar/5th Element's cinematography (Avatar's Pandora/5th Element's cityscapes)
Hellboy's creature effects
Indiana Jones' artifact hunting
Star Trek-09's villain/Last Dragon's villain

 

[Majin...]

~$ 900 000 000...yep we don't ask for much

 

[wattabrownsound]

Krillin dying in a sequel when he died in the King Piccolo Saga, lol the purists will screaming blue murder DorkyFresh.

As for Krillin's death, I don't know if it should only happen once either in the King Piccolo or Frieza saga or both times. They both have a reason for happening.

I think the bulging eyeballs and falling down when Roshi or someone makes a wierd comment should also be omitted from a live action DB movie.

I'd really like to see Korin's Tower, it would make an amazing set piece.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

i don't think so. granted, i stopped watching DBZ after Frieza...up until then the only sense of traveling adventure was Bulma and co. flying to Namek. however, in DB you were introduced to a new environment pretty much every week. that ALONE makes DB feel more adventurous than DBZ. also, the FACT (not opinion) that DB was more comedic based lends itself to feel more FUN than DBZ, which sacrificed much of it's comedy in turn for lots of melodrama.

That definitely is 100% fact. I'm rewatching DBZ with DBZ Kai, and I realized that after watching Dragon Ball (when I was younger, DBZ premiered in the US before Dragon Ball), it was very easy to see how hard the DBZ writers tried to distance themselves away from Dragon Ball.

Hell, most of them died in the beginning, which sent a message that this is a more serious series than Dragon Ball.

Dragon Ball was a much more fun adventure to watch that had less filler, a more comedic tone, more characters fully developed, and more environments.

never a huge fan of dbz - loved dragonball though, in fact i like dbz up untill the end of the frieza saga - goku sacrificing himself like that is a good ending......maybe the cell saga wasnt too bad, but it was definatly downhill after frieza imo


yet surprisingly trunks has always been my fav character

About Frieza. The Frieza saga was supposed to be the last saga of DBZ. Toriyama wanted to end DBZ with Goku becoming the famous Super-Saiyan, and sacrificing himself to kill Frieza. But the seires was so popular that he decided to continue it.

And if Toriyama ended it there, we wouldn't had gotten Trunks and the hilarious scenes with Vegeta and Bulma.

 

[Victarion]

The talking animals could be explained as early experiments of the Red Ribbon Army that were later given freedom, human rights, etc. The dinosaurs should be kept in as well--just not talking, as did that pteranodon that kidnapped Bulma early on in Dragonball.

The Red Ribbon Army could be sought out by a weakened Demon King Piccolo and used by him to track down the Dragonballs.

A tournament could be included early on, hosted by the Ox King. The prize would be an arranged marriage with his daughter, Chi-Chi.

The Dragonballs could be kept safe by the four sages--Roshi the Turtle Hermit, Gohan the Tiger Hermit, the Crane Hermit that trained Tien, and then an original character or pre-existing character to be named as the fourth sage. The other 3 could be hidden in extremely dangerous/treacherous environments.

Bulma's motivation for finding the Dragonballs in an adaption could be to wish for her father's freedom from the arm of the Red Ribbon Army. Prior to the movie he would've attempted to flee them once, only to be captured once again and forced to build technology for them alongside Dr. Gero.

 

[wattabrownsound]

Also if Pilaf isn't in the movie who is going to find the jar and release King Piccolo?

 

[Victarion]

Also if Pilaf isn't in the movie who is going to find the jar and release King Piccolo?

The opening to the movie would be in line with the opening of Fellowship of the Ring in terms of its scope: a blend of the Red Ribbon Army and fighters trained by the Four Sages squaring off against the hordes of the Demon King Piccolo, released by Garlic in a bid to slay Kami. Piccolo would be sealed here and Garlic cast into the Dead Zone (or killed, maybe).

Later he would be released by General Tao, of the Red Ribbon Army. The initial hunt for the dragonballs is carried out by the RR Army. They seek to gather the dragonballs and then destroy them so that their forces might conquer the land and have an absolute rule. Without the dragonballs, no one could wish for their destruction or downfall or what have you.

Tao would be the main "hunter" of the Army tailing Bulma and Goku. In one of the Sage Temples he would find the jar containing King Piccolo and release him, thinking that after so long he would be vastly weakened. He is at first. He convinces Tao not to outright kill him, saying that he could amass a vast force to join with that of the Red Ribbon Army to double the size of their army.

Here he would tell Tao of the war that went against himself and his ally, Garlic. Therefore Tao would bring Piccolo before the commanders and the head of the Red Ribbon Army. Just before going before them, he'd have eaten a few senzu beans for a bit of energy. In one fell swoop he would pour out that power into creating some of his "children"--those dragonish things--which would slaughter the heads of the Red Ribbon Army and assume their identities.

Thus King Piccolo would use the Red Ribbon Army to gather the dragonballs, rather than risk exposing himself in a weakened state. To that end, he'd have members of the Army running across the land searching out the balls.

 

[wattabrownsound]

I like your ideas Mr. Wooden Alligator. Its interesting how you can tie so much together. The only thing missing is the Fortuneteller Baba Saga. Is there a way to fit that into your storyline?

Personally, I would rather have Goku and gang solely fighting bad guys from other planets in every movie than humans.

Also if they only do a trilogy ending with the frieza saga we're going to miss out on all the fighting techniques that came after. So maybe they can squeeze some of them in to the trilogy so we don't downright lose them.

 

[grand-I-am]

I wish a guy like Zach Snyder could direct a new dragon ball movie. Geez the moment I found out no krillin in DBE i knew it was going to be terrible.
If they are truly thinking about making a new DBZ movie , they should have flashbacks of Goku's childhood. That should feed some of the hardon fanboys have of seeing a young goku

 

[GhostPoet]

Have Stephen Chow direct. Problem solved.

 

[Majin...]

yep, the same way he <produced> it....only on paper

 

[wattabrownsound]

Something else I'd like to see is some mystery over what the final wish for the dragon will be. Yes, Piccolo and the good guys have their one wish but other options should arise along the way creating mystery and doubt as to what it will finally be.

 

[wattabrownsound]

If Goku is going to become a legend at the end of a trilogy or however many movies they make he should start off in the first movie saving Earth from Piccolo with an ending similar to that of Star War 4.

If Goku is constantly saving the Earth he should get huge recognition like Superman would. The people of Earth should care when he dies. Since characters should arc in a movie so should the people of Earth- they should be treated like a character too.

The dragon ball Earth should be distinct from our Earth. It should not give people any reason to think its a futuristic or alternate version of our Earth. This can be fixed by showing baby Goku's journey from Planet Vegeta to DB Earth. He would enter a solar system with a different number of planets with different looks and sizes. Closing in on DB Earth we would see that it has different geography from our own.
Another aspect that can be fixed is removing any regular looking airplanes, boats, homes guns, etc.. that we have on our Earth.
All modes of transportation should have that capsule corp look to them like Bulma's motorcycle in episode 1.
Buildings/homes should only have that unique look to them like in the show which means Grandpa Gohan's house should change. Or maybe his house is one of the few homes/places that shouldn't change like temples because the narrator mentioned in episode 1 something along the lines that it was in a place untouched by the ravages of time.
There might be other aspects in the show that are similar on our Earth aside from they look and talk like us but the ones I mentioned are just a few examples.

 

[wattabrownsound]

I've been reading people's comments on Dragon Ball: Evolution before and after it came out on other forums and there's something I don't understand. Some people say that staying true to the anime or the manga is impossible or unrealistic because the original content is "too out there". While I agree that there should be some changes like not mixing regular animals with dinosaurs and talking animals. But when people start mentioning aspects like Goku's tail, Bulma's hair and talking animals in general I don't understand where their coming from. With all the sci-fi and fantasy movies out there that people have enjoyed out the years aspects of Dragon Ball like the ones I mentioned are too hard to swallow in comparison?