Dreamworks/Paramount's Ghost In The Shell - Part 3

[2kt09]

There's a difference between taking chances / making changes when it makes sense or changing almost everything to where its unrecognizable & In Name Only either do it mostly right or don't do it & this movie & Power Rangers are essentially In Name Only

Do it mostly right if it's a remake.
Otherwise, with rebooting do whatever changes are necessary to the best of the filmmakers' capabilities and hope for the best.
Lol, people throw around INO too easily now.

 

[Goonie]

Do it mostly right if it's a remake.
Otherwise, with rebooting do whatever changes are necessary to the best of the filmmakers' capabilities and hope for the best.
Lol, people throw around INO too easily now.

& if its an adaption with a large fan base you do it right no way around it or at least make subtle changes if needed but mostly right something unknown like Guardians Of The Galaxy yeah things were changed but it was an unknown thing so certain liberties can be taken depending on the situation

 

[2kt09]

something unknown like Guardians Of The Galaxy yeah things were changed but it was an unknown thing so certain liberties can be taken depending on the situation

GitS is that situation. People's reviews in here made it sound like they enjoyed the original aspects more than the elements they stayed true to.

 

[MbJ]

Fidelity to the source material is one of those things that isn't always necessarily a steadfast rule. As was mentioned, Guardians takes a LOT of liberties with the source material and even certain characterizations, but it gets the core elements right and is an enjoyable movie in its own right. There's a number of things the Tim Burton Batman movies get utterly wrong as adaptations, but they're still able to stand on their own as well made action films. There are also many comic fans who flatout hate the Fox X-Men movies for all the changes made to the comics, but they (the good ones) were still able to connect with a mainstream audience.

The problem is when you make changes to the source material that also actively harm the movie. Fan4tastic pissed everyone off by making Johnny black and having Doom be a Cheetoh-munching gamer nerd, but it was also just a terribly written and directed movie in its own right that also obviously had huge chunks that were edited or reshot after the fact.

GITS falls into that latter category, I'd say. In trying to simplify or downplay the weightier themes of the original, it made itself very boring and run of the mill in the process. That's why the general consensus among most of the reviews is "It's okay, but it's also boring and not anything we haven't already seen a billion times in better movies."

And of course it also happens that they made one specific change that caused a bunch of negative buzz and controversy, and as VileOne said, never found a good way to address or get out in front of it.

Did it? Because it was quite a bit of time between Evolution and Battle of the Gods. I mean, even Godzilla 2000 came out a year after Godzilla 98.

In a making-of book, Toriyama mentioned that he got so angry after seeing Evolution that it inspired him to write a screenplay for a new animated DBZ movie. That was the project that eventually evolved into Battle of the Gods.

 

[Galactus123]

I really liked this movie so right after seeing it I ordered the 1995 anime on Blu-Ray. I haven't seen it or read any of the comics.

 

[kj2005dawn]

When i was in Japan I learned that the Japanese pretty much worship white people as i was leaving the drug store as the girl tried to sell me skin whitening cream, so when i watched Anime as i did many times in my youth and saw japanese names with blonde hair and blue or green eyes, or red hair, i didn't excuse it as artistic expression as i did in the past, as my japanese friends told me "the japanese worship white people"

the japanese draw anime as white people, i think this is something me as a proud social justice warrior has to admit

look guys the japanese teamed up with a white supremacist during world war 2, i think the japanese have been worshiping white people for a long time, in spite of their own

Japanese react after seeing ghost in the shell

She was very cool. I loved her in The Avengers and I wanted to see this because she was in it. If they had done a Japanese live-action version they would have probably cast some silly idol [girl-band member].”


I heard people in the U.S. wanted an Asian actress to play her. Would that be OK if she was Asian or Asian-American? Honestly, that would be worse: someone from another Asian country pretending to be Japanese. Better just to make the character white.”

http://screenrant.com/ghost-shell-movie-2017-japanese-response-scarlett-johansson/

 

[Sithborg]

Oh, that's not offensive at all.

 

[kj2005dawn]

Oh, that's not offensive at all.

the real world

 

[MbJ]

This thread took a very weird turn all of a sudden...

 

[kj2005dawn]

is this the first time this thread has discussed whitewashing? outside of america, the united states is seen as white, especially in asia... #facts

 

[Neno_Kos]

the movie failed on box office cause it wasnt GiTS. Simple. It was generic western hollywood cliche story instead of GiTS and what made 95' special. Alachia Queen in her review put more than good arguments on that.
Casting controversy didnt help.

 

[Sithborg]

I doubt making it more connective to GitS would've helped.

 

[TheVileOne]

the movie failed on box office cause it wasnt GiTS. Simple. It was generic western hollywood cliche story instead of GiTS and what made 95' special. Alachia Queen in her review put more than good arguments on that.
Casting controversy didnt help.

The original GITS is hardly some box office smash. It was a popular Japanese anime that caught on and got some recognition in the western hemisphere as well. It's audience and popularity was niche and segmented at best.

 

[InvisibleWoman]

Just got back from seeing this and I enjoyed it. I'm a massive GITS fan after getting into it about 5 years ago (I own the 95 movie and SAC series 1 and 2) and I found the movie to be a reasonable take on it (albeit a bit watered down for the GA)

I think it has its own place alongside SAC and Arise and I will buy it when it comes out on DVD and happily rewatch it.

In regards to the whitewashing... I don't agree with the principle (like in Pan when they cast Rooney Mara as Tiger Lilly who is Native American), however in this case and being such a fan of the source material where the Major's physical appearance isn't particularly Asian, I didn't have a problem with Scarlett at all. In fact, I felt it added to the story... her sense of "violation" and ultimately, the realisation that who she is goes deeper than what's on the outside. Her "ghost" IS her identity.

Anyway, I'm disappointed there won't be a sequel as I felt this was a really good introduction movie.

 

[Goonie]

GitS is that situation

No it's not Ghost In The Shell was fairly popular here & had so much more recognition than Guardians ever did which is why a movie was made to begin with

 

[Sithborg]

I don't know, the Bendis reboot of Guardians was quite popular.

 

[Neno_Kos]

I doubt making it more connective to GitS would've helped.

it would likely get better reviews. and would end up in process much better movie. most of critics viewed this as "nothing new worth seeing" from storyline perspective. As visuals were only good thing, "but with no substance behind them". I see that as obvious weakness of the movie. If this movie ended with you question things like 95' and explored bit more of that with those visuals you would likely ended up with one of better movies of the year. Problem was they got rid of it to make into something which is not GiTS. And westernized it for american audience.

 

[Jekecy]

People aren't gathering in enough numbers to say the film's quality is its drawback. The marketability is clearly at the heart of this matter first and foremost.

 

[MbJ]

I don't know, the Bendis reboot of Guardians was quite popular.

It was about as popular as a comic book can get, which is not much in a mainstream context. Comics are such a niche medium that the only way they leave any sort of pop culture imprint is if they get adapted into a movie or TV show or if their debut is controversial and gets a bunch of headlines.

Trust me. The Guardians movie was the vast majority of people's first exposure to the franchise. That's why even the trailers had a running joke of "Uh, who the heck are these guys?"

 

[metaphysician]

the japanese draw anime as white people,

No, they don't. They draw them as "normal", read unadorned. This is *not* the same thing as "white", as in Caucasian. Your assuming that White is the default, and anything not drawn with an exaggerated indicator of racial/ethnic category must thus be White.

 

[2kt09]

No it's not Ghost In The Shell was fairly popular here & had so much more recognition than Guardians ever did which is why a movie was made to begin with

Was and as VileOne stated, that's also fairly dubious and very relative.
GitS became a niche within a niche even if it is recognizable among that small circle.

There have been way more popular anime you could've adapted and especially with regard to anime that really introduced the west to that market.
Especially if Paramount is going to be the one to adapt them.
Netflix is taking the better approach. DN doesn't look like something that's so high on budget and it's more or less aimed at its niche crowd.

No, they don't. They draw them as "normal", read unadorned.

No, they don't. They draw them as "plastic", read doll or action figure-like.

 

[Sithborg]

I mean, anime started deeply, deeply rooted in the Disney style. That doesn't mean that they are intended to be white. When you are pretty mono ethnic, the default is them.

Personally, I am kind of excited for Death Note. The americanization of it adds a subtext that you just can't get in a place like Japan, where there is little diversity.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Even though I still haven't watched the anime, I'm excited that DeathNote isn't set in Japan but starring white people. It's a complete American version of the story. I wish all these adaptations would just set the events in America.

 

[Sithborg]

Even though I still haven't watched the anime, I'm excited that DeathNote isn't set in Japan but starring white people. It's a complete American version of the story. I wish all these adaptations would just set the events in America.

Well, L is black. Which potentially adds some interesting subtext in terms of making it an american story.

 

[TheVileOne]

Even though I still haven't watched the anime, I'm excited that DeathNote isn't set in Japan but starring white people. It's a complete American version of the story. I wish all these adaptations would just set the events in America.

Like AKIRA?