Edgar Wright Leaves Ant-Man!! - Part 1

[TheVision]

Wright will make the "Pretzels n' Beer Trilogy" next. Cant wait!

 

[DA_Champion]

Another way 2 look at this is Edgar is 2 blame for Edgar. Had he not taken over 9,000 years to make this movie before the MCU was born like he was supposed 2. He would have been able 2 make the movie his way without changes. You cant blame Disney / MARVEL for wanting their characters 2 all connect 2 each other. Who does Edgar think he is Guillermo Del Toro ?

I'm not interested in blaming either Wright or Marvel at this point, as I understand both their positions. Edgar Wright (along with Joe Cornish) is extremely talented creator with a proven track record but one who wants to see his vision realised, he's not really into implementing other people's ideas that he's not interested in. Marvel, on the other hand, has a proven machine generating billions of dollars, which inevitably leads to creative conservatism.

What I'm more interested in understanding are the fan reactions. Edgar Wright is not the first nor the last director to have a falling out with Marvel over creative differences, nor is he the last. This is going to happen again. Marvel can't hire pushovers because pushovers tend to be losers without talent. So if they hire talented non-pushovers, which they will, they will also inevitably hire people who don't like being in a box and act out when placed there.

OK, fine.

But why is there more of a fan reaction to Edgar Wright leaving than to Patty Jenkins, Alan Taylor, etc having problems?

 

[Mike Murdock]

None of those people spent anywhere near as long working on the project, to be fair. Wright was associated with Ant-Man for so long it was seen as "his" project (it was his idea, after all). Really, that's why my first reaction was confusion.

All this and the lateness in production of the departure are all "personality neutral" explanations for the difference in reaction.

 

[Rock Sexton]

But why is there more of a fan reaction to Edgar Wright leaving than to Patty Jenkins, Alan Taylor, etc having problems?

Why? Because Wright has a tiny, but very vocal and hardcore contingency. He's like the directorial baby Jesus to them.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

We all know Edgar Wright left Ant-Man to do Shaun of the Planet of the Apes.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Not even supernerds knew who Patty Jenkins was. And they still wouldn't if Portman hadn't pushed for her.

 

[Rock Sexton]

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[DA_Champion]

Not even supernerds knew who Patty Jenkins was. And they still wouldn't if Portman hadn't pushed for her.

I think it's a tough case to argue that Edgar Wright operates on a higher level than Patty Jenkins and Alan Taylor.

No disrespect to any of them or Marvel.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

From Spaced onward, Edgar Wright has made nothing but great, funny, immaculately shoot and genuinely heartfelt film. he doesn't make good films. He makes fantastic ones. That is why people are upset.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

From Spaced onward, Edgar Wright has made nothing but great, funny, immaculately shoot and genuinely heartfelt film. he doesn't make good films. He makes fantastic ones. That is why people are upset.

 

[Dyson]

From Spaced onward, Edgar Wright has made nothing but great, funny, immaculately shoot and genuinely heartfelt film. he doesn't make good films. He makes fantastic ones. That is why people are upset.

But if we were meant to see an Edgar Wright directed "Ant-Man" then we would see an Edgar Wright directed "Ant-Man". It was never meant to be. Oh well. There is no point in being upset. Time to move on. Peyton Reed will deliver the goods next summer.

 

[Mysteryman]

Even if we never see an Ant Man film directed by Wright ,
He will forever be linked to the origins of this project.

 

[cherokeesam]

Even if we never see an Ant Man film directed by Wright ,
He will forever be linked to the origins of this project.

And, he will be forever blamed for any shortcomings in this project.

Wright made a huge mistake in trying to isolate an ensemble character who is known only as a member of a team, The Avengers, and trying to take him *away* from that team and turn him into a solo headliner. He then proceeded to drag-ass on that project for 8 years, which began to have an impact on not only *this* project, but Marvel Studios' chief moneymaker project...i.e., The Avengers.

In the days before the shared cinematic universe, "Ant-Man" could correctly be identified as Edgar Wright's "baby." Once the shared universe came into play, and The Avengers needed these characters back in the fold, it can no longer accurately be called Edgar Wright's "baby." Ant-Man and the properties therein belong to the concept of The Avengers movie universe now, not to Edgar Wright's creative vision anymore.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

None of those people spent anywhere near as long working on the project, to be fair. Wright was associated with Ant-Man for so long it was seen as "his" project (it was his idea, after all). Really, that's why my first reaction was confusion.

All this and the lateness in production of the departure are all "personality neutral" explanations for the difference in reaction.

Makes you wonder why he'd throw all that way. What about it was so bad that he couldn't continue

 

[Mike Murdock]

Dunno. I think we'll get a clearer sense when the movie comes out, but we may never know for certain.

 

[Tony Stark]

And, he will be forever blamed for any shortcomings in this project.

Wright made a huge mistake in trying to isolate an ensemble character who is known only as a member of a team, The Avengers, and trying to take him *away* from that team and turn him into a solo headliner. He then proceeded to drag-ass on that project for 8 years, which began to have an impact on not only *this* project, but Marvel Studios' chief moneymaker project...i.e., The Avengers.

In the days before the shared cinematic universe, "Ant-Man" could correctly be identified as Edgar Wright's "baby." Once the shared universe came into play, and The Avengers needed these characters back in the fold, it can no longer accurately be called Edgar Wright's "baby." Ant-Man and the properties therein belong to the concept of The Avengers movie universe now, not to Edgar Wright's creative vision anymore.

I totally agree with this. If Ant man works as a solo movie character, then great, but everyone knows his popularity in the comics was tied to Avengers. He's much like Martian Manhunter or Hawkman for DC, who no one would care about seeing in a solo film, but their fame is tied to Justice League.

There is going to be a tremendous amount of pressure for Ant Man now, and if it doesn't do well, then yes Wright deserves all the blame, because while he's not directing, this is his baby. The idea of using Lang as the central character and not Pym.

That's the other thing about this, the interesting part about Pym is his ever changing alter ego's. From Ant-Man to Giant-Man, Goliath, Yellow Jacket, etc. That is the interesting character.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I personally would like to see a Martian Manhunter solo film, but I digress.

 

[Mysteryman]

Count me in for a MM solo film.
Good idea.
It will probably never happen though .

 

[Mike Murdock]

Considering one famous movie person (I wish I could remember who) recently suggested that any person who has heard of the Martian Manhunter has never had sex, I think it's unlikely he'll get his own movie.

But one thing I like about Marvel is the loss of their most famous franchises forced them to explore lesser known characters and bring forth what makes them unique. I think Arrow has done a good job on television with something similar. I know DC is afraid a Marvel strategy will backfire heavily, but I'd love to actually understand their lesser known heroes in depth.

 

[Mysteryman]

David Goyer?
I think those were his comments .

 

[fixxxer]

David Goyer?
I think those were his comments .

Yup. He also erroneously compared She-Hulk to a porn star and said that she was a character that was created to "withstand" sex with Hulk. That entire interview was absolutely abhorrent. And that's understating it. And this is the guy who's going to be central to WB's upcoming DC Universe films? Jeez! God help them.

 

[chamber-music]

Considering one famous movie person (I wish I could remember who) recently suggested that any person who has heard of the Martian Manhunter has never had sex, I think it's unlikely he'll get his own movie.

But one thing I like about Marvel is the loss of their most famous franchises forced them to explore lesser known characters and bring forth what makes them unique. I think Arrow has done a good job on television with something similar. I know DC is afraid a Marvel strategy will backfire heavily, but I'd love to actually understand their lesser known heroes in depth.

I'm glad lesser known heroes are being explored as well.

I like the big name superheroes but it would be dull if we only got movies of those characters. Adapting something like Guardians Of The Galaxy or Ant-Man means they can do stuff they might not be able to do with the bigger name characters due to backlash.

The rigid audience expectation of what you can and can't do with a character like Superman or Spider-Man for example because they are so well known doesn't apply to some lesser known names which gives filmmakers more breathing room

 

[Rock Sexton]

Asked if the creative differences had involved personality issues with the British director, or whether his vision for Ant-Man had felt out-of-sync with Marvel's wider universe of superheroes, Feige said it was a "combination".

"We sat round a table and we realised it was not working," he said. "A part of me wishes we could have figured that out in the eight years we were working on it. But better for us and for Edgar that we figure it out then, and not move it through production.

"We said let's do this together and put out a statement. What do we say? 'Creative differences'. I said: 'That's what they always say and no-one ever believes it.' Edgar said: 'But in this case it's true … '"

Added Feige: "The Marvel movies are very collaborative, and I think they are more collaborative than what he had been used to. And I totally respect that.

"[But] the notion that Marvel was scared, the vision was too good, too far out for Marvel is not true. And I don't want to talk too much about that because I think our movies speak to that. Go look at Iron Man 3; go look at The Winter Soldier; go see Guardians of the Galaxy later this month. It would have to be really out there to be too out there for us."

For the full story: http://www.theguardian.com/film/201...jects-marvel-criticism-over-edgar-wright-exit

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

He's a good PR Man that Feige fellow.

 

[Rock Sexton]

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