Ant-Man Edgar Wright Leaves Ant-Man!! - Part 1

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What part is Simon Pegg going to play in the Kolchak movie?

Is this supposed to be a burn or something? If Edgar Wright does end up doing a Kolchak movie, I'd be looking forward to that a great deal. Certainly more than a Wright-less Ant-Man.
 
Is this supposed to be a burn or something? If Edgar Wright does end up doing a Kolchak movie, I'd be looking forward to that a great deal. Certainly more than a Wright-less Ant-Man.

No it was a serious question. And that is his next project.
 
Me and Krystal share the same pov on this. I wish TheQuestion would get the idea instead of doing this: "Marvel isnt perfect either" yadda yadda yadda stuff. Actually they ARE perfect at this point. They know best. Thats why theyre making billions of dollars. Accept that.

Wow... I thought Marvel Studios could get better, and make better movies, and even more money, but apparently they're already perfect.

TheQuestion: Youve been saying this entire time that Marvel isnt perfect, Marvel makes mistakes too etc. Of course noones perfect but the FACTS are MARVEL has a great track record for their releases (Iron Man 1 2 3, Thor 1 2, Cap 1 2, Avengers etc) and are at the top of their game. What youve been doing this whole discussion is acting as if MARVEL doesnt know what theyre doing and everything theyve done so far doesnt matter. Youre wrong and I think youre talking jibberish only to stick up for Edgar Wright (Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz, Worlds End, Scott Pilgrim).

Wait, are they perfect or not perfect?

Have you ever heard the saying "good is the enemy of great"? That's pretty much my perspective on Marvel's lowest rated films that also happen to be the ones where they ticked off the high quality artists they hired.

No, I haven't been doing that. I have not been acting like Marvel doesn't know what they're doing or that everything they've done so far doesn't matter. I'm saying that their good track record doesn't mean that it isn't possible for them to make a mistake, and to assume that they have not and cannot because they're made high quality films before is absolutely ridiculous. It does not make any kind of logical sense.

And, beyond ridiculousness, it's not good for Marvel Studios. To give them a total free pass, to never look at any decision they make critically, will only eventually lead to reinforcement of bad decisions. It will only make the movies worse. You say you only care about the movies being as good as they can be? The only way to do that is to entertain the notion that it is possible for Marvel to make mistakes and say so vocally. Otherwise, they might get complacent, and that's never good for art.

I am hoping, praying to God, that they didn't make a mistake. That the movie will be fine. I want that to be true. And I understand that there is a not small likelihood that it is true. But if it isn't, then the fans have to call them on their mistakes.

That's how it's supposed to work. Blind devotion doesn't help anyone. Marvel has made mistakes in the past. Both of the Thor movies are seriously flawed. I like them both a lot, but on the whole they're not great. And The Incredible Hulk had a lot of good moments, but it was a pretty weak movie as well. Now, on the whole, Marvel has had more successes than failures. The last batch of movies have all been phenomenal, and Guardians of the Galaxy looks like it will be the best one yet. But we can't act like it's impossible that they'll ever make a mistake again. That's naive, and that is denying reality.

I love Marvel comics and Marvel studios more than I can put into words. But, to borrow an analogy from Senator Al Franken, you can't love Marvel like you're a child and Marvel is mommy who is wonderful and perfect and never does anything wrong. You've got to love Marvel like a grownup. That entails cherishing it's beauty, celebrating it's victories, and also, when it makes a mistake, letting it know because you care and because you want the best for it.

Nothing I've said so far has been gibberish. I've made my case, I've backed up my views with arguments and reasoning, and I think I've been fairly articulate. Eloquent, even, if you'll forgive a moment of vanity. You might not agree with me, and it would not at all be unreasonable if you've tired of arguing with me (I can be tiring), but Jesus Christ, man, do me the courtesy of not condescending to me.

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Blind devotion, especially to a corporation is one of the most intellectually crippling and socially destructive thing one can do. Marvel has done great, but there's no grounds to ignore information just because Avengers was awesome. In the real world, people who provide money to great things can also do very *****ey things. That's the world we live in, where geek cred does not equal moral virtue. How many artists do they have to piss off before we say, hey, maybe Marvel doesn't treat all of their artists very well? Maybe they need our help to become an even better group of creators.
 
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Marvel is not perfect. I am as big of an MCU fan as anybody, but the MCU has some issues that are very noticeable. Those issues can be fixed though and I have confidence those issues will be fixed.
 
I don't think anything The Question has said is unreasonable. If this was any other situation, for any other film, where a director with a proven track record for quality movies were to suddenly depart the project mere weeks before shooting was set to begin, and if reports were emerging that the split was because of the studio demanding last minute script changes before getting their own in-house guys to rewrite the script without said director's consent... most rational people would be taking the director's side. Taking all allegiances out of the equation and simply looking at the situation, most would conclude that, if the intel was accurate, the studio was at least acting erratic. But because it's Marvel Studios, those deductive skills get thrown out of the window and it becomes "MARVEL ARE PERFECT PARAGONS OF VIRTUE AND EDGAR WRIGHT IS THE WORST KIND OF SCUM," flying in the face of all the evidence as presented.

The studio doesn't always know best. You guys should read some of the stories about behind-the-scenes on Alien 3: a team of half-a-dozen Fox lawyers on set every day, with the authority to make on-the-spot script rewrites DURING FILMING if they felt it best "protected the brand." First-time feature director David Fincher near abandoned doing film altogether after it, the experience was so negative and he felt he had so much of his own creative freedom undermined. Are we to argue that Fox were automatically in the right, just because Alien and Aliens were both excellent and therefore their judgement going forward should have been accepted unquestioningly? Was David Fincher just a grunt who should have shut up and done what he was told, or does the career he went off to have once given more creative freedom suggest that maybe he knew best and should have been left alone to make the film he wanted to make?

:up: if this were any other studio, people would have sided with the director, especially one who has made consistently good movies so far. But no, because its Marvel, the uber fanboys jump down anyones throat who dares criticise them.

Even after Marvel's history of interfering with their movies, Thor 2 anyone? Its funny as well that the MCU movies that Marvel have meddled on the most have also been the worst ones, IM2, TIH and TDW are all considered the worst movies of the MCU.

THATS what worries me about Ant-Man and the fact they are meddling already.
 
:up: if this were any other studio, people would have sided with the director, especially one who has made consistently good movies so far. But no, because its Marvel, the uber fanboys jump down anyones throat who dares criticise them.

Even after Marvel's history of interfering with their movies, Thor 2 anyone? Its funny as well that the MCU movies that Marvel have meddled on the most have also been the worst ones, IM2, TIH and TDW are all considered the worst movies of the MCU.

THATS what worries me about Ant-Man and the fact they are meddling already.

Don't worry, it's not just Marvel fans, I'm sure if Zack Snyder had left WB because he wanted a pure-Superman sequel (assuming that was the case) a lot of people would have bashed WB.
 
Don't worry, it's not just Marvel fans, I'm sure if Zack Snyder had left WB because he wanted a pure-Superman sequel (assuming that was the case) a lot of people would have bashed WB.

I think you misunderstand me, I am saying that far too many people are being supportive of the studio because its Marvel, any other studio they would side with the director, but here, the usual people and a few others are automatically assuming Wright was the one in the wrong.

In my eyes this is down to Marvel and Disney, they knew 8 years ago what Wright wanted to do with the movie, why get cold feet now? Its stupid, and considering Marvel's track record not that surprising.
 
It's the blind support from a fraction of the fan base that annoys me. WB, Fox, Sony are all fair game when they make decisions we don't agree on, yet when it looks as if Marvel have done something ordinary there's a group with torches and pitch forks in hand ready to defend the studio simply because they haven't botched anything up monumentally yet.
 
Im unapologetically supporting MARVEL in this dispute, right now thats my stance. if this was DC I probably wouldnt. Are they PERFECT? I went too far with that statement. Noones perfect but Marvel sure has done an exceptional job with their MCU films. I love it all.

No matter what happened with Wright, hes not in charge and he cant make a film unless all his ideas are acceptable in the Marvel film universe. If not, hes got to find a way to make it work. It sounds like he tried but it just never gelled.

Everything thats been said has been interesting and people are being fair, I can appreciate that. I just think Marvel knows best for their franchises, and until they make a total commercial/critical dud (all their films are really fun, even the flawed ones), thats how itll be (for me).

Thank You.
 
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I'm getting about goddamned tired of this blanket "blind fanboy" crap you people are happily painting the forum with when in truth it's only a tiny handful of chuckleheads that it really applies to.
 
I'm getting about goddamned tired of this blanket "blind fanboy" crap you people are happily painting the forum with when in truth it's only a tiny handful of chuckleheads that it really applies to.

Thank you
 
^^ LOL chuckleheads. Thats me! heehee

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People.....try and post civilly....no, scratch that.....DO POST CIVILLY.
 
Fact is Marvel owns Ant-Man and knew what Wright wanted to do with the film for years, if Disney/Marvel didn't like it they should have axed him sooner. Marvel and Disney were not blindsided by anything. That's how the backstabbing Hollywood and the world works though. (if the rumors are true) As usual a big corporation does a scummy thing and has it's defenders because money makes them right!

And no I'm not even saying that most Marvel fanboys have a blind allegiance to Marvel/Disney but this post is directed to the ones who do. If you don't then you have no reason to be remotely offended.
 
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I think the bottom line here...is that Edgar Wright's departure is Marvel's loss as much as it is the ours, unless you happen to not be an Edgar Wright fan. No matter how this movie turns out now, I'm going to be left wondering what Wright's version might've been because his style is so distinct and unique.

It's entirely possible that Marvel were justified in their issues with the script, but went about business in a way that drove Edgar away (if the rumors are to be true about re-writes happening behind his back). We really don't have enough information. It all just seems a bit strange to me because you don't hire someone like Edgar Wright unless you want an Edgar Wright film. You know what you're getting with him, and his scripts are written in a very specific way to be shot in a very specific way, tediously pre-thought out and storyboarded. So his departure so late in the process seems strange to me too. I think maybe because he was hired so long ago that their once-shared vision for the film slowly started to diverge as Marvel blew up and became the huge brand it is today.

Whatever the problem was, it's just too bad that we won't be getting to see Edgar Wright's version of a big comic book movie. Scott Pilgrim was obviously a step in that direction, but I think this could've been a whole new level for him, and could've provided even more richness and variety to the MCU.
 
Im not offended by people thinking Im a blind Marvel devotee. Up until this happened I was really happy with everything on this film. Im not a huge Edgar fan but I was looking forward to his vision of this character like everyone else. My support for Marvel is because I dont want them doing something that could run it all into the ground. You cant say they dont take chances either (See RDJ/Iron Man, GOTG). That argument holds no water here. It was a matter of them not wanting to make a bad movie just because of one person, otherwise everything would be going forward as we expected. They wouldnt change unless it was a very serious problem. The timing sucks, but it was now or never.

Edgar Wright may have made a great AM movie in his eyes, for HIS fans, but it wasnt the movie Marvel needed/wanted for their fans. We should just accept this and support the guy they pick next.
 
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Something might've been wrong with the script, but they also might've made things worse with their re-write, thus causing him to walk away. Maybe it just wasn't meant to be with Edgar.

I think its pointless to take sides because we really don't have enough information. I just know that it's a disappointing turn of events regardless of who's more to blame. Ideally the creative differences could've been worked out in a way that led to a better version of Edgar Wright's version of the movie. Spending 8 years of your life attached to a project, only for it not to come to fruition is just a sad turn of events.

A lot of this feels like Marvel wanting to upkeep their image and not delay a film. Even though that seems like the obvious solution here.
 
Obviously someone wasnt willing to adapt to what Marvel wanted. They have the final say on their scripts. Otherwise Edgar would be directing it.
 
What scares me is this:



http://www.hypable.com/2014/05/28/edgar-wright-leaves-ant-man-marvel-reasons/

Not only do they have to replace the director, they have to replace most of the production crew. I don't see any way this movie comes out on time.

honestly, a production crew really isn't that hard to muster together.. most directors usually know who they want right away anyway...

also.. cinemablend just reported that it might look like Gunn might get the directors seat.
 
Obviously someone wasnt willing to adapt to what Marvel wanted. They have the final say on their scripts. Otherwise Edgar would be directing it.

That's true of any studio though...the script has to be approved by the people spending the money on it before it goes into production, superhero film or not. It's normal for there to be a little push and pull between a director and the studio. Painting Wright as the "stubborn artist unable to compromise" is no different than painting Marvel/Disney as the "big, bag studio restricting creativity" at this point. There's always two sides to a situation. I think it's fair to say that Wright was probably originally going to have more creative control over this when the project was in its early stages. He's the one who came to Marvel with his vision for it in the first place, when they had no plans of making an Ant-Man movie.
 
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If James Gunn actually directs Ant Man, noone will be able to use the "Marvel doesnt take chances" comment. GOTG was taking taking a chance and it sounds like they love it.
 
also.. cinemablend just reported that it might look like Gunn might get the directors seat.

I posted that link in the main thread but it originated from CBM and has since been deleted so I think it's just more fictional nonsense from one of their "writers"
 
If James Gunn actually directs Ant Man, noone will be able to use the "Marvel doesnt take chances" comment. GOTG was taking taking a chance and it sounds like they love it.

Are a lot of people making that comment? It's obvious that they're happy to take chances on guys like The Russos, Shane Black and James Gunn. And all of them seemed extremely happy working with Fiege and Marvel. It's just too bad that it didn't work out with Edgar.

Again, it's not a right/wrong thing, I'm sure each party did what they felt was best for them. It's just a shame that we won't get to see Edgar's version of the movie, and that we'll always wonder what his version would've been no matter how it turns out.
 
Its not that big of a loss to me. I just want them to get a filmmaker who makes a great Ant Man and continues Marvels streak of fun genre movies.
 
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