Ant-Man Edgar Wright Leaves Ant-Man!! - Part 1

[Sharkboy]

But Marvel tends to act like their brand cures all. With a property like Ant Man, I'm not so sure. I was telling my old lady about the movie the other day, and she literally interrupted me to say, "Wait a minute...Ant Man?" Then I had to go into detail about who he is an why he's important, but that's about as general an audience reaction to this as you're gonna get. She sees these movies for me because she know I enjoy them, and it gives us something to discuss after, but the entire premise to her was so outlandish. My response was, "More outlandish than a man dressed as a bat, or a man that flies and shoots lasers out of his eyes, or a band of heroes consisting of a frozen Captain America, a Greek thunder god, the Hulk, and a man wearing a billion dollar technological suit, and this is the one that's outlandish?!" Her reply? "Well...yeah...he's called Ant Man for God's sake." That's your general public reaction right there.

They aren't entirely wrong though. pre-Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy would have likely been laughed out of the room. Now, despite no one seemingly knowing of the excellent 2008 abnett lanning run, people are buying into it, cgi racoon and all. That's faith in the Marvel brand. Until Marvel gets their next genuine flop, then all things considered that brand DOES cure all, and I'm convinced regardless of how "silly" ant-man sounds and looks, once Edgar had footage to show and the marketing team did their thing, people would have reacted to it the same way they are reacting to Guardians, mostly because you put up a MCU logo up there and people will take notice.

So personally I don't like how Marvel didn't take the risk this time, unless Edgar Wright's plans for the character were just too much for them, or lets be fair, not good enough (but i doubt it considering how proven Wright is)

 

[guitarsingerguy]

I LOVED Edgar's test footage. Hopefully it stays similar.

 

[henzINNIT]

I wonder if we're quite finished with the blows to this film yet. Surely the cast would have been drawn to this by the script? I guess they're signed on now though.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

I wonder if we're quite finished with the blows to this film yet. Surely the cast would have been drawn to this by the script? I guess they're signed on now though.

Idk man...you hear about those guys jumping ship all the time too. I supposed it depends on how their contracts are written up, and which of them have actually signed on the dotted line.

 

[TheVision]

Sharkboy: You really think Marvel would take a great script and ruin it for no reason? I doubt it.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Sharkboy: You really think Marvel would take a great script and ruin it for no reason? I doubt it.

I think they may cram a lot of unnecessary **** in there to connect to the rest of the MCU.

 

[TheVision]

^^ Pretty sure Edgar had a chance to adapt it. They knew what was going on in the MCU by this point. They def adjusted it enough for him to leave, but thats Marvels call, not his.

Why can Joss and James Gunn get by with their projects but Edgar cant? Its because his stuff was wack and they needed to fix it.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Didn't Wright always say he meant for this to be a standalone? Maybe that's where the issue came in?

 

[TheVision]

Standalone could be the problem, cuz how could they do an Ant Man film this far into the MCU leading to A3 and not mention anything thats happened or connect it to the other films?

 

[DA_Champion]

Sharkboy: You really think Marvel would take a great script and ruin it for no reason? I doubt it.

BadAssDigests has significant contacts to Edgar Wright. Edgar Wright wrote a chapter in film critic hulk's book.

What they've been saying is that Marvel took Wright's script, gave it to an in-house screenwriter, and homogenized it (i.e. made generic). That's when Wright walked.

 

[TheVision]

Noone cares if Edgar is upset about his grand vision being ruined. Only Edgars fans/pals do. The public only care if the film is really entertaining or not. Marvels making super hero movies that are connected, not Edgar Wright pub comedies.

Badass Digest, Film Crit Hulk, bunch of hipster morons imo. They arent worth listening to.

 

[DA_Champion]

Noone cares if Edgar is upset about his grand vision being ruined. Only Edgars fans/pals do. The public only care if the film is really entertaining or not.

Badass Digest, Film Crit Hulk, bunch of hipster morons imo.

1) Other directors seem to care, this has damaged Marvel's reputation.
2) Hipster is the most over-used insult on the internet, and in this case has no meaning. It's like calling something "gay" in 1995, "OMG that's so gay" ... totally meaningless.
3) Hulk is possibly the best film critic on the net.

 

[TheVision]

^^ Disagree. Theyre a bunch of desperate hipsters. I dont listen to them. Hipster to me means a poser, bandwagon jumper, people who do things only to impress others, to get attention by being controversial. Thats all they do.

Edgar Wright (aka the new Buster Keaton) and his buddies can all gather around the campfire and whine forever about this. Doesnt make any difference at this point.

Marvel needs to hire a director and get this movie going.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Standalone could be the problem, cuz how could they do an Ant Man film this far into the MCU leading to A3 and not mention anything thats happened or connect it to the other films?

Now if that was the only issue, Wright should have known they were going to do everything possible to connect this to the MCU at large.

 

[samsnee]

When people say "connect to the MCU", I wonder do they mean inserting specific mentions of Shield, Avengers, and other events. Or do they mean the script shouldn't have things that openly contradict them (ie it was more a standalone) movie.

If it was the first one, I can understand why Wright would have left. If it's the second, I can understand why Marvel would want to change the script.

 

[Dark Raven]

Well there's not much to mention about SHIELD at the moment since they're dismantled and no-one even knows they're being rebuilt under Coulson (who is presumed dead). I don't see the problem with mentioning the Avengers, just like the odd name dropping happened in AOS sometimes but didn't affect the overall plot.

 

[TheVision]

To me "Homogenizing the script" sounds like "they took out all my wacky, quirky stuff I added for me fans and left in the actual things that were needed for it to work". Hence Edgar taking the train. It may still be a standalone film since SHIELD is gone and theres no need to mention other characters. But who knows.

Could it be Edgar is just a full of himself diva and couldnt stand his work being touched by others? Hes acting like this is one of his personal movies, ITS NOT!! Thats the whole point. He was hired by Marvel to make an MCU film not an Edgar Wright film. Or more likely an MCU film with some of his stylistic flourishes but not exactly what he wanted at all costs.

 

[Sharkboy]

Sharkboy: You really think Marvel would take a great script and ruin it for no reason? I doubt it.

No I think Marvel would stream-roll a directors vision in order to adhere to their grand vision. Whether one is better than the other is yet to be seen, but in my opinion Edgar Wright is more proven to crank out a great film. To paraphrase Vader, I find Marvel's lack of faith disturbing.

Noone cares if Edgar is upset about his grand vision being ruined. Only Edgars fans/pals do. The public only care if the film is really entertaining or not. Marvels making super hero movies that are connected, not Edgar Wright pub comedies.

Badass Digest, Film Crit Hulk, bunch of hipster morons imo. They arent worth listening to.

^^ Disagree. Theyre a bunch of desperate hipsters. I dont listen to them. Hipster to me means a poser, bandwagon jumper, people who do things only to impress others, to get attention by being controversial. Thats all they do.

Edgar Wright and his buddies can all gather around the campfire and whine forever about this. Doesnt make any difference at this point.

Marvel needs to hire a director and get this movie going.

Sounds like you are weakly and blindly following Disney/Marvel regardless of what option they pick. It's not really about Edgar Wright or what he has or hasn't achieved. It's pretty hard to argue for a company who fires someone who's been involved in this project for 8 years. EIGHT! I can't imagine Marvel and Feige didn't know what Wright was going for.

 

[TheVision]

^^ If I was a huge Edgar fan I might be more on his side BUT since 2008 Ive been very very happy with Marvels output, including the upcoming GOTG which I cant wait to see.

The fact Marvel even had to touch Edgars script after all these years tells me he wasnt making the movie he promised. They gave him a chance to do rewrites and he never delivered what they wanted. So they had some other guys "homogenize it" to be a bankable movie, not a Wright fans wet dream. So he left the production and feels like Buster Keaton because they didnt treat him like Joss' twin (imo, hes not even close to that).

The Marvel fans around the world want a fun, rewatchable sci fi action-adventure movie. Thats basically it. They arent going to see this movie because of Edgar.

 

[Sharkboy]

To me "Homogenizing the script" sounds like "they took out all my wacky, quirky stuff I added for me fans and left in the actual things that were needed for it to work". Hence Edgar taking the train. It may still be a standalone film since SHIELD is gone and theres no need to mention other characters. But who knows.

Could it be Edgar is just a full of himself diva and couldnt stand his work being touched by others? Hes acting like this is one of his personal movies, ITS NOT!! Thats the whole point. He was hired by Marvel to make an MCU film not an Edgar Wright film. Or more likely an MCU film with some of his stylistic flourishes but not exactly what he wanted at all costs.

You know despite your incredibly abrasive nature, your argument isn't without merit. It's not his film, it's Marvels and they do have every right to do what they want with it, i don't think anyone denies that, but those who criticise marvel, that you've lovingly called "hipsters" are just people who genuinely believe that Wright is far more talented and "right" for the job than whoever will replace him.

 

[Sharkboy]

^^ If I was a huge Edgar fan I might be more on his side BUT since 2008 Ive been very very happy with Marvels output, including the upcoming GOTG which I cant wait to see.

The fact Marvel even had to touch Edgars script after all these years tells me he wasnt making the movie he promised. They gave him a chance to do rewrites and he never delivered what they wanted. So they had some other guys "homogenize it" to be a bankable movie, not a Wright fans wet dream. So he left the production and feels like Buster Keaton because they didnt treat him like Joss' twin (imo, hes not even close to that).

The Marvel fans around the world want a fun, rewatchable sci fi action-adventure movie. Thats basiically it. They arent going to see this movie because of Edgar.

That's exactly it, people are going to watch this regardless if he's the director or not, that's how strong the Marvel brand is, but quality wise I disagree with you. I think outside of Winter Soldier and the first Iron Man, Marvel has been pretty mediocre in it's solo movies, and Edgar Wright was genuinely their best chance to bring excitement to a character that the general audience don't know or care about. I don't have a financial stake in this movie, i don't care how well it does...all i care about as an audience member is having the best film possible, and to be honest with you. Looking at most of Marvel's films and most of what Edgar Wright has given us. I'll definitely be looking forward to Edgar's next film more than Ant Man.

 

[TheVision]

You know despite your incredibly abrasive nature, your argument isn't without merit. It's not his film, it's Marvels and they do have every right to do what they want with it, i don't think anyone denies that, but those who criticise marvel, that you've lovingly called "hipsters" are just people who genuinely believe that Wright is far more talented and "right" for the job than whoever will replace him.

Abrasive sorry, passionate I guess. Im just saying it like it is (imo). Wright being better for the job: well, that could be the case. I dont think the movie would be bad if he directed it. It may have been really great. But I do think Marvel wants filmmakers who make MCU movies first and add some of their style/humor etc. They dont want filmmakers dictating everything and leaving the Marvel stuff for last. Thatll never go over well. Its sort of a fine line they have to walk. The best have managed to do everything and turn out great movies

I dont think Marvel has been as safe as people think. I mean most of these movies have been pretty crazy ventures, structurally Id say theyre safer, but theyre huge budget films. How much can you do in that sense and still keep them connected and moving fwd?

James Gunn really admitted to all of us that Edgar wasnt the right fit for Marvel. He basically let us know Edgar is about Edgar first. You obviously cant be that way with Marvel or youll be gone.

Badass Digest & Co surely dont like that and theyll be Anti-Marvel from now on. You know, supporting the cause of Directors Vs the Studioheads. Like we dont know all this stuff already.

 

[Mysteryman]

Gunn made an analogy about a couple that desperately wanted to be together but could not make it work , no matter how hard they tried .
He did not say anything about Edgar personally.

 

[Sharkboy]

Abrasive sorry, passionate I guess. Im just saying it like it is (imo). Wright being better for the job: well, that could be the case. I dont think the movie would be bad if he directed it. It may have been really great. But I do think Marvel wants filmmakers who make MCU movies first and add some of their style/humor etc. They dont want filmmakers dictating everything and leaving the Marvel stuff for last. Thatll never go over well.

James Gunn really admitted to all of us that Edgar wasnt the right fit for Marvel. He basically let us know Edgar is about Edgar first. You obviously cant be that way with Marvel or youll be gone.

Badass Digest & Co surely dont like that and theyll be Anti-Marvel from now on. You know, supporting the cause of Directors Vs the Studioheads. Like we dont know all this stuff already.

Is there anything Marvel do that you DON'T like?

 

[TheVision]

Gunn made an analogy about a couple that desperately wanted to be together but could not make it work , no matter how hard they tried .
He did not say anything about Edgar personally.

Who was paying Edgar to do the film? Whos the employer, whos the employee? Thats my reply.

Is there anything Marvel do that you DON'T like?

To be honest, not really. I was a little dissapointed by IM2 (still really enjoy it though) and I didnt love Thor 2, thats probably my biggest complaints. Im really thrilled theres an MCU at all. I love this universe and thank Marvel for doing it so successfully.