Ant-Man Edgar Wright Leaves Ant-Man!! - Part 2

It HAS been a mixed bag for most people. Some of what they've done has worked, and some of it hasn't. That has nothing to do with being in denial. That's just people's opinions, and they're completely entitled to them. Not to mention, I think you'll find that is actually how more people feel than don't, especially when the sequels are concerned.

The point is this, even what people consider to be their absolute worst movie, be it IM2 or TDW is still decent at worst. Whatever metric you choose to go by, be it critic scores or box office or audience ratings, they still come up above average. No studio bats .100. Blockbuster filmaking is a difficult thing. What I don't get is people acting like Marvel Studios is doing evil things that no other movie studio does. All of this is par the course for Hollywood.
 
You're using ambiguous examples of other times in Hollywood as if it's mutually exclusive to what went on here.

Even if they were at each other's throats that's precisely what was meant by them not being compatible in a collaborative environment. You're just proving my point.

And then just below this post is Feige saying they werent at each others throats and it wasnt anything like that. They mutually agreed to seperate. As a movie fan you hear this type of stuff all the time.



You speak as if it's improbable that a studio which requires collaboration would run into problems with a director who is normally a hands off "auteur".

What is there not to believe in lieu of that? Every single person who's commented on the situation (Favreau/Gunn/Pegg/Feige/Whedon) have all said there was a compatibility issue. At this point it's not about you or I not knowing anything. Everything else is tabloid-worthy nonsense.

Wright has collaborated with other studios in the past and had no problems, namely Universal, so he isnt a 'hands off auteur' in my eyes either.

And once again, people in Hollywood lie all the time, including some of my favourite actors and directors, it doesnt make them bad people, its just the system they work withing, same with Feige, who has lied his ass off a number of times.

We arent going to agree on this so is there really any point in going on?

T"Challa;29311531 said:
The funny thing is people act like this stuff doesn't happen all the time. There are hundreds of millions of dollars at stake here. Sometimes, things just don't work out and sides don't agree. There's no need to villify anyone.

The MCU, regardless of what you think about some of the films has been a resounding success, both critically and financially. The general audience has really taken to the universe, and for the most part, people really like the product they put out. Based on his body of work, Feige has more than earned the benefit of the doubt IMO. Edgar Wright is super talented and he will be fine, but if his visions and ideas do not fit into the MCU sandbox, then he has to go if doesnt' budge. Its that simple, its just business.

And i find it funny, people forget Fox fired Rupert Wyatt from Dawn of the Planet of the Apes for the exact same creative reasons, and replaces him with Reeves. I dint see anyone complaining then and i definitely don't see them complaining now. lets wait and see how this thing turns out. This stuff happens in hollywood a lot. Feige and Marvel aren't idiots.

And when Wyatt was fired, or quit, whichever you want to believe, plenty of people had a go at Fox for it, me included. Then they got someone who is arguably a better director to replace him. Matt Reeves has made 2 really good movies before Dawn, and Dawn looks to be a 3rd, he is an exciting up and coming director. In my eyes thats how you recover from such situations, same with Singer taking over DOFP after Vaughn left.

Marvel lost Edgar Wright, who has made 4 very good-great movies, and replaced him with Peyton Reed, a guy who has arguably never made a decent movie, let alone a very good one.

Do you see why people are still worried now? If Edgar Wright was replaced by say, Rupert Wyatt himself, Duncan Jones, Sam Raimi, Matthew Vaughn or someone of that ilk, there would be a lot less complaints and worrying. Thats the difference the replacement they got is nothing to be excited about, like Matt Reeves was.
 
Whats wrong with saying they have delivered a mixed bag of films ?
Its not the same as saying all of their films stink.
Their is not a studio in existence that has a perfect track record when it comes to making quality films .

Because its lying by implication. Its a statement that is, technically, true, as their film production to date has indeed varied in quality, from "okay" to "amazing", much like any other studio. However, the implication of saying "mixed bag" is that some of them are good and some of them suck, which is not born out by any of the objective measures. Its basically a way to denigrate the overall performance of Marvel Studios without actually saying "I think a lot of Marvel movies suck."
 
Because its lying by implication. Its a statement that is, technically, true, as their film production to date has indeed varied in quality, from "okay" to "amazing", much like any other studio. However, the implication of saying "mixed bag" is that some of them are good and some of them suck, which is not born out by any of the objective measures. Its basically a way to denigrate the overall performance of Marvel Studios without actually saying "I think a lot of Marvel movies suck."

And this is the crux of my problem with this whole thing. People acting like Marvel Studios is the evil empire while everyone else is pristine.
 
Anyway, MARVEL has more fans than Edgar Wright. He makes quirky little comedies that are good for what they are, but its not like hes some untouchable, perfect filmmaker. Get real. Reed may actually make a better movie than Wright because it wont be so quirked out that people lose sight of the story that needs to be told. If Wright had been the best guy for the job they wouldve never let him get away and given in to his demands. He simply wasnt the right fit or not great enough to obey or whatever. People want to see an MCU Ant Man film, not something else that mostly Wright fans want.
 
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T"Challa;29311855 said:
And this is the crux of my problem with this whole thing. People acting like Marvel Studios is the evil empire while everyone else is pristine.

That's what happens when you're at the top. According to malcontents, suddenly no other studios try to swing some influence in their investments, they're all hands off and just let the directors do whatever they want, hell or high water.
 
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Wright has collaborated with other studios in the past and had no problems, namely Universal, so he isnt a 'hands off auteur' in my eyes either.

That is what I mean by using blanket statements as arguments.

Why should Universal be used as the litmus test? How is it similar to how Marvel runs the show? Clearly Universal can't even compared to their standard ..... just look at the box office returns in the last 6 years.

And once again, people in Hollywood lie all the time, including some of my favourite actors and directors, it doesnt make them bad people, its just the system they work withing, same with Feige, who has lied his ass off a number of times.

We arent going to agree on this so is there really any point in going on?

You're right we're not. I'm no dummy, I know there are lies told all the time in Hollywood, but you paint with a stroke too broad to be applicable to this conversation.

Wright and Feige didn't work well together when it finally came time to start pre- and production, this is incontestable. That's all that matters. That's why they went in their separate directions.
 
Marvel lost Edgar Wright, who has made 4 very good-great movies, and replaced him with Peyton Reed, a guy who has arguably never made a decent movie, let alone a very good one.

Do you see why people are still worried now? If Edgar Wright was replaced by say, Rupert Wyatt himself, Duncan Jones, Sam Raimi, Matthew Vaughn or someone of that ilk, there would be a lot less complaints and worrying. Thats the difference the replacement they got is nothing to be excited about, like Matt Reeves was.

Marvel Studios has faith in Peyton Reed. You should, as well. You don't need Rupert Wyatt, or Duncan Jones, Sam Raimi, or Matthew Vaughan. Reed is not just some shooter. Go watch Down with Love and you'll see what I mean.

He also has strong experience collaborating with others (aka his heavy TV background) and he is a known Marvel fan. He is clearly bringing a vision to this material with a fantastic team of other talented film makers who will help execute this vision. If the script is strong then the film is on its way to success.

People need to get over Wright's exit from Ant-Man. It's dead. This is Peyton Reed's Ant-Man now and I'm sure he will deliver an awesome movie that everyone can enjoy. Have faith in Peyton Reed.
 
People complain about lots of Marvel directors. I remember people complaining Leterrier, Favreau, Brannagh, Russos, ect.

None of us know what Peyton Reed is thinking and his previous films don't mean he is incapable of creating a good movie given the right circumstances. I think people are being way to quick to judge when the movie hasn't even begun filming.
 
People complain about lots of Marvel directors. I remember people complaining Leterrier, Favreau, Brannagh, Russos, ect.

None of us know what Peyton Reed is thinking and his previous films don't mean he is incapable of creating a good movie given the right circumstances. I think people are being way to quick to judge when the movie hasn't even begun filming.

The director choices have been one of Marvel's strongest moves as far as I'm concerned. They've been out the box, and, for the most part, that's payed off. The one that really had me concerned was the Russos, and they shut me up big time. That's why the whole Ant Man thing doesn't have me overly concerned. Basically, Marvel knows something I don't.
 
Just general stuff, like "we will be exploring the 9 realms in Thor 2" and other general statements he has made about the movies.

I'm not sure that's an untruthful statement. It might be a misleading one, but that's it. After all, they did have the scene in the beginning that had battles on the nine realms. That could have been what he meant. It's really too vague a statement to call a lie when it could be interpreted as "we'll be seeing more of the nine realms."
 
Anyway, MARVEL has more fans than Edgar Wright.He makes quirky little comedies that are good for what they are, but its not like hes some untouchable, perfect filmmaker.

"Marvel has more fans than Wright", "Good for what it is" is such a bulls*** and obviously transparent attempt to minimize something while trying to inflate the other.
Wright has co-penned and directed 3 of the sharpest & most critically acclaimed comedies of the past decade. He's a very good filmmaker. One of the best young filmmakers around.

Get real. Reed may actually make a better movie than Wright because it wont be so quirked out that people lose sight of the story that needs to be told. If Wright had been the best guy for the job they wouldve never let him get away and given in to his demands.

There's nothing in Wright's style that is too quirky for what Marvel have done to date, not when we're getting a James Gunn take on GotG, and just last year a Shane Black Iron Man film grossed over $1bn WW. "Quirkyness" wasn't the problem here.

Also, when has Wright "lost sight of the story" due to quirkyness? Are you just saying thing at random or what?

He simply wasnt the right fit or not great enough to obey or whatever. People want to see an MCU Ant Man film, not something else that mostly Wright fans want.

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Whats wrong with saying they have delivered a mixed bag of films ?
Its not the same as saying all of their films stink.
Their is not a studio in existence that has a perfect track record when it comes to making quality films .

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"A mixed bag of films" - Just the fact youd say that shows how much in denial you are.

There is no film series that is universally loved, all are mixed bags.

T"Challa;29311855 said:
And this is the crux of my problem with this whole thing. People acting like Marvel Studios is the evil empire while everyone else is pristine.

Actually it's the opposite, people tend to place them on a pedestal over others. When a person dares to say they haven't got a perfect track record they get an earful about it.

Marvel have provided great movies and poor ones just like every other film series out there.
 
T"Challa;29311855 said:
And this is the crux of my problem with this whole thing. People acting like Marvel Studios is the evil empire while everyone else is pristine.
Nobody has argued that the other studios are pristine. Can you point to a single person arguing that?

Because its lying by implication. Its a statement that is, technically, true, as their film production to date has indeed varied in quality, from "okay" to "amazing", much like any other studio. However, the implication of saying "mixed bag" is that some of them are good and some of them suck, which is not born out by any of the objective measures. Its basically a way to denigrate the overall performance of Marvel Studios without actually saying "I think a lot of Marvel movies suck."
It's not lying by implication. Marvel's record is a mixed bag. They've made terrible films (Thor 2), average-to-good films (Thor 1), and good-to-great films (Avengers, The Winter Soldier). Agents of Shield is a below-average TV show. If you actually love all of their work then you've got fanboy goggles on. They're not early Pixar.

Actually it's the opposite, people tend to place them on a pedestal over others. When a person dares to say they haven't got a perfect track record they get an earful about it.

Marvel have provided great movies and poor ones just like every other film series out there.
That's a good point, I can't think of any large ensemble of films that is without a black sheep. Star Wars, Star Trek, Alien/Prometheus, James Bond, Marvel, X-Men, all have weak entries.
 
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That's a good point, I can't think of any large ensemble of films that is without a black sheep. Star Wars, Star Trek, Alien/Prometheus, James Bond, Marvel, X-Men, all have weak entries.

Yep. Terminator, Robocop, Predator, Indiana Jones.

No franchises are immune, all have from poor movies in there somewhere .
 
Moridin: Youre a big Edgar Wright fan I take it. All Im doing is speculating about this (maybe quirky wasnt the right word) but the bottom line is, hes not directing the movie. So however great you think he is, however special, unique, it doesnt matter in this instance. His vision and/or personality didnt fit with MARVEL. Id say its his loss, not anyone elses (As I said before, Wright isnt a household name at this point).

Cyclops: The MCU is one of the best franchises Ive seen in my 35+ years of watching movies. Is it 100% perfect? No, but its exceptional for what it is and has much more good than bad going on. Lets not forget they are breaking ground as they go. Theyre taking risks and trying new things. So thats really important

In closing I just want to thank all the Wright, DC, X-Men, Spider Man fans for their thoughts. :)
 
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"Marvel has more fans than Wright", "Good for what it is" is such a bulls*** and obviously transparent attempt to minimize something while trying to inflate the other.
Wright has co-penned and directed 3 of the sharpest & most critically acclaimed comedies of the past decade. He's a very good filmmaker. One of the best young filmmakers around.



There's nothing in Wright's style that is too quirky for what Marvel have done to date, not when we're getting a James Gunn take on GotG, and just last year a Shane Black Iron Man film grossed over $1bn WW. "Quirkyness" wasn't the problem here.

Also, when has Wright "lost sight of the story" due to quirkyness? Are you just saying thing at random or what?



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There is no film series that is universally loved, all are mixed bags.



Actually it's the opposite, people tend to place them on a pedestal over others. When a person dares to say they haven't got a perfect track record they get an earful about it.

Marvel have provided great movies and poor ones just like every other film series out there.

Nobody has argued that the other studios are pristine. Can you point to a single person arguing that?


It's not lying by implication. Marvel's record is a mixed bag. They've made terrible films (Thor 2), average-to-good films (Thor 1), and good-to-great films (Avengers, The Winter Soldier). Agents of Shield is a below-average TV show. If you actually love all of their work then you've got fanboy goggles on. They're not early Pixar.


That's a good point, I can't think of any large ensemble of films that is without a black sheep. Star Wars, Star Trek, Alien/Prometheus, James Bond, Marvel, X-Men, all have weak entries.

These posts sum up my feelings perfectly so no point replaying anymore. Couldnt agree more with all of this.
 
This is a MARVEL Studios forum for people who love the movies. So you guys can make your points about them not being perfect and how Edgar Wright is great and blah blah blah. Doesnt matter to us really. Thats not what the main focus of interest is here. All this type of stuff is just a diversion that certain people use to kinda trash talk MARVEL.
 
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This is a MARVEL Studios forum for people who love the movies. So you guys can make your points about them not being perfect and how Edgar Wright is great and blah blah blah. Doesnt matter to us really. Thats not what the main focus of interest is here.

We are all Marvel fans otherwise we wouldnt be here. Not everyone thinks all their movies are great is all, they have made some mis-steps and this has the potential to be another one.
 
I have to chuckle a little bit in here, I've been following this thread since its birth, and watching the debate unfold and without bringing to much hate my direction, I think its funny this argument is over Ant-Man of all characters. Don't get me wrong I love me a little Hank, and maybe its because I grew up reading comics where Ant-man(pym, lang, o'grady,whoever wore the suit that week) was always more of just a supporting character, but to see such a backlash amongst fans over this, I'm sitting here thinking "huh who knew Ant-Man had such strong supporters." It makes me wonder if people are more upset that they're not getting an Edgar Wright movie as opposed to an Ant-man movie.

Disclaimer: I support Edgar Wright, and Marvel Studios. I've seen(and enjoyed) all of their work.
 
Personally, I plan to support both Wright and Marvel in the future.
And, I will see Ant Man .
 
This is a MARVEL Studios forum for people who love the movies.

I thought this was a superhero movie forum set up for all superhero movies and set up before there was a Marvel studios. Unless you mean this section, then I agree.
 
I have to chuckle a little bit in here, I've been following this thread since its birth, and watching the debate unfold and without bringing to much hate my direction, I think its funny this argument is over Ant-Man of all characters. Don't get me wrong I love me a little Hank, and maybe its because I grew up reading comics where Ant-man(pym, lang, o'grady,whoever wore the suit that week) was always more of just a supporting character, but to see such a backlash amongst fans over this, I'm sitting here thinking "huh who knew Ant-Man had such strong supporters." It makes me wonder if people are more upset that they're not getting an Edgar Wright movie as opposed to an Ant-man movie.

Disclaimer: I support Edgar Wright, and Marvel Studios. I've seen(and enjoyed) all of their work.

Agreed dude! It's freaking Ant-Man we're talking about. Ant-Man! Hahaha.

But I think for a lot of people the only reason they were interested in the film was because Edgar Wright was directing and maybe it was the only reason the film was even getting made. Now that he's gone well who knows? Wheels are already set in motion so we have to see how it all plays out.

I'm rooting for the movie because I think what Marvel Studios has done is amazing and they are doing it without Spider-Man, the X-Men or the Fantastic Four. Who would have ever thought it? And I'm not a fan of the MCU because of Edgar Wright. Life will go on. Fans of Edgar Wright can still watch his next film. And opinions differ but Marvel has yet to really falter in my eyes. Maybe this will be the big one? I hope not. I hope Peyton Reed surprises everybody. Seems like a cool guy.
 
Kevin Feige talking with Empire magazine
"There’s always been disagreements, whether big or small; that’s the collaborative nature of filmmaking and in particular the collaborative nature at Marvel that has producers, not just me, that are very involved and very opinionated. We had always found a way around it, a way to battle through it and emerge on the other side with a better product. At no point do we hire filmmakers who do everything we say, and at no point do we hire filmmakers that we let just do anything they want. There is always a middle ground that we find, and it just became clear that both of us was just being too polite over the past eight years I guess! Then it was clear that, ‘Oh you’re really not gonna stop talking about that note?’ ‘Oh, you’re really not gonna do that note?’ Alright this isn’t working."
 

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