Ant-Man Edgar Wright Leaves Ant-Man!!

[Caboose]

I have read some comments on many sites the net, there's a lot of speculation going on as for who's going to direct this movie. Fans have been suggesting names like -

* Darren Aronofsky
* Alfonso Cuarón
* Matthew Vaughn
* Brad Bird.

Any suggestions ?

You really think any of those guys would want to waste their time with Ant-Man?

 

[Tequilla]

Edgar Wright is not a lackey , so im not surprised. Good for him , and more directors should have some self-respect before making so many turds for this studio.

At the end of the day , this is one of the roots for the incredible amount of crap that gets released . They think so much about tangents of the project that they forgot the most basic stuff...a good product.

 

[Endeavor]

Are you being ironic Endeavor?

If not, please consider for one second that Edgar & Joe worked on this for YEARS & YEARS, this is their baby, Marvel let him nurture it for a while...

Yeah........

Their baby? what?
Ant-Man was not created by Wright. It's not his intellectual property for him to do whatever he wishes. There HAVE to be boundaries. There have to be limits to what the actual owners of the intellectual property allow him to do, because they will have to live with the consequences of the outcome for longer than him. I think Marvel was lenient enough with him, as evidenced by the amount of time they waited for him (Ant-Man was supposed to be part of phase1!) plus the changes they accommodated for in the MCU based off HIS plans. He wanted more? Tough! Adhere to the parameters!

Maybe Marvel has finally learned something from the years of poor editorial management in the books, which is why we ended up with a Nightcrawler with 2 penises and all the other ridiculous things that have plagued the books for years. Maybe they don't want to let the MCU get as out of control as that. And if that's the case then good on them. And good riddance to the slowpoke that's leaving. I just wish he'd left a long time ago so somebody else had taken the reigns sooner.

 

[Caboose]

I'm not referring to that part of the story.

Why the hell was it still being tweeked at this point? 8 years man, 8 years!!!!

Most of these comic book properties get written in 6-8 months. There should've been no disconnect as to what Marvel wanted and Wright blending it accordingly.

Wouldn't be the first time Marvel suddenly decided to micromanage.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

@Endeavor: wow, no comment.

Anyway, isn't it the case that Ant-Man would not have happened without Edgar & Joe? I remember reading that if not for him, it wouldn't have been in Marvel's plans.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Wouldn't be the first time Marvel suddenly decided to micromanage.

Still missing the point. It's not about micro-management at this stage. They knew each other very well after 8 years. This isn't like someone who's fresh to the MCU.

 

[jbr]

The guys at The Playlist have heard the same/similar rumors as Latino Review:

What went wrong? Well, Latino-Review has the alleged scoop what what we’ve been hearing too: a recent script rewrite that was a dealbreaker for Wright.

There’s also been rumors that this decision came on from Disney and Alan Horn, the owners of Marvel Studios, and that might make sense given the fact that Marvel has been onboard with Wright’s vision they helped shape for years now. Theirs was akin to a symbiotic relationship with the same goal in mind: getting an Ant-Man film to the screen. It would make sense that an outsider looking in from the outside would place demands on the screenplay that hadn’t been there before. Of course this is all speculation at first (though we've also heard Feige went to bat for Wright and lost), but more will come out we’re sure.

 

[terry78]

nothing is ever as black and white it as it appears when it comes to this type of stuff man. nobody was a 100% hero or villain in this situation, I think both sides have blame to lay, as it is with most things.

 

[Endeavor]

@Endeavor: wow, no comment.

Anyway, isn't it the case that Ant-Man would not have happened without Edgar & Joe? I remember reading that if not for him, it wouldn't have been in Marvel's plans.

No

there's been a lot of noise about that but it's been speculation.

to my knowledged there's never been any official comment from Marvel folks saying anything like that.

we might've not had a standalone ant-man film but i fully believe if Wright had never been in the picture we would've had either Pym or Janet in Avengers, possibly both.

 

[Caboose]

Still missing the point. It's not about micro-management at this stage. They knew each other very well after 8 years. This isn't like someone who's fresh to the MCU.

This is from Faraci, who is saying the same thing as El Maybe and The Playlist:

"Yesterday Edgar Wright left Ant-Man when Marvel took him and Joe Cornish off the script and handed it to Eric Pearson, who had written the Marvel One Shots. Latino Review has the story here, and it's an ugly one of Marvel backing off their filmmaker at the last moment. The new script is apparently a disaster, and rumor has it that the problem is coming from higher up than Kevin Feige - Disney execs are sticking their fingers into the Marvel pie, I'm hearing."

And a little bit about Thor 2, while we're at it:

"
This follows on the heels of Marvel taking Thor: The Dark World away from Alan Taylor in post and having another director come on and shoot additional material. Marvel's always been autocratic - this is the house that Feige built, and he's been leading it with an iron fist - but things have been getting uglier over there for some time, especially now that Disney is getting involved. Why would the studio **** with the division that's making money and having a huge cultural impact right when they're at their best? Because of dumb egos. Hollywood is dumb, run by dumb, venal people, and the executives who aren't creative resent the people who are, and want to get their stink on the movies. And you have to understand that Disney doesn't care about the movies - they want the Marvel IP so they can sell diapers and shirts and bedsheets. The movies are just commercials for the IP."

 

[Six]

I'm going to close my eyes and count to 3 and when I open them, Edgar Wright and Drew Goddard will still be working for Marvel...

I can't believe this crap.
I don't care what it takes, Marvel needs to pull some strings to get both these guys back on their respective projects.

And if this is Disney... God damn it I DEFENDED YOU!

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Or maybe he didn't want to make a mediocre film like 6 of the 9 MCU films...

Edgar Wright is not a lackey , so im not surprised. Good for him , and more directors should have some self-respect before making so many turds for this studio.

At the end of the day , this is one of the roots for the incredible amount of crap that gets released . They think so much about tangents of the project that they forgot the most basic stuff...a good product.

I was wondering when the trolls would start crawling out from under their bridges.

 

[Rock Sexton]

This is from Faraci, who is saying the same thing as El Maybe and The Playlist:

"Yesterday Edgar Wright left Ant-Man when Marvel took him and Joe Cornish off the script and handed it to Eric Pearson, who had written the Marvel One Shots. Latino Review has the story here, and it's an ugly one of Marvel backing off their filmmaker at the last moment. The new script is apparently a disaster, and rumor has it that the problem is coming from higher up than Kevin Feige - Disney execs are sticking their fingers into the Marvel pie, I'm hearing."

And a little bit about Thor 2, while we're at it:

"
This follows on the heels of Marvel taking Thor: The Dark World away from Alan Taylor in post and having another director come on and shoot additional material. Marvel's always been autocratic - this is the house that Feige built, and he's been leading it with an iron fist - but things have been getting uglier over there for some time, especially now that Disney is getting involved. Why would the studio **** with the division that's making money and having a huge cultural impact right when they're at their best? Because of dumb egos. Hollywood is dumb, run by dumb, venal people, and the executives who aren't creative resent the people who are, and want to get their stink on the movies. And you have to understand that Disney doesn't care about the movies - they want the Marvel IP so they can sell diapers and shirts and bedsheets. The movies are just commercials for the IP."

Well then if Feige no longer has control like he once did, then yes that is a problem.

 

[terry78]

I'm going to close my eyes and count to 3 and when I open them, Edgar Wright and Drew Goddard will still be working for Marvel...

I can't believe this crap.
I don't care what it takes, Marvel needs to pull some strings to get both these guys back on their respective projects.

And if this is Disney... God damn it I DEFENDED YOU!

Why would they do that if the !movies make money regardless? Yeah that is the cynical angle but come on now. You know what's up.

 

[chamber-music]

It shouldn't have needed any re-writes at this time. IF the news is true it sounds like Wright was still handing in drafts ....... AFTER 8 YEARS? C'mon. How much damn time does that perfectionist need? He should've known Marvel's vision by now.

Well to be fair Edgar and Joe were not working on Ant-Man though out those 8 years. Edgar said he only concentrates on one project at a time. But Edgar and Joe were working on the script at Marvels offices in LA back in October so its strange that it has taken until now for Marvel to have issues with the screenplay. They said the studio handed Edgar and Joe notes and he tweaked his script. The general screenplay probably wasn't to different I would imagine.

They were still working on Iron Man's script a couple weeks before filming started and that turned out fine.

 

[Shikamaru]

So let me get this straight. He takes freaking forever to even get started. Marvel changes Avengers plans and references to Pym to make sure they don't conflict with Wright's vision, and he still has the cojones to leave this project? Damn you Wright, damn you to hell!

Yep. Guy comes in, f**** s*** up, then leaves.

All joking aside though, I blame Marvel for this, but for entirely different reasons than everyone else's.

Marvel threw all their eggs in one basket when it came to Hank/Janet. They loved the idea of Wright directing a Marvel film. They made accommodations to their universe to appease his vision, to an extent they haven't done with any other director. They said the Ant-Man film is happening because of Wright, and most here seem to have been more excited over the idea of Wright doing a superhero film than Ant-Man himself.

Whether he asked for an extension or parted due to differences in the vision, that's all irrelevant IMO. It's Marvel's fault for having put so much blind faith in him (and honestly, it's too bad Marvel couldn't be as sincere with some of the other directors that walked). Marvel should have seen this coming long ago.

At this point, is there any reason to continue this project? Things like using Lang and Old Man Pym were entirely part of Wright's vision. There's also nothing stopping Hank and Janet from being in the Avengers or for Hank to create Ultron. Now I'm not saying they should be shoehorned in Avengers 2 (Dear God, that would be suicidal at this stage), but rather that they made that sacrifice for nothing.

I guess what I'm getting at is it feels like Marvel is just continuing this because they're stuck with it. Which if true will lead to disaster.

 

[Six]

Why would they do that if the !movies make money regardless? Yeah that is the cynical angle but come on now. You know what's up.

Well, this is a major public embarrassment for them. They've at least had the appearance of having a competent working relationship with their directors but now its all crumbling apart. They should do some damage control. If Kevin Feige, Edgar Wright, and Joss Whedon(and I have a feeling Drew Goddard's departure might have something to do with this as they're friends), if they all think the original script is miles better, then go with it. I don't give two craps what some Disney executive thinks, probably the same one that greenlit freakin' the Lone Ranger.

 

[Endeavor]

you're right Shikamaru

I'd rather the whole project be scrapped than getting a bad film.

but let's wait to see who takes the reigns and what the supposed changes are, if we do get to hear believable scoops about it

 

[chamber-music]

This is from Faraci, who is saying the same thing as El Maybe and The Playlist:

"Yesterday Edgar Wright left Ant-Man when Marvel took him and Joe Cornish off the script and handed it to Eric Pearson, who had written the Marvel One Shots. Latino Review has the story here, and it's an ugly one of Marvel backing off their filmmaker at the last moment. The new script is apparently a disaster, and rumor has it that the problem is coming from higher up than Kevin Feige - Disney execs are sticking their fingers into the Marvel pie, I'm hearing."

And a little bit about Thor 2, while we're at it:

"
This follows on the heels of Marvel taking Thor: The Dark World away from Alan Taylor in post and having another director come on and shoot additional material. Marvel's always been autocratic - this is the house that Feige built, and he's been leading it with an iron fist - but things have been getting uglier over there for some time, especially now that Disney is getting involved. Why would the studio **** with the division that's making money and having a huge cultural impact right when they're at their best? Because of dumb egos. Hollywood is dumb, run by dumb, venal people, and the executives who aren't creative resent the people who are, and want to get their stink on the movies. And you have to understand that Disney doesn't care about the movies - they want the Marvel IP so they can sell diapers and shirts and bedsheets. The movies are just commercials for the IP."

Disney did this with Pixar and it didn't work out which is why they went back to hands off approach with those films. It was talked about on the Pixar documentary a few years ago. It looked like Disney had learned their lesson but apparently not.

 

[terry78]

I dig Wright's work but I'll be straight up, to the general populous I doubt this even will register. He's big amongst geek circles and will put a unique spin but no one is going to not see it if he's off the thing either.

 

[Steelsheen]

This is from Faraci, who is saying the same thing as El Maybe and The Playlist:

"Yesterday Edgar Wright left Ant-Man when Marvel took him and Joe Cornish off the script and handed it to Eric Pearson, who had written the Marvel One Shots. Latino Review has the story here, and it's an ugly one of Marvel backing off their filmmaker at the last moment. The new script is apparently a disaster, and rumor has it that the problem is coming from higher up than Kevin Feige - Disney execs are sticking their fingers into the Marvel pie, I'm hearing."

And a little bit about Thor 2, while we're at it:

"
This follows on the heels of Marvel taking Thor: The Dark World away from Alan Taylor in post and having another director come on and shoot additional material. Marvel's always been autocratic - this is the house that Feige built, and he's been leading it with an iron fist - but things have been getting uglier over there for some time, especially now that Disney is getting involved. Why would the studio **** with the division that's making money and having a huge cultural impact right when they're at their best? Because of dumb egos. Hollywood is dumb, run by dumb, venal people, and the executives who aren't creative resent the people who are, and want to get their stink on the movies. And you have to understand that Disney doesn't care about the movies - they want the Marvel IP so they can sell diapers and shirts and bedsheets. The movies are just commercials for the IP."

i was wondering what is the price for merging with Disney. when you sell your soul to the devil you dont expect to have the upper hand.

so this is it. we're in trouble

 

[Tequilla]

Marvel built their films to sell dippers. Off course Disney wants the same. I understand their position. They sell mediocre products for quick bucks. Wright changes that dynamic. They argue , and the conflict is resolved happily for both people.

He doesn't get attached to a bad movie.
They keep making mediocre stuff with success.

Lesson.
Always hire the lackeys.
Good directors need to learn to say NO.

So much trouble would be avoided.

 

[Micromind]

You really think any of those guys would want to waste their time with Ant-Man?

That was some bunch of fans speculating, not me.

I expect a journeyman director to complete the movie project so that it could be released in time.

Directors like Aronofsky, Cuarón, Vaughn and Bird would not show any interest in this.

 

[chamber-music]

Alan Horn has been possessed by the spirit of Tom Rothman

 

[JJ01]

I have the feeling these creative differences were about Janet. Seems to me Wright wanted this movie to be about Lang. Marvel or Disney probably wanted Janet have a bigger role as the Wasp. Wright did not like this idea because it didn't match his vision. At this point they should put it on hold, until they come with a good script that is not a disaster and someone capable of handling it. Then they can call Wright for the sequel, which would work better in my opinion as the focus would be Lang and there wouldn't be a need to shoehorn other characters. To steal an Ant-Man always seemed sequel material to me. It's surprising and sad that people were only interested in Wright and not in the character. I wonder what's Marvel going to do once they stop making Cap, Thor, Avengers and Iron Man movies. Will people care about their other less-known obscure characters?