Ant-Man Edgar Wright Leaves Ant-Man!!

[Ant-manic]

"We changed, frankly, some of the MCU [Marvel cinematic universe] to accommodate this version of Ant-Man. Knowing what we wanted to do with Edgar and with Ant-Man, going years and years back, helped to dictate what we did with the roster for Avengers that first time''

It doesn't mean they would have done an Ant-Man movie for phase 1. But maybe Hank and Janet could have been in the Avengers instead of Hawkeye and Widow, maybe even appearing in other phase 1 movies as SHIELD agents or something. Hank could have filled Hawkeye's and Selvig's role in the Avengers, for instance. It's sad that Wright was the reason this never happened and now Disney/Marvel booted him out of this. All for nothing.

Janet would have been in it. Hank would not have been. Pym could not have filled Selvig's role. the latter was in it as a linking element to Thor.

 

[Human Torch]

"We changed, frankly, some of the MCU [Marvel cinematic universe] to accommodate this version of Ant-Man. Knowing what we wanted to do with Edgar and with Ant-Man, going years and years back, helped to dictate what we did with the roster for Avengers that first time''

It doesn't mean they would have done an Ant-Man movie for phase 1. But maybe Hank and Janet could have been in the Avengers instead of Hawkeye and Widow, maybe even appearing in other phase 1 movies as SHIELD agents or something. Hank could have filled Hawkeye's and Selvig's role in the Avengers, for instance. It's sad that Wright was the reason this never happened and now Disney/Marvel booted him out of this. All for nothing.

True.Hopefully,they learned something going forward.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

It could be this way although Faraci is pretty well connected, might have some extra info.

@guitarsinger: Exactly, John Carter, Lone Ranger, except that Alan Horn hasn't been here for long. Too many fingers in too many pies it seems.

I hope they're not gonna screw it up, but Whedon, Gunn & Russo brothers sure give us a lot of hope.

 

[JJ01]

Janet would have been in it. Hank would not have been. Pym could not have filled Selvig's role. the latter was in it as a linking element to Thor.

How can you be so sure? He said it himself. Wright's vision helped to dictate the roster. The villain is the biggest linking element to Thor. Pym is also a scientist, I'd dare to say smarter than Selvig. It's just a big shame it was all for nothing.

 

[Human Torch]

I have the feeling these creative differences were about Janet. Seems to me Wright wanted this movie to be about Lang. Marvel or Disney probably wanted Janet have a bigger role as the Wasp. Wright did not like this idea because it didn't match his vision. At this point they should put it on hold, until they come with a good script that is not a disaster and someone capable of handling it. Then they can call Wright for the sequel, which would work better in my opinion as the focus would be Lang and there wouldn't be a need to shoehorn other characters. To steal an Ant-Man always seemed sequel material to me. It's surprising and sad that people were only interested in Wright and not in the character. I wonder what's Marvel going to do once they stop making Cap, Thor, Avengers and Iron Man movies. Will people care about their other less-known obscure characters?

Eh,there's a lot of posturing going on now.But once a trailer shows up,I'm willing to bet 90% of the people claiming "Wright was the only reason I was interested in this!" will be booking tickets for the midnight showing.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

From NeoGAF (from someone in the industry)

Devin knows someone in Disney. He also broke that Abrams was fighting w/ Lucasfilm & Disney last summer. At the time people wrote it off, but it turned out that he was absolutely right, and the fights were over scripting & scheduling.

Abrams has more leverage than Wright, Whedon & Goddard, so he got what he wants - until the movies don't hit their projected numbers.

Again - you can't just see the words "Latino Review" and pat yourself on the back like "Can't fool me, Latino Review!" because it doesn't work that way. They've missed a few times, but they've hit largely - and Devin wouldn't run this without doing his own verification aside from whatever reporting Umberto's doing over at Latino Review.

People are essentially just now starting to realize that Marvel ACTUALLY IS A CORPORATION, and not a single-minded, artist-friendly hive mind of really cool guys who care about the integrity of the movies they make.

In short - Marvel is just like ANY OTHER STUDIO operating in the film industry. Down to the executives looking to use the films made, and the profits earned, as a means to secure power within that industry. The quality of the product is secondary, if not tertiary, to those ends.

 

[Shikamaru]

Janet would have been in it. Hank would not have been. Pym could not have filled Selvig's role. the latter was in it as a linking element to Thor.

Eh? What are you basing all of that on?

It's also pretty clear they wouldn't have made it a linking element to Thor if they wanted to use Hank in a similar way. They would have accommodated the universe for that, much like they do for everything else.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

I'm extremely worried, particularly about joss leaving after a2

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Disney interference certainly isn't out of the realm of possibilities. They're wanting to milk the **** out of SW with all these spin-offs and such, and apparently they want GOTG to be their next big franchise, with possible spin-offs of that as well. I doubt the map on Feige's wall includes the likes of "Star Lord: The Movie" or "Rocket and Groot: Space Buddies".

I was just fixing to ask what kind of spin offs they could pull outta that, but you beat me to it.

 

[Ant-manic]

The older Pym was thing was Edgar's thing. I don't think Pym also being a scientist would of had any impact on Banner and Stark as their isn't a limit to how many big brain characters you can feature in on one team. Plenty of people want ultimate genius scientist Janet and Black Panther in the same line up as Banner and Stark.

you talk as if the posters here are decision makers and not a minority of the movie-going audience. do you see Black Panther in any of these movies? do you see scientist-Jan? there is a limit to the "big brain" characters. Whedon flat out said that they don't need hank Pym to tell their Ultron story. his inclusion wasn't a priority. that's why they allowed Wright to tell his story. it's most likely that Jan is the thing that they all don't agree about. she offers something new to the Avengers franchise. she just wasn't that important to Wright or his story. and, honestly, Pym might not be in the MCU at all; if not for Wright. he was always interested in telling the story of two Ant-Men.

Professor Selvig didn't tread on anyones toes in the first Avengers film when he dropped some scientific input in the film.

that's why they included him. he's someone that couldn't be an Avenger. he wasn't a physical combatant. he was perfect to be a pawn of Loki; moreso because he had already appeared in the first Thor movie. Pym could have been an old guy and Jane Foster's mentor. but none of you would have liked that.

It all comes down to how the characters are written, how they are used and the dynamic between them ultimately.

it comes down to money and marketing potential. Marvel had no use for another mad scientist.

 

[Rorschach2012]

i hope this means that Pym won't be an old man now. I want Pym and Janet on the team, not Scott Lang and Pym's daughter or whatever it was going to be... give me the real Wasp and Ant Man

 

[Rock Sexton]

Disney interference certainly isn't out of the realm of possibilities. They're wanting to milk the **** out of SW with all these spin-offs and such, and apparently they want GOTG to be their next big franchise, with possible spin-offs of that as well. I doubt the map on Feige's wall includes the likes of "Star Lord: The Movie" or "Rocket and Groot: Space Buddies".

Except the Disney influence has been there while IM3 banked over a billion. CA:TWS took in over $700 million and drew praise from critics. GOTG by all indications looks like something waaaaay different than the MCU has ever done.

Let's cool it with the Disney is going to screw everything up tone.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Eh,there's a lot of posturing going on now.But once a trailer shows up,I'm willing to bet 90% of the people claiming "Wright was the only reason I was interested in this!" will be booking tickets for the midnight showing.

 

[Ant-manic]

Eh? What are you basing all of that on?

the storyboards that included Jan but didn't include Hank. and Whedon's own preference of Jan.

It's also pretty clear they wouldn't have made it a linking element to Thor if they wanted to use Hank in a similar way. They would have accommodated the universe for that, much like they do for everything else.

do you have an example?

 

[HarryOsborn]

Well, Disney is notorious for flexing their muscles and screwing things up over the past several years aren't they?

How? Disney has like six production companies and no one goes into film making to make bad films, a company as successful as Disney isn't in the business of "Cash Grabs". Of course some of the movies aren't going to be good.

Honestly I'm glad Edgar Wright left, look at the box office totals for Shaun of the Dead, Scott Pilgrim, or World's End. He's just too bizarre for mainstream audiences, he said in 2010 he didn't want his film to be anything more than a stand alone piece, his vision conflicts with the greater picture. Antman would have come off as a wannabe cult classic, parody, and probably wouldn't perform well with mainstream audiences.

Matthew Vaughn signed on for First Class Ten Months before the film's release and that turned out to be fantastic. I have plenty of faith in the studios (Marvel and Disney) and their choices. After the Sony Amazing Spider-Man 2 debacle, it's clear that audiences want quality and don't just eat up superheroes for name value alone.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

I'm extremely worried, particularly about joss leaving after a2

He's not contracted for 3? Idk why I thought he was.

 

[Human Torch]

i hope this means that Pym won't be an old man now. I want Pym and Janet on the team, not Scott Lang and Pym's daughter or whatever it was going to be... give me the real Wasp and Ant Man

Seconded.

 

[Human Torch]

 

[Bruce Malone]

Except the Disney influence has been there while IM3 banked over a billion. CA:TWS took in over $700 million and drew praise from critics. GOTG by all indications looks like something waaaaay different than the MCU has ever done.

Let's cool it with the Disney is going to screw everything up tone.

Disney is usually slow to let their influence be felt on a purchased property. As I mentioned they left Pixar alone the first few years, then they started pushing all the sequels and we got a Cars 2.

Disney may be just now starting to exert their real influence and Ant-Man may be the first project to feel that.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

James Gunn commented on the situation on FB:

Sometimes you have friends in a relationship. You love each of them dearly as individuals and think they're amazing people. When they talk to you about their troubles, you do everything you can to support them, to keep them together, because if you love them both so much doesn't it make sense they should love each other? But little by little you realize, at heart, they aren't meant to be together - not because there's anything wrong with either of them, but they just don't have personalities that mesh in a comfortable way. They don't make each other happy. Although it's sad to see them split, when they do, you're surprisingly relieved, and excited to see where their lives take them next.

It's easy to try to make one party "right" and another party "wrong" when a breakup happens, but it often isn't that simple. Or perhaps it's even more simple than that - not everyone belongs in a relationship together. It doesn't mean they're not wonderful people.

And that's true of both Edgar Wright and Marvel. One of them isn't a person, but I think you get what I mean.



He also said this in a comment: " Disney has never once interfered or asked for a single note to be implemented on Guardians. They have been one-hundred-percent hands-off."

 

[Rock Sexton]

Honestly I'm glad Edgar Wright left, look at the box office totals for Shaun of the Dead, Scott Pilgrim, or World's End. He's just too bizarre for mainstream audiences, he said in 2010 he didn't want his film to be anything more than a stand alone piece, his vision conflicts with the greater picture. Antman would have come off as a wannabe cult classic, parody, and probably wouldn't perform well with mainstream audiences.

Shhhhhh don't mention Wright's box office #'s. It's a dirty secret.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

How? Disney has like six production companies and no one goes into film making to make bad films, a company as successful as Disney isn't in the business of "Cash Grabs". Of course some of the movies aren't going to be good.

Honestly I'm glad Edgar Wright left, look at the box office totals for Shaun of the Dead, Scott Pilgrim, or World's End. He's just too bizarre for mainstream audiences, he said in 2010 he didn't want his film to be anything more than a stand alone piece, his vision conflicts with the greater picture. Antman would have come off as a wannabe cult classic, parody, and probably wouldn't perform well with mainstream audiences.

Matthew Vaughn signed on for First Class Ten Months before the film's release and that turned out to be fantastic. I have plenty of faith in the studios (Marvel and Disney) and their choices. After the Sony Amazing Spider-Man 2 debacle, it's clear that audiences want quality and don't just eat up superheroes for name value alone.

It's been internet rumor for years that Disney has a habit of dabbling with the creative process of their movies and that it's generally turned out very negative. Obviously I don't have an inside scoop and don't claim to, but Disney's track record in the film department has been ****. That kinda speaks for itself.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Disney is usually slow to let their influence be felt on a purchased property. As I mentioned they left Pixar alone the first few years, then they started pushing all the sequels and we got a Cars 2.

Disney may be just now starting to exert their real influence and Ant-Man may be the first project to feel that.

What a convenient response.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

He also said this in a comment: " Disney has never once interfered or asked for a single note to be implemented on Guardians. They have been one-hundred-percent hands-off."

Cue someone calling him a liar and sell-out in 3... 2... 1...

 

[chamber-music]

Disney is usually slow to let their influence be felt on a purchased property. As I mentioned they left Pixar alone the first few years, then they started pushing all the sequels and we got a Cars 2.

Disney may be just now starting to exert their real influence and Ant-Man may be the first project to feel that.

Like a Sith waiting in the shadows