Emma Watson in Beauty and the Beast - Part 1

[The Guard]

Haven't there been gay characters in Disney films before, even implied? The article doesn't specify 'live-action.'

Furthermore, there's a lot of news articles floating around that the movie will have an "exclusively gay moment."

What does that even mean? As in, what makes it 'exclusively' gay?

It means Lefou will discover he has feelings for Gaston, and they will hint that he is discovering that he is gay.

Because you want your openly gay character in a children's movie to be in an abusive relationship with the object of their affections. Go Disney.

Although maybe they took out the abusive elements of their relationship, and they're just bullies together still. Go Disney.

 

[Faora]

New clip.

Dinner Invitation

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We see they change all scene "Dinner request". Beast not so furious, rude with raging expression. We see him more gently, calm and humble. And it's very interesting new vision of Beast. Also Bell just try escape!) I like that.

 

[X Knight]

I don't have much of a problem with LeFou being gay, since he is a minor character. If you're going to make changes, make changes to minor characters like LeFour Plus, it makes sense given his character.

However, I have to ask. Why?? Is it really needed??

One could say it was implied in the original film, though I never got the impression that LeFou was gay and in love with Gaston, just an obsessive admirer and yes-man. If he was gay, it was implied and subtle and left open to interpretation.

why couldn't they have just left it like that in the new film, instead of making it overt if that's what they are planning to do?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't have much of a problem with LeFou being gay, since he is a minor character. If you're going to make changes, make changes to minor characters like LeFour Plus, it makes sense given his character.

However, I have to ask. Why?? Is it really needed??

One could say it was implied in the original film, though I never got the impression that LeFou was gay and in love with Gaston, just an obsessive admirer and yes-man. If he was gay, it was implied and subtle and left open to interpretation.

why couldn't they have just left it like that in the new film, instead of making it overt if that's what they are planning to do?

Knight, you seem to care a lot about characters being gay. To the point of taking offence. Like there has to be a profound reason behind it.

 

[X Knight]

Knight, you seem to care a lot about characters being gay. To the point of taking offence. Like there has to be a profound reason behind it.

I'm not taking offense to a character being gay.

I take offense when they make changes to an already established character/story/property. and when such changes seem unneeded and seem to be more motivated for a PC agenda or whatever.

I have no problems with a character being gay.

For example, I'm reading the fantastic Supergirl: Being Super comic miniseries. One of Kara's best friends, Dolly, is a lesbian. And they established that right off the bat, and I have no problems with it.

In the Flash show, the police chief ( Captain Singh? ) is gay. As is Curtis in Arrow ( and Sarah Lance is bi ). I have no problems with any of those characters being gay.

I just, in general, don't like changes to existing, already established characters or stories, especially when the changes seem unnecessary.

With LeFou, though, I'm more willing to accept or tolerate the change because he is a minor character in the story and the change actually makes sense for the character. I just have to ask why even make the change in the first place.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Let's face it, LeFou is not a character we get much of a backstory for in the original BATB. A change to such a minimal character isn't really a big deal in my eyes, when you watch the original it's highly possible the character was gay in the first place. It's not like it's a stretch by any means.

 

[X Knight]

Let's face it, LeFou is not a character we get much of a backstory for in the original BATB. A change to such a minimal character isn't really a big deal in my eyes, when you watch the original it's highly possible the character was gay in the first place. It's not like it's a stretch by any means.

and that's why, on the whole, I don't have much of a problem with it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't have much of a problem with LeFou being gay, since he is a minor character. If you're going to make changes, make changes to minor characters like LeFour Plus, it makes sense given his character.

However, I have to ask. Why?? Is it really needed??

One could say it was implied in the original film, though I never got the impression that LeFou was gay and in love with Gaston, just an obsessive admirer and yes-man. If he was gay, it was implied and subtle and left open to interpretation.

why couldn't they have just left it like that in the new film, instead of making it overt if that's what they are planning to do?

Because it is the 21st century and being gay isn't an "issue" that should be considered anything major? He' gay, cool, no meditation on the idea needed. No "justification" needed. Same for Alex.

 

[X Knight]

Because it is the 21st century and being gay isn't an "issue" that should be considered anything major? He' gay, cool, no meditation on the idea needed. No "justification" needed. Same for Alex.

that's not the issue and you missed the point I was trying to make in my prior post.

it has nothing to do with being gay but changing existing characters.

Alex is an original character, so there's more freedom and leeway to write her character. My issue with her was not that she was gay, but how she was written in Season 1 vs Season 2. for me, it felt a bit inconsistent, but that's more the writing and the tonal shift between Season 1 and 2 and not the character itself. Lots of things feel inconsistent from Season 1 to 2 in Supergirl.

LeFou is a bit different in that he's an already existing character who they are now making a change to. But he's a minor character, so it's less big of a deal and it actually fits his character.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

that's not the issue and you missed the point I was trying to make in my prior post.

it has nothing to do with being gay but changing existing characters.

Alex is an original character, so there's more freedom and leeway to write her character. My issue with her was not that she was gay, but how she was written in Season 1 vs Season 2. for me, it felt a bit inconsistent, but that's more the writing and the tonal shift between Season 1 and 2 and not the character itself.

LeFou is a bit different in that he's an already existing character who they are now making a change to. But he's a minor character, so it's less big of a deal.

Being gay doesn't change his character. Alex being gay doesn't change her character. That is what I am confused about with your argument. LeFou is a character who functions to fawn over Gaston. He admires him, he "loves" him. Him being gay does not change that. If anything it makes the devotion a bit more clear.

Alex's character on Supergirl was not changed with her being gay. Her romantic life was a non-issue and she did not react to men in a romantic manner. As others mentioned, it was kind of hinted at in the first season.

 

[X Knight]

Being gay doesn't change his character. Alex being gay doesn't change her character. That is what I am confused about with your argument. LeFou is a character who functions to fawn over Gaston. He admires him, he "loves" him. Him being gay does not change that. If anything it makes the devotion a bit more clear.

Alex's character on Supergirl was not changed with her being gay. Her romantic life was a non-issue and she did not react to men in a romantic manner. As others mentioned, it was kind of hinted at in the first season.

So, would you be ok if a character was gay in the original story, and then many years later they remake/adapt the story and make the character straight?

What if they adapted Alex Danvers into the Supergirl comics ( it already has Eliza and Jeremiah Danvers and the DEO ), but made Alex straight instead of gay as she's in the show?

They don't really change anything about the character other than her being straight instead of gay. Instead of being Maggie's lover, they are now just best friends.

Would you say she's still the same character?

Largely, she would still be the same character. But you can't say that the dynamic between her and Maggie wouldn't change by making Alex straight instead of Maggie's gay lover.

It does change the character. Maybe not the character itself but the character's relationships with other characters.

And LeFou fawned, admired, and "loved" Gaston in the original film without having to be gay. I never got the impression he was gay, but if someone did, that means it was subtle and implied and left open to interpretation. Which is how they could have left it in this film.

Making LeFou gay actually does change the character, I'd argue, because now it adds a level of sexual/physical/romantic attraction. LeFou now doesn't just admire Gaston because he thinks Gaston is the best, most awesome, most coolest guy in town. He now admires Gaston because he's actually in love with and attracted to Gaston.

So, imo, that's a change. It's a change that fits the character, but it's still a change. LeFou himself maybe largely the same character, but now his relationship with Gaston takes on a new dynamic that wasn't present before.

 

[ironwez20]

So is gaston going to be gay to?

 

[The Guard]

No. He's going to be dead.

 

[X Knight]

^ but his chest hair will live on for the inevitable sequel.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So, would you be ok if a character was gay in the original story, and then many years later they remake/adapt the story and make the character straight?

I call that changing a character.

What if they adapted Alex Danvers into the Supergirl comics ( it already has Eliza and Jeremiah Danvers and the DEO ), but made Alex straight instead of gay as she's in the show?

And LeFou fawned, admired, and "loved" Gaston in the original film without having to be gay. I never got the impression he was gay, but if someone did, that means it was subtle and implied and left open to interpretation. Which is how they could have left it in this film.

Making LeFou gay actually does change the character, I'd argue, because now it adds a level of sexual/physical/romantic attraction. LeFou now doesn't just admire Gaston because he thinks Gaston is the best, most awesome, most coolest guy in town. He now admires Gaston because he's actually in love with and attracted to Gaston.

So, imo, that's a change. It's a change that fits the character, but it's still a change.

Depends. Is it a main characters whose story is written around their sexual identity? There is also the consideration for a lack of LGBT characters in general.

LeFou did have an attraction to Gatson. Listen to the song. It is all about how attractive Gaston is. It isn't something a guy makes for his male friend he isn't attracted to.

 

[scarlet-witch]

I wonder how many phobes will boycott now that this is out? *rolls eyes*

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I wonder how many phobes will boycott now that this is out? *rolls eyes*

Enough to turn this into a financial disaster like TFA.

 

[scarlet-witch]

Enough to turn this into a financial disaster like TFA.

I miss your Luke/Leia/Han avatar

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I miss your Luke/Leia/Han avatar

It kept making me sad.

Plus this one show my true nature far better.

 

[X Knight]

Depends. Is it a main characters whose story is written around their sexual identity? There is also the consideration for a lack of LGBT characters in general.

LeFou did have an attraction to Gatson. Listen to the song. It is all about how attractive Gaston is. It isn't something a guy makes for his male friend he isn't attracted to.

fair enough. and that's the same for me. it depends on the situation and character they are changing.

and in this case, it doesn't bother me that much. so I can accept it.

and with that, I think we've both argued our points enough so let's just leave it here.

 

[Schlosser85]

I thought LeFou having a big giant crush on Gaston was kind of "duh" in the original movie, so....meh.

 

[Darkness Falls]

i like it honestly
makes sense

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

I don't have much of a problem with LeFou being gay. You could definitely read into that in the original.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

fair enough. and that's the same for me. it depends on the situation and character they are changing.

and in this case, it doesn't bother me that much. so I can accept it.

and with that, I think we've both argued our points enough so let's just leave it here.

 

[X Knight]