Episode 11 - "Fallout" - Discussion Thread

GL1 said:
Peter's vision: Everyone was evactuated ahead of time with what? A bunch of cars with doors open clogging up all the streets? No, if what Peter saw was the future, then those people were taken by an unnatural means. Look at what happened to Houston during Rita... evacuating a large city takes a week if not more... and that doesn't involve tens of thousands of cars being open in the middle of the street.

I suddenly have an alternate theory.

What if Peter's visioin simply wasn't the future. Claire in her Uniform in NYC? Parkman doing Beat cop work in NYC? With nukes going off, where was Ted? Isn't he more prevalent or important than Simone? Or DL-Nikki-Micah... and Nikki out of prison? Not likely... are we really to believe that Suresh and SImone simply could not be evacuated?

And I think we agree that Peter was not using Isaac or Hiro's power, so why would he be seeing the future anyway?

I think of it as an allegory. A dream, of which Peter has many. New York is being evacuated, Isaac holds simone back from Peter (remember, Simone broke up with Isaac because of the powers which she now accepts), The Powered Family continues to run while Matt tries to protect them, Nathan is the one who confronts Peter and Hiro watches, his hands tied. A dream sequence, a preview in it's own way, but not the actual future.

That's my theory for now.

GL!, Very well stated.
I also see it as a dream sequence of thinks to come. Everyone who played a part in the dream remained the way we met them when the show first started - the cheerleader - the cop - the family on the run - the protective but distant relative - the struggling couple with issues - and the best friends who want to be heroes.
 
Mysterio said:
whoa whoa whoa. those screencaps say "HD" beside the NBC logo. Heroes is in high definition?

Yes dear... you have not experienced Heroes until you see it in HD.:woot:
 
PowersOfMind said:
Yes dear... you have not experienced Heroes until you see it in HD.:woot:
Is it regular NBC channel, or an NBC HD specific channel?
 
GL1 said:
7) If they have an actual dinosaur fight (obligatory for superheroes... you're not a real super until you've fought a T-Rex.)

Actually, that's an Alosaurus. Longer arms, rounder head.

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Mysterio said:
Is it regular NBC channel, or an NBC HD specific channel?

NBC HD.

I have DirectTV in HD and I get both the regular and HD versions of NBC
 
Wolfwood said:
Also, something I've been wondering about for a long time that hasn't been touched on since. What happened with the little girl that the psy-cop originally found? Sylar really wanted her and yet, he had trouble controlling her. I mean, he had just forced a guy in a chair through a ceiling, yet he couldn't hold on to a little girl? That's been bugging me since they showed that.

No thoughts on the little girl? I think she's going to be important to the future of the show somehow.
 
Wolfwood said:
No thoughts on the little girl? I think she's going to be important to the future of the show somehow.

She came and went so fast that we just forgot about her existence.
 
I can't remember the episode that well, are we sure Sylar was there for the girl? If so then she would've had powers and I suppose you have a valid reason for wondering how she fits into all of this. But if not, then you may have read too much into it.
 
PowersOfMind said:
NBC HD.

I have DirectTV in HD and I get both the regular and HD versions of NBC
ah, there it is. i don't have DirectTV. just cable with a high def receiver. dang. would love to see Heroes in HD. the HD channels we do have are awesome.

edit: kick ass! we do get the HD NBC channel. dang. now, i'll have to watch the reruns :D
 
as usual I still hate the Jessica/Nikki stuff...this was a good episode though...and I was glad to see that just about every character was fit into this episode.

I'm glad to see that they are meeting eachother talking to eachother and understanding eachother.

Isaac only needed a reason to believe that he could use his power without getting high...by surrounding himself with people that believe in him...in a positive atmosphere where he's not being pressured to paint. That was great character development for him...

I'm still just so angry about Eden...ugh...we knew it was gonna happen when she decided to let it get all personal.

Best line ever..."I need to find that sword."
And people please...they are not going to kill off one of the most badass villains before the season is even close to being over...it just wont happen, Sylar keeps the suspense of the show going, he represents true evil...the heroes have seen thier enemy and need to stop him...end of story.
 
Poor Eden, her father didn't even give a damn about her death. At least Sylar didn't gain her powers.
 
Well Sylar gaining the power of persuasion would make him a little too powerful
 
Well Sylar is still in custody so even if he gained her power, he wouldn't be too much of a threat at the moment.
 
hippie_hunter said:
Well Sylar is still in custody so even if he gained her power, he wouldn't be too much of a threat at the moment.
did he just punch through the window then?
 
no...I'm pretty sure she de-activated the power blocker, thinking that she would get to him first, but at the moment he realized she was using her powers he immediately used his. He either has her power now...or, he we'll see that he gets interupted and has to flee first....cuz yeah...if he gets Edens powers...he'll be too powerful.
 
He pulled Eden through it with his Telekensis.
 
Mysterio said:
ah, there it is. i don't have DirectTV. just cable with a high def receiver. dang. would love to see Heroes in HD. the HD channels we do have are awesome.

edit: kick ass! we do get the HD NBC channel. dang. now, i'll have to watch the reruns :D

HD is essential :woot:
 
Captn Eclipse said:
Well if you journey to NBC'S Graphic Novel page on the Official Heroes Site you'll learn why Peter lost conciousness on the steps and it's because, Sylar got Tranq'd with enough darts to take down a Elephant... which in Peter's case put him into a coma since he's still linked with him ^ ^;

that makes sense, sylar lost a lot of blood, thats why peter looked so sick. who was bennet on the phone with? he's not the boss.
 
As an unofficial "fall finale", Episode 11 had some high expectations for a confrontation, and in a way it didn't deliver, but only because it was more subtle than the melodramatic commercials claimed. That's the nature of promos. But still, there was development and a "hero" did indeed die.

After seemingly a month of seeing Jessica/Nikki aim at D.L., there finally is a reckoning and a confrontation; it was cool seeing D.L. phase past the second bullet. Nikki manages to retake control of herself when her alter-ego hurts Micah in a rage, and decides to surrender to police to remove herself as a threat. Again, her storyline isn't bad, it just doesn't link up with the main story as well; it almost feels like a sort of side-story. The writers almost have had to bend over backwards to give Nikki and D.L. slight connections to the rest (Ando spoke to her online, and she slept with Nathan, while D.L. & Micah met Hiro). After 11 episodes, their sideplot was starting to drag a little, but hopefully it will pick up.

As predicted, Peter's arrest meant that he got to meet Matt, and aped his telepathy, which proved for an interesting little scene. Claire and Mr. Bennet also thank him for saving her from Sylar, with Bennet even going so far as to claim he "owes him one". An ally like that, especially with Nathan being what he is, may come in handy. Or become a Faustian deal. There seemed to be a hint of romantic chemistry between Peter and Claire, and if so, that's anime-pedolicious. Claire's, what, 17-18 and Peter's got to be in his mid 20's. Granted, this was a show that had Isaac rely on heroin for his visions for 9 episodes, but still....I can see Tuxedo Mask looking at Peter and going, "Dude, she's kinda young". Yeah.

Maybe I'm just a prude.

Isaac seemingly draws some sketches sober, but doesn't believe they are fortune-seeking, and is told by Mr. Bennet that he has to make a stand. So he decides to call Hiro at the exact moment he speaks of destiny, and the two finally meet (with Ando). Hiro reveals his knowledge of the future and Isaac reveals a scene of Hiro seemingly fighting a dinosaur with a katanna. "I have to get that sword" indeed.

Sylar, meanwhile, is interrogated and matches barbs with Mr. Bennet. His power seems to be "seeing how things work, even people" and somehow aping his DNA to match his enhanced victims, but perhaps at the price of his sanity. Mr. Bennet is ordered to keep Sylar alive, something that disgusts Eden as he did technically kill her friend (Mohinder's dad). Mr. Bennet also gets busy creeping out his daughter by using the Haitian to mindwipe her brother and her friend. Meanwhile, Matt spots the Haitian (after he blocks Claire & Bennet from being mind-read) and starts to put together bits from his own abduction at Bennet's hands. However, the Haitian finally speaks and has his own agenda.

Peter has a seemingly metaphoric dream that the disaster they are all meant to prevent is caused by him, despite himself. Hiro also questions "how do you stop an exploding man", which made me think of Ted, the Radiation Man. He can barely control himself, how could Peter if he suddenly "gained" them?

The show's climax, however, comes when Eden forces a showdown with Sylar, who uses the oppurtunity to smash free of his prison. However, Eden shoots herself in the brain rather than allow Sylar to "gain" her power, as he usually has need brain matter to do it. The actress' contract was not renewed and the NY POST confirmed that she is indeed dead (but may reappear in flashbacks). Some folks predicted her (I believe I did too), and she was a good choice, as her death was climatic but wouldn't shatter the status quo of the show too much, or deprive us of a really major character. I certainly never saw her as a huge character, least when compared to Bennet, Claire, Hiro, Peter, Nathan, Nikki, etc. I'm glad that Sylar is out as getting rid of their only villian so soon would have been a mistake.

Episode 11 had enough edge to keep one anxious for another month but at least not harshly so; I've seen far worse cliffhangers.
 
Um, guys? In Peter's vision, I don't think the city had been evacuated. I think he was simply only seeing the important figures. The way Matt was acting, it seemed that he was trying to direct people to safety who weren't there.
 
Or the city was evactuated. Possibly by Hiro with a mass teleportation. Wouldn't that be something....
 
Anubis said:
Or it was vision of the actual future....

Yeah, Matt just happens to be in his old cop outfit all the way in a different state, calmly guiding people to safety step by step when the whole city is about to be nuked. Claire just happens to be in her cheerleader outfit too. Must be an out of state game. Don't forget that everyone is acting completely out of character, looking at Peter in disdain for something he can't help or control. Use your brain.
 

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