Episode 11 - "Fallout" - Discussion Thread

[Felix Fangor]

I think the only way to cure that Jessica/Niki subplot is have the Haitian come over to the police station and erase Niki's memory of Jessica...

 

[Antrax255]

kill nikki and leave jessica so we can have villians= jessica sylar nathan

 

[ragdus]

The reason Peter was sick was because his body couldnt handle coming into contact with all those powers in such a short span of time. Remember he met Claire, Sylar(who has more than one ability), Matt and then Nathan.

You have no way of knowing that's what's making him sick. I tend to agree with you, but it shouldn't be stated as fact yet.

 

[ragdus]

I think the only way to cure that Jessica/Niki subplot is have the Haitian come over to the police station and erase Niki's memory of Jessica...

How about, after 11 episodes now, offering some nugget as to how they fit into the overall story? I'm not asking for her role, or those of DL and Micah, to be prominent at this point; but could we please have some idea what the point of their even existing in this story is?

They're role right now is way too daytime soap opera-ish. Let's get some greater context.

 

[Angry Sentinel]

I think the only way to cure that Jessica/Niki subplot is have the Haitian come over to the police station and erase Niki's memory of Jessica...

I'm not to sure it's just a memory.

 

[Felix Fangor]

I'm not to sure it's just a memory.

That's pretty evident looking at the fact that this memory of her sister turned her into a Jekyll & Hyde-like split persona. Maybe if the Haitian could erase Niki's memory, she will supress her evil side.

It could be that Jessica is actually the real person and Niki is the alter ego. That would explain alot.

 

[GL1]

It's also possible that Jessica had power to transfer her mind/conciousness/soul into Nikki's body before she died. We simply don't know yet, though, honestly, Jessica actually being Jessica sounds like the coolest option to me.

Also, Nathan is not a villain... I think that's pretty clear at this point in the way he's dealt with Peter and how his being a jerk has been explained by his wife's paralysis and Linderman's strongarming.

Also, Peter's sickness is not explained. Coming into contact with many powers in a short time doesn't sound right, and him falling out at Sylar being tranqued sounds completely wrong. Several things were happening when Peter began getting sick and at this point it's possible we still don't have enough information to totally figure it out.

Remember when he was interogated? They commented how healthy he was. The contact and confrontation with Sylar and Claire had no detrimental effect on him. There's something else going on here... especially for it to result in him not breathing...

 

[Lurk]

When does he start coughing and looking ill? He has a migraine when he's being interrogated. He's sweating and coughing when Claire visits. Why isn't Claire's presence enough to heal whatever is affecting him physically, power-overload or not?

 

[PowersOfMind]

It's also possible that Jessica had power to transfer her mind/conciousness/soul into Nikki's body before she died. We simply don't know yet, though, honestly, Jessica actually being Jessica sounds like the coolest option to me.

Also, Nathan is not a villain... I think that's pretty clear at this point in the way he's dealt with Peter and how his being a jerk has been explained by his wife's paralysis and Linderman's strongarming.

Also, Peter's sickness is not explained. Coming into contact with many powers in a short time doesn't sound right, and him falling out at Sylar being tranqued sounds completely wrong. Several things were happening when Peter began getting sick and at this point it's possible we still don't have enough information to totally figure it out.

Remember when he was interogated? They commented how healthy he was. The contact and confrontation with Sylar and Claire had no detrimental effect on him. There's something else going on here... especially for it to result in him not breathing...

He was already looking sick by the time Audrey and Matt were interogating him. Audrey asked him if her was alright and he said his head felt like it was going to split open.

When does he start coughing and looking ill? He has a migraine when he's being interrogated. He's sweating and coughing when Claire visits. Why isn't Claire's presence enough to heal whatever is affecting him physically, power-overload or not?

We dont know if Claire can cure illness. She heals open wounds and such but not illness as far as we know

 

[Angry Sentinel]

When does he start coughing and looking ill? He has a migraine when he's being interrogated. He's sweating and coughing when Claire visits. Why isn't Claire's presence enough to heal whatever is affecting him physically, power-overload or not?

This bothered me as well, I would've thought he would begin to get better, but if it was a power overload... then maybe Claire's effects weren't enough

Remember when he was interogated? They commented how healthy he was. The contact and confrontation with Sylar and Claire had no detrimental effect on him.

He did mention he had a headache though, matt offered him his pills. I assumed it was because of the feedback from matt. I think he overloaded simply because there were too many gifted people in his immediate vicinity.

 

[ragdus]

There was an interview with the guy who plays matt posted here not too long ago where he said Peter gets his headaches because matt has headaches.

 

[Mysterio]

there is nothing to suggest that Peter is overloading. his health was fine when he was interviewed by Parkman and what's-her-name.

but Peter does have dreams (does anyone remember in Six Months Ago when Nathan flew up out of the car, it cut to Peter waking from a dream and Peter's arm was straight up in the air? that was weird, huh? or is it...?).

here's another dream i haven't seen anyone mention: in Fallout, Peter is visited by Nathan. Peter says that he doesn't know if he can stop the bomb. Nathan turns into Sylar, telling Peter "you can't." Peter then wakes up.

 

[PowersOfMind]

You have no way of knowing that's what's making him sick. I tend to agree with you, but it shouldn't be stated as fact yet.

That is true. It could be a red herring so I wont state it as fact. I was just working with what the show's creator said.

 

[Darren Daring]

[BLACKOUT]Actually, they said so in the TV Guide, it's too many powers that make him sick.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[ragdus]

[BLACKOUT]Actually, they said so in the TV Guide, it's too many powers that make him sick.[/BLACKOUT]

Well there you go then. :meow:

 

[Lurk]

When Peter absorbs an ability, does it temporarily alter his DNA? Each hero's DNA is altered according to his or her ability (I think that's what Chandra was getting at); so, when Peter mimics, is his DNA affected since that's what allows the heros to do what they do? I'm wondering if this may have something to do with his illness and possibly-simultaneous collapse with Sylar. Sylar has been permanently altering his DNA (I presume) with multiple mutations and is corrupting his system (or so thinks HRG). Perhaps Sylar's original fix-it mutation allows him to remain intact, so to speak, and not show signs of illness. But since Peter doesn't have that original mutation, he can't sustain himself after the corruption to his system after his contact with Sylar......Yeah, I don't know if that made any sense, but maybe you see where I'm going with it.

Also, does Sylar original mutation possibly allow him to rearrange things at even a cellular level? That's the only reasonable way I could see him take on these other powers using a specific original power of his own. Sure, he knows how things are broken, but how has he managed to make changes to his brain? Could he "will" an object to fix itself? Or does he have to use tools like he would with a watch, I mean, timepiece?

 

[burning-robot]

Burning bot I think your cap is too early for the snapshot.



Two frames before this one (trust me) Clair is in exactly the position she assumes in the painting when she's looking at Syler and not Peter. But this is the snapshot moment and Peter is most definitely there. Also note the Sylar shadow is late because Pete held him up. The clincher is that for this painting we got to see exactly what Isaac saw when he was in his precog trance and he didn't see Peter at all.

Future Hiro negated the painting.

Although since the events have transpired maybe the painting, last seen in Benett's possession, now has Peter in it. Somebody should go check.

So you are saying that the paintings depict a future in-which Peter was never there to save Claire? So how do you explain the painting of the Dead-peter in front of the school? Issac said he painted it weeks ago, so he painted it before future-hiro even came back.

 

[PowersOfMind]

[blackout]Actually, they said so in the TV Guide, it's too many powers that make him sick.[/blackout]

Right. I couldnt remember where I had read it.t:

 

[Dr.Doom]

I think that his power is that he (obviously) can see how things "tick," he opens up their heads, analyzes them at the DNA level, and then rearranges his own DNA to exhibit the same powers. That's my guess. That's why these powers are "corrupting" him. It's also interesting that he has a Jekkyl and Hyde complex: He was pissed at Eden because she allowed him to turn into what he did.

It's too bad they offed Eden. She could have been a really complex character, and she was easily the hottest girl on the show.

 

[SLYspyder]

he's sick because he's still bonded to Sylar, and Sylar got pumped with all those tranquilizers....THUS Peter felt the effects

that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard. peter absorbs people's powers, that's it! he doesn't get linked to them in anyway, he gets their powers, he doesn't become them. he's not gonna get a cold because claire has one, and he's not gonna be a heroine addict because isaac is one. cause that's what you're saying basically.

and to further kill your argument, tranquilizers don't make you cough, turn pale/sick, they make you sleep.

 

[Abaddon]

Peter's feeling the effects of all the powers Sylar's taken

 

[SLYspyder]

yeah, neemer5 is on drugs. eden was definitely not the hottest girl on the show. Jessica is, and Nikki in a close second.

 

[Abaddon]

lol. I like how you acknowledge them as different people.

 

[Red Arrow]

Nikki > everyone else.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

But people cared for Eden more than they cared for Nikki.
Even me, and I like Nikki.
Eden's character was full of nuances that could be explored further. But hey, this show throw us a curveball every episode, so what the heck.