Episode 11 - "Fallout" - Discussion Thread

[Lurk]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, behind the scenes taping episode 11: http://www.nbc.com/Video/rewind/full_episodes/heroes.shtml?show=heroes11.

 

[PLAS]

He painted Claire running up the steps by herself. When it happened, Peter was with her the whole time.

really? one of the images was this huge zoom in on her face, nobody else could be seen

 

[3 Dev Adam]

Let's look back at the first pages and see how wrong we were, eh?

 

[3 Dev Adam]

BTW, in the dream sequence they showed all the heroes... and SIMONE was there.

There may be a tiny possibility that she has some power. Or maybe not.

 

[Mysterio]

whoa whoa whoa. those screencaps say "HD" beside the NBC logo. Heroes is in high definition?

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I really wonder why The Haitian let claire keep her memories. Does he know something's coming or was he just being nice?

 

[3 Dev Adam]

whoa whoa whoa. those screencaps say "HD" beside the NBC logo. Heroes is in high definition?

Of course.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

BTW, Eden is dead as a doornail. It's been explained on the online comic.

"Don't erase everything... leave the guilt".

 

[AndThePickles]

I really wonder why The Haitian let claire keep her memories. Does he know something's coming or was he just being nice?

I don't think he was being "nice," I think he has a plan.

 

[Hiro]

The Haitian is working for Future Hiro.

Exploding Peter looks a lot like the picture of the lava guy Isaac painted for Benett.

 

[-Æ-]

Yeah I was aguring before that it wasnt her yet I seen the pics with Sylar on the floor, I dont think he is dead, yet I think him and Peter go into a coma at the same time though.

Also yes Eden did kill herself like I frist said before seeing the pics of Sylar laying on the floor. If you look at the expresion on Sylar face right before she kills herself is priceless, hes like "WTF dont kill yourself, I need to take your ability first." lol

 

[3 Dev Adam]

Skylar is alive. He was knocked down by... uh, tranquilizer dart things.

 

[Mysterio]

Of course.

is there a specific NBC HD channel or is it just the regular NBC feed? because i don't recall the HDTV light turning on on my DVR.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

I don't know, I live in Greece. I get all those episodes from torrent sites.

 

[Mysterio]

Yeah I was aguring before that it wasnt her yet I seen the pics with Sylar on the floor, I dont think he is dead, yet I think him and Peter go into a coma at the same time though.

wow. i like that.

 

[Kool-Aid]

I really wonder why The Haitian let claire keep her memories. Does he know something's coming or was he just being nice?

Knows something.

 

[Captn Eclipse]

Well if you journey to NBC'S Graphic Novel page on the Official Heroes Site you'll learn why Peter lost conciousness on the steps and it's because, Sylar got Tranq'd with enough darts to take down a Elephant... which in Peter's case put him into a coma since he's still linked with him ^ ^;

 

[3 Dev Adam]

And I think he was dressed like Skylar during the dream sequence... and Flying Petrelli did nothing cause he didn't recognized his own brother, cause it wasn't Mime Petrelly, but the Clockmaker he was seeing...

...but then again, I could be so ****ing wrong that I would be a shame.

 

[Angry Sentinel]

I think it's pretty evident that everyone was running away from him in his 'vision' because he was seeing the events through someone else's mind. The question is, who is this person. Sylar? radioactive guy? unknown hero?


Aaah, I just read back a few pages and saw that some of you have the same protests as myself.

Also just saw this tid bit back there and I have been wondering the same thing...
DID WE REALLY SAVE THE CHEERLEADER????

 

[Darren Daring]

I liked it better when Isaac was the only one who could predict things about the future. Peter's preontition and possible new ability makes Isaac seem less important. I mean, we know Sylar kills Isaac and absorbs his power eventually so maybe they're prepping somebody to take his role.

You do realize that they're able to change the future, right?

 

[GL1]

Wow... super episode, a GREAT fall finale...

1) It was pretty obvious Eden killed herself so Sylar couldn't have her powers.

2) Mr. Linderman being the higherup for HRG would make sense, but they'd have to reveal it just right for it not to seem 'convenient.'

3) I enjoy the Nikki storyline for what it is, and I know it's obviously going to tie into the main story in a big way... I have no problem waiting around for it to link up. Especially since Nikki just got herself arrested, and the police stations are great places to meet superpowered people.

4) Matt Parkman does rock. Audrey's stray thought was very very funny. "You can't do that." With the loss of Zack, Audrey makes for a suitable friend couple. The interrogation scene was very well coordinated, my favorite was the feedback to start it off with.

5) Peter's vision is connected to both his previous vision (connecting his Brother to Sylar) and his sickness. I don't think there's enough info to be sure what happend, but the idea of Peter using Sylar's power, or multiple Powers in tandem seems much more likely than Peter developing some magical new ability. Peter is figuring out how everything works.

6) I just realized how powerful Isaac is. Whatever he paints comes to pass. In his PAINT-mode, is it possible that he CONTROLS the future, instead of just recording it?

7) If they have an actual dinosaur fight (obligatory for superheroes... you're not a real super until you've fought a T-Rex.)

8) The tagline was "A Hero will die" for this episode. While the show is entitled Heroes and it's about special people, these special people, with the exception of Peter, Hiro and possible Claire, are not all heroes. Eden didn't become a hero until she killed herself to save the people Sylar would have killed with her power. Truly an awesome sendoff for a minor character.

9) Ando is a genious. He's the first person to conceive of the tagline as something other than the if-then statement that Future Hiro implied it to be. I still stand by the idea that saving the world is not the same as saving New York City.

10) Again the Nathan-to-Sylar scene and Peter's sickness play into what exactly that cliffhanger vision was. And it's obvious he wasn't being Sylar based on Nathan and Claire's treatment of him. He wasn't being Ted either, that's why he came to the very obvious conclusion that it was him that blows up NYC. But where's Ted? Y'know... the one that can make him go nuclear!

11) I don't think we know a hero powerful enough to evacuate NYC in an instant, as was obviously done.

12) Isaac doesn't have to die. The futures that Hiro sees can be changed, it's the futures that Isaac paints that cannot be changed. Hiro simply travels through time, Isaac possibly controls the future by painting it. He's got the power to control destiny. Scary.

 

[gambitfire]

I liked it better when Isaac was the only one who could predict things about the future. Peter's preontition and possible new ability makes Isaac seem less important. I mean, we know Sylar kills Isaac and absorbs his power eventually so maybe they're prepping somebody to take his role.

We do?

or are you just hoping that happens.

edit- i thought it would of been changed since Hiro is now with "Mr.iZZAACK!!!

lol i'm sorry i just love the way Hiro says it.

 

[Darren Daring]

But Isaac painted Claire staring at Sylar while she was on the steps. Just Claire, alone.

When the scene came to pass, Peter was with her It was changed.

 

[Armand Z Trip]

Great episode. The whole erasing of her brothers' and Zacks' minds and how it affected Claire were really well done, very Twilight Zone. It was cool to hear the Haitian speak. I wonder if Claire will be able to fool HRG. I liked Matt just getting one word - Sylar. The dream sequence was very well done and Sylar grabbing persuasion girl was awesome.

 

[Mixairian]

6) I just realized how powerful Isaac is. Whatever he paints comes to pass. In his PAINT-mode, is it possible that he CONTROLS the future, instead of just recording it?

Congratulations. You have touched upon the ultimate argument over prescience. That being that once the future itself is viewed, you are trapped into that flow of events.

Though I doubt the show will step into something that deeply philosophical.

7) If they have an actual dinosaur fight (obligatory for superheroes... you're not a real super until you've fought a T-Rex.)

Godzilla == George Takai == Guy who is playing Hiro's father on the show.

I still think it's a metaphor of sorts.

9) Ando is a genious. He's the first person to conceive of the tagline as something other than the if-then statement that Future Hiro implied it to be. I still stand by the idea that saving the world is not the same as saving New York City.

Hiro and Ando are the ultimate dynamic duo. I think it has something to do with being Japanese.

10) Again the Nathan-to-Sylar scene and Peter's sickness play into what exactly that cliffhanger vision was. And it's obvious he wasn't being Sylar based on Nathan and Claire's treatment of him. He wasn't being Ted either, that's why he came to the very obvious conclusion that it was him that blows up NYC. But where's Ted? Y'know... the one that can make him go nuclear!

Spoiler

Isn't Dr. Who (the actor who plays him) supposed to be showing up to teach Peter to control his ****?

11) I don't think we know a hero powerful enough to evacuate NYC in an instant, as was obviously done.

1. They were all evacuated in advance.
2. Only the key people of importance were shown in the vision.
3. Anyone else notice Matt is back in his beat patrol uniform? Bummer ain't it.

12) Isaac doesn't have to die. The futures that Hiro sees can be changed, it's the futures that Isaac paints that cannot be changed. Hiro simply travels through time, Isaac possibly controls the future by painting it. He's got the power to control destiny. Scary.

Isaac as we've seen from the second vision doesn't die. The course of events have already been changed. You saw Isaac pull his ex-girlfriend away from Peter going nuclear. In the original vision, Isaac was long dead before nuclear occurs. This hints to the Sylar issue is long dealt with by the time they get to Nuclear New York. Or perhaps just finished.

But Isaac painted Claire staring at Sylar while she was on the steps. Just Claire, alone.

When the scene came to pass, Peter was with her It was changed.

Actually when she turned around like the painting, that shadow was Peter's.