Escape from New York (Remake)

If you "HAD" to recast Plisskin...do you like the choice of Gerard Butler???

  • Yes I like him...not sure if he's my top choice but...I like it! :)

  • No he's not right for the role at all. :(

  • Not bad but...I'm not sure yet...need to give it more time.

  • Yes I like him...not sure if he's my top choice but...I like it! :)

  • No he's not right for the role at all. :(

  • Not bad but...I'm not sure yet...need to give it more time.


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There's room for remakes and originals and I appreciate the time and effort put into most of the remakes mentioned above in my list. Some are good and some are bad. There's plenty of original films out there each year and tons of Indie films that you've probably never seen. I suggest you rent those or go watch those and not worry about films you don't want to see. Remakes will come every year like it or not. If enough people felt like you they wouldn't make money or win Academy Awards and they'd stop making them.

Indie film are good? Do you mean Bollywood? I Never saw one and I m fed up of Hollywood movie to much crap lately. If you have any suggestion about Indie movie I ll be glad to ear about it.
 
Indie film are good? Do you mean Bollywood? I Never saw one and I m fed up of Hollywood movie to much crap lately. If you have any suggestion about Indie movie I ll be glad to ear about it.

Indie as in independent not India
 
I know but you said studios wouldnt move forward without the original creators and i gave two examples of when they did



Debatable but thats neither here nor there



Big budgets dont make a good movie. That was the biggest problem with movies lately. They would just throw money at a movie and hoped that would make it better, when it doesnt. Happened with The Island and happened with Superman Returns. FX dont make the movie either.



Carpenters entire career has been ups and downs but his ups completely outweigh the downs (Escape of NY is one of the ups)


Bottom line: There's no justification to remaking a movie that was GOOD the first time around.

I never said studios wouldn't move forward without original creators. You're like talking to a brick wall. There's plenty of justification of remaking a movie that was good the first time around.

1) To make it better.
2) To update it for a new generation.
3) To update it and prep it for an ongoing franchise that was not taken advantage of the first time.
4) To take advantage of new film and fx technology to enhance a directors vision or the story in a way that it could not be done years ago.
5) To give a story another chance to reach a wider audience for all the reaons above because the 1st time around it didn't have mass appeal.
6) Because there's an audience for it and why not honor a great story for the reasons above instead of cheaply copying it.
 
LFAMO oh ok now I get it... Damn I was like bollywood is the new thing in town ??? :woot:
 
I never said studios wouldn't move forward without original creators.

sorry i got it backwards

Many of these creators wouldn't have their names without the big studios risking their money on their ideas. It's a partnership. Either way it's a business the rights are owned and studios aren't headed by bankrupt idiots who only think like preservative fanboys.

EDIT- never mind im getting ahead of myself and leading this thread off topic
 
LOL So I guess my recommendation of "Talkes of Mukhtar the Hungry Camel" is no longer of your interest. Whatever. :cwink:


I m so desperate I might try it if you say its worth it. I did a couple of indie and also french movie(I speak French). Now I m really out of ideas.
 
1) To make it better.
No need, its already good

2) To update it for a new generation.
Whats wrong with keeping it classic. The age of a movie has little to do with how good it is.

3) To update it and prep it for an ongoing franchise that was not taken advantage of the first time.
Why is there such an obsession for sequels. I love the character too, but any remake or sequel (at this point) will never compare to the charm of the first. Lost cause!

Earlier you said you wanted more Plisken. Thats more of a selfish fanboy thought process than mine.

4) To take advantage of new film and fx technology to enhance a directors vision or the story in a way that it could not be done years ago.
Visual /x dont make the movie. Its a b-movie cult sensation. That fact is part of why its so good.

5) To give a story another chance to reach a wider audience for all the reaons above because the 1st time around it didn't have mass appeal.
Market a big DVD release if you want to get the word out. Do an AMC marathon

6) Because there's an audience for it and why not honor a great story for the reasons above instead of cheaply copying it.

But what you are doing is copying it since its already been made. If people dont want to see it, then they're missing out. The fact that people are doing this when they could be doing something that could be equally good or even better without doing a remake (biggest movie cop out ever) and actually making something thats dare i say original or at least they're own.


It was GOOD the first time. it doesnt NEED to be remade
 
Rumor......
From /Film:
Rumor: Josh Brolin to Play Snake Plissken in Escape From New York Remake
Posted on Thursday, June 19th, 2008 at 10:18 pm by: Hunter Stephenson

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The curse of One-Eyed Willie…

This rumor is a wild red hair that sprouted from the pale leg of Spielberg News, but we’ll entertain it for now because it’s late at night, this remake is happening, and the casting would be pritty, pritty good. In a role that would nicely connect the eye-patched dots to his salad days on The Goonies, actor Josh Brolin is rumored to be the top contender to play dystopian, one-eyed rogue, Snake Plissken, in the planned remake of John Carpenter’s Escape From New York. Throughout the end of last year, Gerard Butler (300, The Game) was attached to Plissken, as were directors Brett Ratner (we coined it Escape From Brett Ratner) and Len Wisemen (Live Free or Die Censored), both of whom are no longer in the equation (thanks). This is how the site’s scoop translates from French to English…

“It is our scoop of the week. A source close to the production (if so) has assured us that it is now Josh Brolin to be in the running to take over the role of Snake Plissken in the remake currently in draft New York 1997.”

There are a lot of top actors taking on genre fare these days, but we’ve always been keen on Brolin for hypothetical franchise roles like Metal Gear Solid’s Solid Snake. Whereas the success of Butler’s casting as Plissken would be fully realized only by a really cool director, Brolin’s involvement, if it pans out, would give the remake unforseen cache. Though New Line is dismantled, the remake is purportedly going ahead, so we’ll update accordingly. Brolin will next be seen on screen this Fall as Dubbya (he botched a lay-up) in Oliver Stone’s W.
 
Would be cool and would make Kurt Russell a bit more happy that an American's playing him.
 
Brolin wouldn't be bad, but I was fond of Butler as Snake a little more.
 
Brlin is better suited for the role...I kinmd of like the idea of Brolin for Solid Snake in a MGS movie now that they mention it.
 
Yep! Brolin is a good choice. No offense Buttler but this movie is not for U .
 
I think Brolin or Butler would be good choices. I think Brolin would be a slightly better fit though. I want Brolin to be Oliver Oueen/Green Arrow in the SuperMax film!
 
How about a Metal Gear Solid movie starring Brolin as Solid Snake instead of another damn remake? Seriously, Hollywood, put some cash into that project. This will make "meh" money compared to another "remake/ re visioning of known property" summer film.
 
Nobody can copy what Kurt did for the role but Butler could give us an all new take on the character. Let's face it Kurt is too old and the story is awesome. No doubt it could be really wild with a big enough budget and updated a bit from the late 70's early 80's mindset of the first script. Don't think of it as Butler being better than Russell but just...different.

I think AD said it best. Sometimes with a re-make, you dont have to try & out do the original, just go into it saying, this idea was a good one, we're not trying to say we can do it better, just like to try something different since we feel the idea is one of our faves.
 
So, whats the status of this remake,have'nt heard anything about it in a long time..
 
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/37641
Remember That ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK Remake?? The Doctor Wants To Tell You About Jonathan Mostow's Rewrite...Merrick here...


In June of Last year, I reviewed a draft of New Line's proposed remake of ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK. That review can be found HERE.

Despite being a staunch opponent of remakes (except in the rarest of circumstances), I was extremely impressed by the ballsiness author Ken Nolan (BLACK HAWK DOWN) brought to his screenplay. It was a work by someone who clearly respected, loved, and (above all) understood the universe John Carpenter & Co. first introduced us to back in 1981. Nolan not only paid tribute to Carpenter and EFNY's numerous conceits, he even turned up the gain on them a bit. Quite surprising, and... considering this project that doesn't need to happen at all...this was most refreshing.

Seems a few changes have been made to the remake's script since then - none of them for the better, from what I hear. Jonathan Mostow (writer/director of U-571, director of TERMINATOR 3: RISE OF THE MACHINES) has been brought in to fix what wasn't broken. "The Doctor" was kind enough to open communications with me about Mostow's draft, and wanted to share details and thoughts with AICN readers.

In the off chance this draft ever gets filmed, you should know that...


THERE BE SPOILERS HERE!!!



Here's The Doctor to tell you about Mostow's take on ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK.

One of the great hopes at New Line Cinema was the remake of Escape From New York.

A potential franchise based on a beloved piece of source material, an attached lead with his star on the rise and a solid first draft script. Merrick wrote a passionate defense of the first draft, and I agree with pretty much all of his sentiments, though I hated the idea of giving Snake a laborious backstory that served to demystify him. There’s this strange fascination in Hollywood with origin stories, a sad biproduct of the Star Wars prequels and the glut of comic book movies.

I am lucky enough to possess both the “original” (if you can even call it that) Ken Nolan draft and the revision, credited to Jonathan Mostow and Sam Montgomery. The revision is dated November 3rd, 2007. This must have been the last pre-Strike draft, and with the demise of the old New Line Cinema, it’s anyone’s guess what the status of the project is.

The Nolan draft was brutal, epic in scale and retained all of the dystopian despair of John Carpenter’s classic, while updating the details in a respectful fashion. It wasn’t always the most elegant social commentary, but neither was the original. It was a grand middle finger to the establishment, with no need to be subtle. If you’d like to know more about the first draft, you can find Merrick’s review HERE).

Besides the script, I was also encouraged by the involvement of Gerard Butler, and when he left, I was sure it had to do with a serious creative disagreement. The old New Line was a decaying dinosaur of a studio, cranking out focus grouped ******** on a regular basis. This latest version of Escape from New York would have been no different.

The thing that I loved about the Nolan draft is that it was not interested in bald-faced copying, but retained a certain spirit of “**** the world” cynicism that the original was seeped in. That is, for all intents and purposes long gone with the Mostow draft. The most controversial aspect of this script jumps out at you early: The President is now a woman…and she’s someone we’re supposed to root for. I don’t even know if I mind the gender change that much. I don’t give a damn that Starbuck is a woman on Battlestar Galactica. You could make the Duke “The Duchess” and cast Fergie for all I care. Just get the essence of the character right. At no point do I feel Mostow and Montgomery get the original at all. By page 70, the President is spouting on about restoring civil liberties and freedom of the press, the evils of society. It turns into “Mrs. Smith Goes to Washington” and I begin to gag.

Here’s a snippet of dialogue:

SNAKE
Are you gonna shut up one of these days?

PRESIDENT
No, I’m not. I’m going to lay it on the line.
We have wars being fought, not just overseas, but
here on our own soil. And all we know to do about
any of it is to impose curfews and throw tear gas
at the problem.

It’s a sweet sentiment, but are characters in the EFNY universe, especially governmental authorities, supposed to be so blindly idealistic? Wasn’t the point of the original that Snake was RIGHT to not trust anyone? Now, his unwillingness to hear out this saintly female president just comes off as smug and unlikable. It gets to the point where Snake and the President have a physical altercation and I’m rooting for HER not him. The President is on her way to make a speech where she will announce an end to Martial Law. Of course, the big, bad military won’t let this idealist make this necessary change in policy. It is worth pointing out that the only female in this whole script is the only sane person. Feminists and Clinton supporets may read into that in any way that choose. There’s certainly a hanging subtext there.

The Nolan draft had a character named “Squirrel” that replaced Ernest Borg nine’s “Cabbie” from the original. Squirrel is gone, and all aspects of him and Cabbie have been merged into Brain. No longer is Brain a genius. He’s just a little weasel.

Both drafts hinge on Snake and the President navigating an area called “The Forbidden Zone,” which is an area of the city lined with automatic machine guns and landmines. In the Nolan draft, Brain comes up with a plan to navigate the Zone and escape Manhattan. Instead of that, the Mostow draft has Brain FIND the map through the Zone on a dead guy. Yet again, you must wonder why even remake a film if you aren’t going to be adhere to the tenants of the movie you are remaking. Even if this wasn’t a remake, I would still be struck by the fact that Brain is a useless character. He isn’t comic relief, he doesn’t do anything particularly crucial to the plot. He is a contrivance designed to give Snake a map of the Zone to get him and the President out of Manhattan, and to drive him to The Duke.

This could be forgiven, to a certain extent if there was much in terms of clever action. A thrilling, violent motorcycle chase from the Nolan draft is removed from the middle of the script, replaced with a much shorter chase scene that culminates in Snake, home free and on his way to his extraction point, turning around and kidnapping the President. Snake actually has a motivation in this script besides pure survival. If you are not interested in spoilers for a potentially horrible movie, look away now.

You get the point, this script is pretty freaking lame:

Snake kidnaps the President, in the process wasting time getting out of Manhattan Supermax and getting the explosive charge out of his neck because of a man named Harvey Garland. The script tells us that Harvey enjoys video games, bestiality porn and Academy DVD screeners. Snake is going to put the President up for ransom. He will give The Duke the President if The Duke finds this Harvey Garland for Snake. Why does Snake want Harvey Garland so badly? Harvey Garland stole Snake’s PEN. It’s a Mont Blanc, so it’s a nice pen at least.

We are supposed to find this hilarious, I‘m sure. I laughed. I laughed that this script had turned Snake Plissken into a petty, vindictive person. The one thing I did appreciate about this revision is that it removed the flashbacks that set up Snake’s unnecessary backstory and handicapped the forward momentum of the script, but now he’s kidnapping world leaders to beat up a guy that stole his pen. The grand payoff of this subplot is that Snake rips the guy’s eye out because it has a vital transmitter in it. It certainly sounds like a nice, gory moment that belongs in a film like this…inevitably to end up being cut and included on the super Unrated Special Edition with 15 minutes of extra blood and one use of the word “****” for good measure.

The “clever” moments don’t end there, to be sure. I assume everyone involved thought it cute to put The Duke’s hideout in Trump Tower and have him walking around in a robe monogrammed “DT,” but what’s the point? What purpose does it serve in the grand scheme of things? It never leads to a set-piece or action beat. As a matter of fact, I am fairly certain that set would only appear in one scene of the film. Even with that, it is pretty much the most interesting addition to this draft. Everything else is just done to make this potential film more palatable for audiences terrified at the notion that there is no hope for mankind, that our institutions of government are outmoded and our civilization needs to be “rebooted,” to borrow a Hollywood buzzword.

Not only does this have the stench of a watered-down version of EFNY, without the unflinching pessimism and graphic language of the original, it comes off as a cheaper version of the first draft. The finale of the Nolan draft deals with an interesting set-piece where the walls of Manhattan crack and flood the city. That’s long gone now, presumably because it would save the production a few million dollars. The new version is a bit closer to the original’s conclusion, but with a smaller body count.

I want to say briefly here that I am not automatically against remakes. The remake is not without merit. The example everyone gives for a “good” remake is Battelstar Galactica. While it’s cliché to say, it is very true that BSG actually had an artistic purpose for existing. Universal wanted to exploit a property, just like any studio in the remake game, but I strongly believe that the end product was a very heartfelt, real exercise. What this version of EFNY lacks is heart. A reason for existing.

Other than the “pen” plot point, there’s nothing truly egregious about this script. No Jar Jar moments or “Snake Jr.” to be played by Shia. There’s nothing here at all. It misses the spirit of the original, while simultaneously saying nothing new either. It just flops around on the deck like a fish. I say this to Warner Bros., if they are reading this. Do not make this script. Hire someone with some balls and some vision, if you MUST do this.

Based on this script, Jonathan Mostow is not that person. This script reads as if it were written by a man who just didn’t give a **** about EFNY (which, ironically, is a very “Snake” attitude). EFNY was an auteur film. If it must be redone, give it to an auteur or just don’t do it at all. There is no passion here, no vitality or humanity. Just another processed turd from the Hollywood factory.
 
This is sad to hear. Maybe they'll do another rewrite?
 
I'm expecting a damn good film from what I read from the script review. But if they can get the acting and direction right, it'll be a classic.

Speaking of Kurt Russell remakes, would anyone else like to see him return as Jack Burton from 'Big Trouble in Little China'? I know I would.
 
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=63189

New Escape From New York Moving Forward

Source:Vulture
February 10, 2010


Vulture has new details about New Line Cinema's upcoming reboot of Escape From New York, which the site says is moving forward thanks to a well-received rewrite by Allan Loeb.

"Loeb nailed the humor in Plissken without slipping into camp, and he changed Snake's rescue-mission target from a president to a female senator, thereby upping the banter quotient," they say, adding, "But just as big a factor was economic: They found a much cheaper way to turn Manhattan into a giant prison."

You can read more on what we can expect here.
 
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