Everyone here is PRO-Muslim and ANTI-Every other religion

[Spider-Bite]

I really don't intend this to be a slam on you at all, because I think it's great that you're trying to understand things outside your immediate surroundings, but I don't think you know nearly as much about the Middle East and Islam as you'd like to think you do. You have a lot of preconceived notions and ideas about them that just aren't very accurate. Again, this is not meant to be a slam, even though you might take it that way.

jag

no I don't feel slammed at all. I think our debate would be much more heated if I was debating some guy claiming we need to kill all muslims or something like that, because as I have said and believed for a while

the reason the middle east is the way it is is because they are victims of oppression and poverty. they also have weak governements. there are many americans who would kill em all if they had the chance, and they are no different from terrorists.

the differecnes in the people aren't so much the religion they chose as it is their surrounding community they had while growing up. A muslim who grew up in a free nation with a good education and without poverty is likely to be Liberal. I have met two people from the middle east. One was an atheist and the other was a hindu. They both told me what things were like where they came from. They by no means speak for the entire middle east. But one thing is for sure. There are many problems over there.

 

[raybia]

the majority of Afghanistan citizens supported it.

So? What is your point? Afghanis don't represent all Muslims and are only a very small fraction. Plus its not about what Afghanis or Muslims support, its about what God commands.

Muslims worldwide don't turn to any particular Islamic country or particular religious leader for guidance, leadership, and instruction, so what Afghanistan does is not a reflection of the Qur'an, its a reflect of that particular society. A society that was constructed by the U.S. no less.

Islam doesn't have a preisthood, we are instucted by God to follow what he commands and Muslims are obligated to willfully follow those commandments.

Do you realize that many people in Religion are not only inadequately educated about the tenets of their religion and scripture but are also inadequately educated?

Do you realize that centuries of culturalism and socialization shape the way people profess their religious beliefs? That is why a Christian in the U.S. and one in South Korea can have radical differences to the extend that they are fellow Christians in name only.

Do you also realize that hypocrisy exists in all Religions? Do you also realize that hypocrisy also extends outside of religion as well?

Also most Afghanis are Economically and socially deprived and uneducated. Survival is more important for them at this point than having the correct understanding of the Quran.


According...to the QURAN anybody who believes in false Gods or prophets or blasphemes shall be put to death.

PROVE IT RIGHT NOW! Don't make this claim and not back it up.




My whole point is that today christains, not christianity, are socially more advanced and more politically correct and Liberal than most muslims, not Islam.

I understand your point, I just don't think you have done an adequate job proving it. Please backup your claim. Another sweeping indictment of Muslims!

As you attempt to do this please remember that Muslims are not restricted to the Middle East but we are on every country on Earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

 

[jaguarr]

no I don't feel slammed at all. I think our debate would be much more heated if I was debating some guy claiming we need to kill all muslims or something like that, because as I have said and believed for a while

the reason the middle east is the way it is is because they are victims of oppression and poverty. they also have weak governements. there are many americans who would kill em all if they had the chance, and they are no different from terrorists.

the differecnes in the people aren't so much the religion they chose as it is their surrounding community they had while growing up. A muslim who grew up in a free nation with a good education and without poverty is likely to be Liberal. I have met two people from the middle east. One was an atheist and the other was a hindu. They both told me what things were like where they came from. They by no means speak for the entire middle east. But one thing is for sure. There are many problems over there.

All I'm suggesting is that you might consider learning more about the perspectives of the people that live over there or know a great deal more about the nuances of the variances in cultures in the Middle East before forumulating a concrete opinion. The fact is that many of us in the U.S. have very limited experience when it comes to other cultures and religions. In fact, many of us have limited experience when it comes to other regions within our own country. We can't possibly have a complete picture of things over there. The same would hold true for other country's views of the U.S.

jag

 

[The Overlord]

no I don't feel slammed at all. I think our debate would be much more heated if I was debating some guy claiming we need to kill all muslims or something like that, because as I have said and believed for a while

the reason the middle east is the way it is is because they are victims of oppression and poverty. they also have weak governements. there are many americans who would kill em all if they had the chance, and they are no different from terrorists.

the differecnes in the people aren't so much the religion they chose as it is their surrounding community they had while growing up. A muslim who grew up in a free nation with a good education and without poverty is likely to be Liberal. I have met two people from the middle east. One was an atheist and the other was a hindu. They both told me what things were like where they came from. They by no means speak for the entire middle east. But one thing is for sure. There are many problems over there.

There is poverty and opression in Latin America and they haven't become reactionaries over there.

 

[raybia]

All I'm suggesting is that you might consider learning more about the perspectives of the people that live over there or know a great deal more about the nuances of the variances in cultures in the Middle East before forumulating a concrete opinion. The fact is that many of us in the U.S. have very limited experience when it comes to other cultures and religions. In fact, many of us have limited experience when it comes to other regions within our own country. We can't possibly have a complete picture of things over there. The same would hold true for other country's views of the U.S.

jag

Agreed!

 

[raybia]

I really don't intend this to be a slam on you at all, because I think it's great that you're trying to understand things outside your immediate surroundings, but I don't think you know nearly as much about the Middle East and Islam as you'd like to think you do. You have a lot of preconceived notions and ideas about them that just aren't very accurate. Again, this is not meant to be a slam, even though you might take it that way.

jag

Good comments!

 

[jaguarr]

Agreed!

*checks calendar* Ahhh, I see it's your day to agree with me!

jag

 

[raybia]

Really? I don't see that at all. I see just as many holier-than-thou A-Holes on the Christian side as I do on the Islamic side running their mouths off and saying things that go against the very grain of what they're supposed to believe in. Extremists on both sides have made things much worse than they really should be and neither has any more space to point fingers than the other. They both share responsibility there. The key word in all of that is "extremists", though, who don't really represent the true core of those religions. I can't help but think you may be basing much of your perspective off of what you might know about Islamic extremists, rather than your average, everyday Muslim.

jag

Excellent! You are on a roll! I agree with you.










(Today that is )

 

[Assassin]

the majority of Afghanistan citizens supported it.

According to the Old Testament and the QURAN anybody who believes in false Gods or prophets or blasphemes shall be put to death. In Iraq the people want a constitution that says no law shall contradict Islamic law.

Jesus said accept and tolerate diverse cultures and lifestyles. But our religous right wing church goers still support a constitutional ammendmant to ban gay marraige. Many very rescently in American's history suppported throwing gays in prison. Texas was doing this as rescent as two years ago.
In the middle east? Most gays would be executed.

I did not say Christianity is a better religion than Islam. The religions are what the followers make it, thus the whole problem with religion. people twist and turn it to justify whatever they want to do. which is why almost every religion on earth only hurts our progress.

My whole point is that today christains, not christianity, are socially more advanced and more politically correct and Liberal than most muslims, not Islam.

I kinda Agree, but being born in America and having both parents from Iraq, you hear both sides of the story, I'm Chaldean, also known as Neo-babylonian, which is a small Tribe of ppl who are Catholic in Iraq. My parents were both born in Baghdad since their fathers were businessmen, and not in a small village with other chaldeans. They grew up with Jews, and muslums living next door, and they all got along. My dad was born on Dec 23, the original belif date of Christ, which in tradition he would have gotten a holy name (or Biblical) but his parents didnt give him one because they feared that he would be picked on in school. he says yes, the muslum kids would pic on the non muslum but thats only school bullys and such, but the everyday lives it was diffrent. My mom was there longer because my dad came here when he was 25 and he's 10 years older than my mom (they met and got married here) she remembers when all the jews were given a few days an were kicked out of their homes and out of the country when the Baath party was growing, (saddam was only vice president at the time) but she remembers that every one in the neighborhood was sad to see them leave, even other muslums, because they were some of the friendlyest ppl.

but every things changed since the 70's and **** happens.

also, for every one who thinks that Iraqis are killing themselfs, you;re wrong, the suicide bombers are not from iraq, they came in from syria and Iran when saddam was removed.

 

[InsaneMembrane]

I would've thought it'd be about 60-40 Catholic at least.

umm 1.1 billion catholics, 2.2 billion christians, so no.

 

[Kritish]

First of all I agree with you to certain point. Im a or was a muslim who critsize muslims and islam today, i dont post and wate my time as much as other people but i do say what true about middle east right now.

The only reason people use christianity or Jewdisim is because they're using one religion to make a point. Like someone said they are all the same/have the same roots, so if someone is bashing christianity they are in away bashing the other religions too.

I have never seen anit hindu buddist post. Those religions are probably only peaceful ones as far as i know.

Hindu's are hardly peaceful, have you heard of the untouchable clan that is raped, tortured and etc. If not look it up on wikipedia.

As for me, I hate all religious, I give equal opportunity to everyone.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I am really shocked at the level of stupidity being presented here. yeah all muslims are totally liberal and accepting of diverse cultures and lifestyles. yup. they could care less if a women learns to read, or if a person is gay, or an atheist or anything non muslim.

they would never mix politics with religion. never. they practically don't even believe in God.

How they got the way they are does not chang ethe fact that right now TODAY they are ultra conservative. you can pretend not to belive this if you want to, but that's what your doing. pretending. I'm not saying it has always been this way, and I'm not saying it always will. I'm saying that's how it is right now.

 

[jaguarr]

How they got the way they are does not chang ethe fact that right now TODAY they are ultra conservative. you can pretend not to belive this if you want to, but that's what your doing. pretending. I'm not saying it has always been this way, and I'm not saying it always will. I'm saying that's how it is right now.

And we've been saying that that is a sweeping generalization that doesn't apply to ALL Muslims, man. They're just as diverse as we are here in the U.S. The Muslims who have posted in this thread have attested to that.

jag

 

[Spider-Bite]

And we've been saying that that is a sweeping generalization that doesn't apply to ALL Muslims, man. They're just as diverse as we are here in the U.S. The Muslims who have posted in this thread have attested to that.

jag

I said the same thing. I said on overall average christains are not as conservative as muslims. I didn't say all Muslims nor all Christains.

 

[The Overlord]

And we've been saying that that is a sweeping generalization that doesn't apply to ALL Muslims, man. They're just as diverse as we are here in the U.S. The Muslims who have posted in this thread have attested to that.

jag

Perhaps, but it would be hard argue that an ultra conservative society doesn't exist in the ME.

 

[jaguarr]

Perhaps, but it would be hard argue that an ultra conservative society doesn't exist in the ME.

Oh, it does exist. I'm not saying that it doesn't at all. But the U.S. is being run by ultra-conservatives, too, for that matter. I'm just saying there's more to it than just the ultra-conservatives in ME society.

jag

 

[raybia]

And we've been saying that that is a sweeping generalization that doesn't apply to ALL Muslims, man. They're just as diverse as we are here in the U.S. The Muslims who have posted in this thread have attested to that.

jag

Yup!


(Man, your game is really on today! )

 

[Spider-Bite]

Oh, it does exist. I'm not saying that it doesn't at all. But the U.S. is being run by ultra-conservatives, too, for that matter. I'm just saying there's more to it than just the ultra-conservatives in ME society.

jag

The US is one of the most conservative countries in the world. Our population is 300 million. There are two billion christains in the world, and most non US christains think the United States is too consrvative and too war like and too religous.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

I said the same thing. I said on overall average christains are not as conservative as muslims. I didn't say all Muslims nor all Christains.

Your statements are pretty genreal though. And even if they were true if you met muslims you would probably have a different perspective

 

[jaguarr]

The US is one of the most conservative countries in the world. Our population is 300 million. There are two billion christains in the world, and most non US christains think the United States is too consrvative and too war like and too religous.

I tend to agree with those that think the U.S. is too conservative, war-like and overly religious, to be honest with you. Our government and society have fixated on the wrong things for awhile, now.

jag

 

[Spider-Bite]

Your statements are pretty genreal though. And even if they were true if you met muslims you would probably have a different perspective

If I met one, I would not just assume that he or she hates all non Muslims and things like that.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I tend to agree with those that think the U.S. is too conservative, war-like and overly religious, to be honest with you. Our government and society have fixated on the wrong things for awhile, now.

jag

yes our country has. we got much bigger problems than the ones we have been worrying about.

 

[The Overlord]

Oh, it does exist. I'm not saying that it doesn't at all. But the U.S. is being run by ultra-conservatives, too, for that matter. I'm just saying there's more to it than just the ultra-conservatives in ME society.

jag

The US is of the most conservative of Western nations, but terms of third world countries it might as well be Holland.

 

[Danger Mouse]

And we've been saying that that is a sweeping generalization that doesn't apply to ALL Muslims, man. They're just as diverse as we are here in the U.S. The Muslims who have posted in this thread have attested to that.

jag

I have?

 

[jaguarr]

I have?

Yes. You probably don't remember because you weren't here at the time.

jag