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Evolution is a lie

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VenomFang said:
The perfect design was without sickness. Adam and Eve would have lived forever if they had not sinned. They sinned, and death came into the world, along with sickness.

Did it ever occur to you, that God ordained doctor's to be able to cure people?
You know, sometimes the answer is so simple.

Yes, you can pray to God to fill your stomache with food, or you can eat the meal He has put right infront of you.

The things we seek God about are redemption from sin, and the salvation He offers us. We pray for guidance, for revelation, for truth.

As for doctor's healing abilities, yes indeed they are blessings from God, and are to be acknowledged as such. As Jesus said, we have no power on Earth other than what is given from above.

So is that why more and more people starve all over the world, and even in your home town, because God puts food in front of them? Is that why people have to struggle for basic nessesities? Because God gives them everything they need.

Sure he may do it when they die...prematurely, but in the mean time they get crapped on because of drought, warfare, pullution, floods, you name.

When was the last time you put this theroy to good use?
 
Goddessreicho said:
If God knows when you mean it, then why the ambivulant language in the Bible. If that is truely the word of God, why isn't it clear and easily understood. Why is it even in the religion itself such a debate. Why the breakoff from orthodox beliefs?

I know why the Protestant Reformation, and subsequent break-offs, happened? But according to the Word it shouldn't have.

Here's how this works. God told Adam not eat the forbidden fruit which was a sin, and Adam did anyways!

If Adam can botch such a simple commandment, why is it beyond reason to imagine people too can botch their chance at understanding God? I read The Bible, and while I don't claim to understand all of it, the message is very clear;

I am a sinner. God has no sin.

0 x any number = 0

So God is the only way to destroy sin, which Jesus did on the cross for dying for all sins, while having none. Just as by one man all have sinned, by one righteous man (Jesus) salvation and reconciliation to God is offered to all men.

Jesus died so we can live, and not face the consequence of eternal seperation from God (hell)

That's pretty easy to understand.
 
VenomFang said:
Here's how this works. God told Adam not eat the forbidden fruit which was a sin, and Adam did anyways!

so god didn't know that adam was going to do this?:huh:
 
Goddessreicho said:
So is that why more and more people starve all over the world, and even in your home town, because God puts food in front of them? Is that why people have to struggle for basic nessesities? Because God gives them everything they need.

Sure he may do it when they die...prematurely, but in the mean time they get crapped on because of drought, warfare, pullution, floods, you name.

When was the last time you put this theroy to good use?

Common atheist arguement: If God is all-powerful, and He is all-good, meaning He would remove evil to the extent of His power, then evil should not exist:

Straw-man argument. The Bible does not teach that God is good in the sense that He removes evil to the full extent of His ability (cf. Rom. 9:17). Without this definition of goodness, God’s goodness does not contradict God’s omnipotence and the existence of evil. God is good in the sense that He is the ultimate standard of goodness. Since there is no standard higher than God that could bring Him into judgment, if God allows evil to exist, it necessarily follows that God has a morally sufficient reason for allowing it to exist. Some atheists argue that, by any decent human standards, God should not allow as much suffering and evil into the world as He does; but this is just begging the question of atheism, that human standards are ultimate and can bring judgment against God.

While the Christian is said to have a problem with the existence of evil, the atheist has a problem with goodness. He has no basis for saying that evil exists, since he has no absolute standard of goodness to judge it by. Thus the atheist must rely on the God of Christianity to even make this objection.
 
Mr Sparkle said:
so god didn't know that adam was going to do this?:huh:

Of course God knew this. But remember what God wants: volentary love. He knew people would disobey, and let them. Then God gave us the law, so we can realize our sin, and repent and get back to God.

God wants to spend all eternity with us, that's the plan. And nothing you or anyone else does can thwart God's plan. However, you can eject yourself from the plan by not accepting Christ as your Lord, because there is no name under Heaven by which men are saved other than Jesus Christ, who died for our sins.

So if you want to die with your sins, you can, and you will go to hell (seperation from God eternally). Or you can get Jesus to pay for your sins, which He already did, and you can then go to Heaven.
 
Goddessreicho said:
If God knows when you mean it, then why the ambivulant language in the Bible. If that is truely the word of God, why isn't it clear and easily understood. Why is it even in the religion itself such a debate. Why the breakoff from orthodox beliefs?

I know why the Protestant Reformation, and subsequent break-offs, happened? But according to the Word it shouldn't have.


because people are stupid. I follow God, not a church, dont ask me ask venom he knows everythng:o
 
VenomFang said:
Of course God knew this. But remember what God wants: volentary love. He knew people would disobey, and let them. Then God gave us the law, so we can realize our sin, and repent and get back to God.

no, he KNEW that adam was going to disobey him
so he put everything in place so that adam would disobey him and then cut him down to size for disobeying. cuz god's weird like that.
 
vibeke_T said:
http://lib.ru/LEWISCL/mere_engl.txt


for everyone with question about christianity...i suggest you read the book available at the above link

G'night cou------vibeke!

Sorry I know I said good night. But I got caught up here again. Okay Im going to bed, everyone if you need answers just click on the link in my signature, it literally will answer every question you've asked thus far and more.
 
VenomFang said:
Here's how this works. God told Adam not eat the forbidden fruit which was a sin, and Adam did anyways!

If Adam can botch such a simple commandment, why is it beyond reason to imagine people too can botch their chance at understanding God? I read The Bible, and while I don't claim to understand all of it, the message is very clear;

I am a sinner. God has no sin.

0 x any number = 0

So God is the only way to destroy sin, which Jesus did on the cross for dying for all sins, while having none. Just as by one man all have sinned, by one righteous man (Jesus) salvation and reconciliation to God is offered to all men.

Jesus died so we can live, and not face the consequence of eternal seperation from God (hell)

That's pretty easy to understand.

and that, my friends is why Venom makes sense.

Mr. Jesus =:heart:
 
VenomFang said:
says the man with a superman avatar.
It's called fantasy, Check into it. The difference is I know Superman isn't real. It's a story made up by men, Just like many of the stories in the bible.

I know there is a higher power but I also know that the bible is nothing more than a bunch of half truths and fairy tales made up to scare the people into believing what the church wanted them to believe.
 
VenomFang said:
G'night cou------vibeke!

Sorry I know I said good night. But I got caught up here again. Okay Im going to bed, everyone if you need answers just click on the link in my signature, it literally will answer every question you've asked thus far and more.


night night!
 
Superman said:
It's called fantasy, Check into it. The difference is I know Superman isn't real. It's a story made up by men, Just like many of the stories in the bible.

I know there is a higher power but I also know that the bible is nothing more than a bunch of half truths and fairy tales made up to scare the people into believing what the church wanted them to believe.


they're made up?
 
VenomFang said:
Common atheist arguement: If God is all-powerful, and He is all-good, meaning He would remove evil to the extent of His power, then evil should not exist:

Straw-man argument. The Bible does not teach that God is good in the sense that He removes evil to the full extent of His ability (cf. Rom. 9:17). Without this definition of goodness, God’s goodness does not contradict God’s omnipotence and the existence of evil. God is good in the sense that He is the ultimate standard of goodness. Since there is no standard higher than God that could bring Him into judgment, if God allows evil to exist, it necessarily follows that God has a morally sufficient reason for allowing it to exist. Some atheists argue that, by any decent human standards, God should not allow as much suffering and evil into the world as He does; but this is just begging the question of atheism, that human standards are ultimate and can bring judgment against God.

While the Christian is said to have a problem with the existence of evil, the atheist has a problem with goodness. He has no basis for saying that evil exists, since he has no absolute standard of goodness to judge it by. Thus the atheist must rely on the God of Christianity to even make this objection.
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You and Vibian acussed me of not being able to read, when its obvious that both of you have not read my post. I never claimed to be Atheist. I'm not. It is possible to be Secular and Christian.

The argument that you are giving is typical close-minded Bible thumpy. If it's not logical then the Bible can explain. If it falls out of God's good graces, then it was those people's ignorance or greed. Instead of looking at the basis of the problem.

The Bible may not have the solution to every problem. A book that was written two thousand, or in your case 6 days ago, which was written by hundreds of different people gathered and collected by a group of men desperate to collect power 300 years after the last event in the Bible, may not have the answers to the problems that exsist right now, nor does it answer ever question that man has asked.
 
Goddessreicho said:
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You and Vibian acussed me of not being able to read, when its obvious that both of you have not read my post. I never claimed to be Atheist. I'm not. It is possible to be Secular and Christian.

The argument that you are giving is typical close-minded Bible thumpy. If it's not logical then the Bible can explain. If it falls out of God's good graces, then it was those people's ignorance or greed. Instead of looking at the basis of the problem.

The Bible may not have the solution to every problem. A book that was written two thousand, or in your case 6 days ago, which was written by hundreds of different people gathered and collected by a group of men desperate to collect power 300 years after the last event in the Bible, may not have the answers to the problems that exsist right now, nor does it answer ever question that man has asked.

what does that mean, becaus ei think thats what I am :huh:
 
Goddessreicho said:
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You and Vibian acussed me of not being able to read, when its obvious that both of you have not read my post. I never claimed to be Atheist. I'm not. It is possible to be Secular and Christian.

The argument that you are giving is typical close-minded Bible thumpy. If it's not logical then the Bible can explain. If it falls out of God's good graces, then it was those people's ignorance or greed. Instead of looking at the basis of the problem.

The Bible may not have the solution to every problem. A book that was written two thousand, or in your case 6 days ago, which was written by hundreds of different people gathered and collected by a group of men desperate to collect power 300 years after the last event in the Bible, may not have the answers to the problems that exsist right now, nor does it answer ever question that man has asked.

whos' vibian?
 
It is possible to be Secular and Christian
No, its not possible.
You're either hot or cold for the Lord not lukewarm...the Bible says this. Either you believe the words of the Bible and subsequently Jesus or you dont...not anything in between.
 
I'm a religious man myself, but not going to go down the road of flaming back and forth as some of you seem intent on picking apart and flaming religion rather than answering his actual topic which is against evolution which is what most of you should be trying to defend. Now that aside I do have four honest questions I've always wondered and since some of you are followers of evolution maybe you can respond.

1. (first deals with the big bang you guys have brought up) If you believe everything was formed in the big bang and that the bang was caused by two colliding gasses or whatever, where did those gases come from, and without celestial bodies to form any sort of pull or stellar winds how did these gases that came from wherever gain momentum enough to collide?

2. (This is true as well as I think it'd be stupid to make something up if I'm asking an honest question) A cowboy hat from roughly 60 to 90 (can't remember the exact date just read and saw pics on it) or so years ago was caught in a mudslide. After that small amount of time it became fosilized more or less. So if an item doesn't take millions of years to become fosilized, only to be covered in mud then why is every fosil stated as being millions of years old and nothing more recent than a few thousand it seems? Couple that with a test for carbon dating two scientists did for fun of testing a 5 min old game of tic tac toe and it saying it was 50 or so years old, and how do we not know carbon dating isn't way off?

3. If everything evolved from that one species that first crawled out of the primordial ooze or whatever, a. how did that one species branch off into millions of others once on land, and b. why do we only find point a's and b's in fosil records? What I mean by that last part is that so many species are supposed to have come from an earlier one, if evolution takes millions of years why do we only have an elephant and the aquatic specimin it supposedly came from? Why don't we find that aquatic animal with two fully formed legs, then with 4 legs as it went on land, then with a trunk and so on. I just find it funny that for a process taking millions upon millions of years we aren't finding fosils left and right of all those inbetween phases.

4. This ones simple and straight forward. Now while some of those ape skulls supposedly being missing links have already been proven false (even tho the human skull with a pig tooth glued in made it into school books after it was proven a hoax :whatever:) and some skulls mere fragments or made up of multiple bone sets discovered miles apart from eachother, how can it be proven their simply not skeleton deformities? Take ppl like Andre the giant, he had that giants disease, his skull was mishapen as was his skeletal structure, his head was larger and even thru his skin his forhead seemed more flat, and it was a disease. Or the elephant man, or the man other diseases we know of that shape skeletal structures in weird ways. Is there anyway to prove that it wasn't simply a human skeletal disease mishaping it?

Honestly I almost didn't ask this because in all honesty I find the concept laughable, fact is everytime they find a new 'missing link' it screws their line up severely and they have to rethink the entire thing. If it's so wobbly they can't get more than 3 steps in everytime they try to go thru it before a problem arrises...eh sry don't want to get off topic. Anyway my questions were on topic as this is about if evolution is a lie, and not how many ways can Hypesters hate on religion.


BTW on a side note Adam and Eve were NOT brother and sister. God created Eve as a companion to Adam, just because she came from Adam's rib doesn't mean they shared any common genetic structure. Second who Cain went to the land of nod to find a wife he didn't marry his own sister as he was banished from them.
 
Assassin said:
what does that mean, becaus ei think thats what I am :huh:

Secularism in a nutshell is that Faith in any of its form is taken with a grain of salt. Doctrines aren't taken literally, and are more like guidelines. The stories within are moral brackets. Seculars genrally refuse to take things at face vaule, and most importantly they ask questions, and believe in logic. Which is why faith doctrines are not literal in the eyes of secularist.

I know I can't spell, it's been no sleep for the Goddess tonight. Deal :dew:

Edit: Seculars also believe that it is possible to have a BALANCE of faith and science/logic.
 
Think of Heaven like a Club, the only way in is to get on the VIP List, Mr. Jesus is the bouncer.
 
Abaddon said:
God created everything. Evil exists. God created evil. Duh!:huh:

Not sure how you got that lol, and not sure what that has to do with the topic.

I'll put it like this, God is good itself as he created the very definitions of right and wrong. He gave free will and said it was good as I doubt mind controlled pupets worshiping him would serve no purpose as they didn't chose it. Once given free will many twisted it, Evil came from that twisting. Lucifer was God's right hand angel, and he chose of his own free will to try and get more power, he was punished. Adam and Eve had free will but were told not to eat of the fruit, they did and they were punished.

Free will = Good. Man abusing free will to kill another man because they can = bad and man's own fault. If you choose to harm another its on you and you alone, your aren't being made to do that, you're choosing it with free will.
 
Superman said:
It's called fantasy, Check into it. The difference is I know Superman isn't real. It's a story made up by men, Just like many of the stories in the bible.

I know there is a higher power but I also know that the bible is nothing more than a bunch of half truths and fairy tales made up to scare the people into believing what the church wanted them to believe.

Sry you feel that way, thing is Christians like myself believe the Holy Spirit guided them to write it. Call it half truths and lies or fantasy is basically calling the Holy Spirit a liar IMO since he guided them to write it (which I believe I know not all do), and blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is been said in the Bible as the only unforgivable sin. So to me I believe every word, I know some words might have been mistranslated, but I do not believe stories are false, or anything was added by churches later on. Only denominations do that.

I do respect others rights to believe that way I'm just saying you can't half believe it. Like said above that is being Luke Warm which the Bible speaks against.
 
vibeke_T said:
No, its not possible.
You're either hot or cold for the Lord not lukewarm...the Bible says this. Either you believe the words of the Bible and subsequently Jesus or you dont...not anything in between.

Did I spell your name wrong, oops. It was me expressing my GOD given free will to type faster than I can spell.

As for your statement, I say to you again: How very Christian of you to open your mind and understand my ability to balance faith and common friggin sense. :o

Besides, what do you care. My beliefs in God should be and are none of your concern. So does the Bible say its ok to butt in my ideas and tell me I'm wrong, oh wait...it does doesn't it.

Aah, but wait.

Last time I checked Judging in christiandom was to be left to God. So what the heck are you doing?
 
vibeke_T said:
FadingCB i like your style

Lol thnx. Honestly I thought you guys were handling yourselves very well and I didn't need to say anything. It's just after reading ppl saying "close this thread" I felt I needed to say something because it's hypocritical.

Everyone has a right to believe whatever, it's just the Hype has usually 3 anti-religious posts a week it seems. The first anti-big bang or evolution post I've seen yet is met by "Oh God, close it, here we go". I just don't see why we can't argue against evolution, but it's ok to make multiple threads against religion.
 
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