Fant4stic Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 34

[Docker2.0]

I'm having trouble imagining why anyone who doesn't know the Fantastic Four would want to see this film.

There doesn't seem to be any real story described in the trailers. What is the conflict? Who are the characters? What's this film really about? Only people who know the FF would have any idea how to answer those questions based on the trailers.

Maybe they are targeting fanboys. Jordan did say "they'll see it anyway." Despite how bland and far off from the source material they are going, there are people who plan to see this regardless.............and I'm talking about fanboys.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

It's worth noting that my original post was aimed at Cyclopswasright who has claimed on numerous occasions that what Fox is changing with the FF is no different than what Marvel has done with their numerous properties.
That is such a laughable argument, and it shows in that the only examples he can bring up out of the 11 installments in the MCU are so sparse and obscure compared to the numerous changes evident in only the brief snippets of footage we've seen from the FFINO.

The level of intellectual dishonesty is so high that I don't even respond to those kind of comments anymore. You'd think this kind of reaching could only be displayed by Reed Richards himself but considering this movie isn't about "stretchy guy" it's up to this films' defenders to do it!

 

[Marvin]

What is this based on?

I would think what puts movies over the top is the general public liking a concept, not the die hards. I mean, I know the die hards like to think that...

Also found it an odd assertion to say the least.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Um, I could be mistaken but er uh...did I just see some marketing for this upcoming film using the tag line "Prepare For The Fantastic?"

Haven't we already been prepped?

Way to break the mold.

 

[Eddie]

Their initial cut obviously failed miserably. They threw in some crap from the only other Fantastic Four they knew, Tim Story's. It's weird how much stuff lately is just a "grounded, gritty" take on the Story version, and it's even weirder that evidence points to some of that being from the reshoots and newer marketing. If it was going to be a bastardization anyway, body horror that was "definitely not for young kids" may have actually been the more interesting film (completely ignoring loyalty to source, which is already out the window).

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Their initial cut obviously failed miserably. They threw in some crap from the only other Fantastic Four they knew, Tim Story's. It's weird how much stuff lately is just a "grounded, gritty" take on the Story version, and it's even weirder that evidence points to some of that being from the reshoots and newer marketing. If it was going to be a bastardization anyway, body horror that was "definitely not for young kids" may have actually been the more interesting film (completely ignoring loyalty to source, which is already out the window).

Agreed. I didn't like the sound of that, but I respected it at least as a serious effort to create something different and new.

 

[RAE072]

This been posted yet?

Fantastic Four 3D Post-Conversion Officially Cancelled, Will Only Be Released in 2D

http://www.finalreel.co.uk/fantastic-four-3d-post-conversion-cancelled/

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Its nice to have confirmation

 

[RAE072]

Its nice to have confirmation

Nice they're going to get even less money.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Nice they're going to get even less money.

It will make them less money, but it could also give them a bigger profit since they are no longer spending the money on it.

 

[RAE072]

It will make them less money, but it could also give them a bigger profit since they are no longer spending the money on it.

Eh they've already spent more than they originally wanted/planned to. If current projections are correct, give or take, they'll barely make any kind of profit.

 

[socool]

A lot of places say that this is a sign that Fox has lost faith in the movie since they've already spent money converting it--money that no longer exists since they're not converting. That combined with everything we've heard involving behind the scenes conflicts really makes me think this movie is gonna...uh...yeah.

 

[lordofthenerds]

Their initial cut obviously failed miserably. They threw in some crap from the only other Fantastic Four they knew, Tim Story's. It's weird how much stuff lately is just a "grounded, gritty" take on the Story version, and it's even weirder that evidence points to some of that being from the reshoots and newer marketing. If it was going to be a bastardization anyway, body horror that was "definitely not for young kids" may have actually been the more interesting film (completely ignoring loyalty to source, which is already out the window).

This is looking more and more like a remake of Story's FF every day.

 

[RAE072]

A lot of places say that this is a sign that Fox has lost faith in the movie since they've already spent money converting it--money that no longer exists since they're not converting. That combined with everything we've heard involving behind the scenes conflicts really makes me think this movie is gonna...uh...yeah.

Yeah, not good at all.

No point in putting in extra investment when they think they won't get that back+ in profit.

 

[Krystal]

I don't know what was the larger load of unmitigated cr*p---Trank's completely dishonest tripe about the reason for abandoning 3D or the pathetic happy spin from the writer of the article.
Hey dude. No one cares if YOU like 3D---for the first time ever a studio bailed on a 3D conversion for an announced release.
Combine that with Fox moving their other action release one week CLOSER to FFINO and their lack of faith is evident.

 

[Eddie]

No 3D is really going to hurt its chances of even releasing in China. As long as it's been since release dates were announced most everywhere besides China, and taking lack of 3D into account as well, I guarantee you that if they get it Fox will have to settle for a lower than usual cut. I don't think some people realize that negotiations have to be made to even get a release in various territories, and not every film gets the same deal.

 

[Val_Zod]

China has been the saving grace for blockbusters. Without it, it will be hard for Fox to turn a profit for a project that went way over budget at this point. And even if they somehow manage to get China, I imagine the deal will not yield strong returns for the studio.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Just a little bit of context with this whole 3D cancellation thing:

Kinberg, Fox's go-to screenwriter and producer for all things Marvel, has spoken out about 2015's hottest foursome - and revealed some fascinating details about the production - including updates on it's potential 3D conversion, the movie's tone and it's sequels.

Speaking to Collider, Kinberg admitted that the film will be post-converted to 3D - an unsurprising move, but a risky one in critical terms - rather than filming natively. He suggested, however, that the eventual conversion to 3D remained at the forefront of their thinking:

“We’re definitely imagining the story in 3D as we’re making it, and it has powers that are well-suited to telling the story in 3D—not just Reed, but you have somebody that is on fire, and that’s something that can be immersive and scary. The reason to use 3D in this Fantastic Four, I think, is to make the experience feel as immersive as possible, where you feel like you’re with the characters looking at themselves and looking at each other with these bizarre powers and feeling like they’re really interacting with you.”

http://moviepilot.com/posts/2014/05/09/simon-kinberg-talks-fantastic-4-sequels-3d-conversion-1412267?lt_source=external,manual

Kinberg is so full of crap!

And so is Trank!

"I want the viewing experience of Fantastic Four to remain as pure as possible for the audience, which means in 2D, just as we shot the movie."

Somebody's clearly talking out their you-know-what here.

Maybe Fox will have these web sites with these earlier interviews pulled from the web like they had the Tim Story abominations pulled off of iTunes and Amazon. Maybe they can send Hugh Jackman back in time to stop Kinberg from ever giving this interview. Or they could just send their signature strongly worded legal notices asking these articles to be taken down. I'm sure whatever they wasted on the attempted 3D conversion pales in comparison to their attorney fees. That's where the budget went!

Seriously though, they must think we have the memory of goldfish.

"Prepare for the Fantastic!" Again!

You're "just gonna see it anyway"!

LOL

 

[Krystal]

Wait we now know why Trank "walked away" from the Star Wars project---he couldn't accept Disney's crass attempt to ruin the "purity" of his vision by wanting to show it in 3D!

 

[RAE072]

Has it been confirmed this is definitely not getting a China release?

 

[Eddie]

I mentioned this a couple of days ago (in the box office thread, I think), but Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance is probably the most recent film to release that would have had a comparable licensing deal to Fantastic Four (X-Men is known to have been a terrible negotiation from Avi Arad, giving Fox a sweetheart deal, and the Spider-Man rights were renegotiated a few years back). As you (should) all know, the last Ghost Rider was considered a massive flop. What you may not realize, though, is that it made more than twice its budget at the box office. It made a bit less than its production budget domestically, and performed better internationally. I don't put much faith in tracking, but current numbers have Fantastic Four making a bit less than its budget domestically, just like Spirit of Vengeance. This film probably needs exceptional performance overseas to make a profit, and may well need to hit triple its budget to break even.

 

[Krystal]

Wow, thanks for posting that.
It is just so clear that everything they are saying and have said in the past was just blatant lying to throw out whatever sounds good at the time.
Kinberg was CLEARLY saying that it was specifically shot with action that lent itself to 3D.
The horse manure Trank just spouted pretends that it was not shot with 3D in mind and converting it would be forcing something that hadn't been planed for!
Which of them is lying?---as usual, BOTH.
If this fails massively, it will become the stuff of Hollywood legend.
How, after Marvel giving the world a blueprint of how to make a CB based movie, did they manage to get so much wrong?

 

[Krystal]

That Bryan Singer to the rescue rumor from a couple of days ago.......
In what way could that work?
Even if FFINO is a moderate hit---would throwing them into an X Men movie help the X Men?
And conversely, wouldn't tossing some mutants in a FF sequel just point out that the FF franchise just needed a little viagra to make it appealing to a larger audience?
I know Singer is not that stupid or deluded to think he has the skills to raise this turkey iteration to an acceptable level.

 

[Eddie]

I'd argue that throwing the Fantastic Four into an X-Men movie would actually hurt Fox more than help them. I don't see a crossover making anything substantially more than an X-Men or X-Men/New Mutants crossover movie, and Marvel gets a larger cut from Fantastic Four films. A Fantastic Four/X-Men crossover film would basically be an X-Men film that Fox keeps less money from.

 

[Krystal]

The most memerizing thing about this thread is the capacity of the boosters to crawl back to their feet from any blow!
No matter what the news, the scandal, the evidence--they manage, like a cliched boxer from a movie, to get back on their feet, answer the bell and start throwing some wild haymakers!
This 3D cancellation and the obvious nonsense spouted by Kinberg back in thr day and Trank just now---will be be spun as positive.
So much effort has been put into defending this thing, well, surrender is unthinkable.