Fant4stic Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - - - Part 40

[Zarex]

I'm surprised there are this many die hard Fantastic fans out there. Where were all of you when the comic books got cancelled and the series as a whole was withering away in irrelevancy?

Going to school, getting jobs, raising children......basically living our lives. I grew up at a time when comics were for kids. It's true! And while I haven't been a steady purchaser of FF mags since then, I remain a fan of the team whose adventures I plucked off the spinner rack. Is that ok with you, fan of another franchise?

You want your classic Fantastic 4 movie based off the 60's comic? Watch the story films. This movie was clearly trying to reinvigorate a property that desperately needed it. Enough said, they didn't move away from the entire source material they just moved away from a dated series from the 60's and went with the Ultimate series. Reed, Grimm, and Johnny's characterization were pulled straight from that.

Josh, is that you? Hope you're recovering from this weekend's debacle.

So to say they strayed so far off the comics is misleading, and just ignorant. They took bits and pieces from the Ultimates, heck even their space suits were inspired by the Future Foundation suits. You guys seem to prefer the classic comic books, which is fine and all. And you have the Story films for that. But they clearly went another way with this particular movie.

And how did that work out for you, Joshie my boy?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Elaborate.

Most of the posters here have spent the last two years "elaborating". Look around.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I also get the feeling that Fox felt Tranks vision for this franchise wouldn't mesh well with what they were doing with the X-Men, Gambit and Deadpool films. They are all supposed to be in the same universe yet the film, if the studio let Trank complete the film all the way thru, wouldn't have fit tonally with the others. This definitely felt like a movie that was meant to stand on its own and be its own thing. The last 30 minutes or so is where we see Fox trying to make it into something that would fit better in the cinematic universe it's been building. Unfortunately that just didn't work. I'd say if they still stick to a sequel in 2017 for this they have the F4 already matured and grown, and have in properly written to fit into that universe. Retcon what happened to Doom here. And make him a big bad for the Fox cinematic universe. And introduce magic! That would be so fun! Get someone who is passion about Fantastic 4 and someone who is passionate about this property to satisfy all types of Fantastic 4 fans.

You actually think that there is a chance that a sequel will be made.

 

[Boom]

So as a fan of the 1960's Fantastic Four, I should be content with two movies with awful scripts, awful characterizations, awful acting, awful special effects, and awful action pieces. Gotcha.

I think I'll just wait for someone with genuine passion for these characters to make a good movie that doesn't apologize for them. Someone who doesn't make the movie for the sake of rights retention and nothing else.

All four of these Fantastic Debacles have been made with the worst intentions.

 

[VictorDomashev]

 

[Spider-Fan]

So as a fan of the 1960's Fantastic Four, I should be content with two movies with awful scripts, awful characterizations, awful acting, awful special effects, and awful action pieces. Gotcha.

I think I'll just wait for someone with genuine passion for these characters to make a good movie that doesn't apologize for them. Someone who doesn't make the movie for the sake of rights retention and nothing else.

If Marvel wants to save money, I will gladly do a GOOD movie about the classic FF for free. I'm a filmmaker that would be PROUD to adapt that material. Someone like me with that passion should be hired. Not someone that hates the material and just wants to remake The Fly

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

So as a fan of the 1960's Fantastic Four, I should be content with two movies with awful scripts, awful characterizations, awful acting, awful special effects, and awful action pieces. Gotcha.

I think I'll just wait for someone with genuine passion for these characters to make a good movie that doesn't apologize for them. Someone who doesn't make the movie for the sake of rights retention and nothing else.

How dare you? You should just bend over and blindly accept what Fox gives you.

 

[DCnightwing23]

So as a fan of the 1960's Fantastic Four, I should be content with two movies with awful scripts, awful characterizations, awful acting, awful special effects, and awful action pieces. Gotcha.

I think I'll just wait for someone with genuine passion for these characters to make a good movie that doesn't apologize for them. Someone who doesn't make the movie for the sake of rights retention and nothing else.

So there are just supposed to adapt the same 60's Fantastic Four all over again till it works? Even when they had two films that just didn't work either?

Everyone loved the West 60's Batman series and movie. Then came along Burton and Batman 89' with a completely different tone, pulling from complete different sources of the comic books. And it worked. After the campy, god awful Batman and Robin, Nolan brought as a realistic take on the Dark Knight and again, it worked. Sometimes you need to adapt from something different. To try and revitalize a franchise. Clearly it didn't work this time but again, Fox imo wanted a film that would be a setup to something that could work for their cinematic universe. And this wasn't going to be that.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

The new Drz.

Nah, he doesn't have DRZ's dedication. This dude just drops in from time to time tell everyone how mean and unfair they are before disappearing off somewhere. DRZ at least had the drive to show up every day.

 

[DCnightwing23]

If Marvel wants to save money, I will gladly do a GOOD movie about the classic FF for free. I'm a filmmaker that would be PROUD to adapt that material. Someone like me with that passion should be hired. Not someone that hates the material and just wants to remake The Fly

There are a countless number of versions of the Fantastic 4. The 60's version adapted in 2 films by Story didn't work. So why not try and take inspiration from another part of the Fantastic 4 comicbooks?

 

[VictorDomashev]

There are a countless number of versions of the Fantastic 4. The 60's version adapted in 2 films by Story didn't work. So why not try and take inspiration from another part of the Fantastic 4 comicbooks?

& the one here did not work & the other ones made more money

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

You actually think that there is a chance that a sequel will be made.

 

[Snow Queen]

So there are just supposed to adapt the same 60's Fantastic Four all over again till it works? Even when they had two films that just didn't work either?

Everyone loved the West 60's Batman series and movie. Then came along Burton and Batman 89' with a completely different tone, pulling from complete different sources of the comic books. And it worked. After the campy, god awful Batman and Robin, Nolan brought as a realistic take on the Dark Knight and again, it worked. Sometimes you need to adapt from something different. To try and revitalize a franchise. Clearly it didn't work this time but again, Fox imo wanted a film that would be a setup to something that could work for their cinematic universe. And this wasn't going to be that.

Here's the problem: you can't take something that worked with one character and just expect it to work on another. Nolan's take on Batman, as this has been often compared to due to what this wants to be, is a take that fits Batman. It keeps his character in tact, it's still in the spirit of many of the more popular Batman comics like Year One, The Long Halloween, Knightfall, The Killing Joke, The Man Who Falls and The Dark Knight Returns. This...isn't. It's trying to force a property to fit a different tone instead of just trying to find a tone that fits the property.

 

[Snow Queen]

There are a countless number of versions of the Fantastic 4. The 60's version adapted in 2 films by Story didn't work. So why not try and take inspiration from another part of the Fantastic 4 comicbooks?

They didn't work because they were bad films.

 

[Eddie]

If you slather your eyes in liquid feces before you read Ultimate Fantastic Four, and do the same when you watch the film of course, they might look similar.

 

[DCnightwing23]

Here's the problem: you can't take something that worked with one character and just expect it to work on another. Nolan's take on Batman, as this has been often compared to due to what this wants to be, is a take that fits Batman. It keeps his character in tact, it's still in the spirit of many of the more popular Batman comics like Year One, The Long Halloween, Knightfall, The Killing Joke, The Man Who Falls and The Dark Knight Returns. This...isn't. It's trying to force a property to fit a different tone instead of just trying to find a tone that fits the property.

So there has never been a F4 comic book story arc that had a slightly darker tone to it? It's always just been light hearted and fun? I don't think so.

 

[Snow Queen]

So there has never been a F4 comic book story arc that had a slightly darker tone to it? It's always just been light hearted and fun? I don't think so.

Please point to the popular and well-respected takes on these characters that involve them being used as military weapons and tries to be a horror story.

 

[DCnightwing23]

If you slather your eyes in liquid feces before you read Ultimate Fantastic Four, and do the same when you watch the film of course, they might look similar.

You can continue to make insults to this film, and again I've stated they took pieces from Ultimate. And pointed out exactly what they took from it. It's not much, but it shows they didn't completely avoid ALL of the interpretations of the "first family"

 

[Spider-Fan]

There are a countless number of versions of the Fantastic 4. The 60's version adapted in 2 films by Story didn't work. So why not try and take inspiration from another part of the Fantastic 4 comicbooks?

Easy, do the one that lasted from the 60s until just recently. Not the one that everyone basically hated upon release and had to revamped every 10 issues

Seriously, just because Tim Story made 2 crappy FF films that strived to be closer to the comic in style doesn't mean that the 60s FF cannot be adapted or that you need to make a giant piece of trash that spits on the classic FF. This just means that it was in the wrong hands. When you try to reinvent the wheel, it HAS to be spot on, and the thing is it is harder to reinvent the wheel than to just make a better friggin wheel!!!!

 

[VictorDomashev]

Its like the defenders of this movie take turns defending this movie. Cyclops is here one day. Next day is that writer fella. Now its this guy & the psylossus or whatever his name is guy. I guess we should be thankful that they never post here all at once at this point

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I guess we should be thankful that they never post here all at once at this point

This is why the X-Forums are best avoided.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Its like the defenders of this movie take turns defending this movie. Cyclops is here one day. Next day is that writer fella. Now its this guy & the psylossus or whatever his name is guy. I guess we should be thankful that they never post here all at once at this point

I wish they all posted at the same time. I'm going through some tough **** so I could use the endless laugh.

 

[Boom]

So there are just supposed to adapt the same 60's Fantastic Four all over again till it works? Even when they had two films that just didn't work either?

The Fantastic Four are cosmic explorers with a dysfunctional family dynamic. Humor, heart, and a sense of adventure are at their core. That is not exclusive to the 1960's run. That's who they are as characters and what Fantastic Four is as a property.

So yes. Getting the characters right would be good.

Everyone loved the West 60's Batman series and movie. Then came along Burton and Batman 89' with a completely different tone, pulling from complete different sources of the comic books. And it worked. After the campy, god awful Batman and Robin, Nolan brought as a realistic take on the Dark Knight and again, it worked. Sometimes you need to adapt from something different. To try and revitalize a franchise. Clearly it didn't work this time but again, Fox imo wanted a film that would be a setup to something that could work for their cinematic universe. And this wasn't going to be that.

Batman as a concept lends itself to dark and gritty interpretations. He was conceived as a superhero spin on the pulps. The original depiction of the character featured him using a gun. His parents were gunned down in front of him. The character wash only pushed into campy territory during the 50's and 60's because of parents' concerns regarding violent comic books' influence on children - from which the Comics Code was born. But given the sheer popularity of the character, the campy version endured until such a time that he was able to return to his darker roots. As such, there is precedent and merit for both of these interpretations rooted throughout his published history.

To compare Batman's situation with the Fantastic Four's is asinine. Not even remotely the same thing. The Fantastic Four have never been dark and gritty and devoid of any sense of fun and adventure.

 

[Eddie]

You can continue to make insults to this film

Okay.

This film is a horrendous stain on the careers of all involved. Adult film would have been less embarrassing.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Okay.

This film is a horrendous stain on the careers of all involved. Adult film would have been less embarrassing.

I saw what you did there. LOL