Favorite villan other then the joker

[CFE]

Why couldn't they, you little Burton groupie? He was a complete creep job in BEGINS. And did so without black jello dripping out of his mouth.

Name Calling?



I feel like I'm in kindergarden again.

Guess we can't rely on Darkest Knight for mature discussion...EVER...

CFE

 

[SHADOWBAT69]

It was a toss up between Penguin and Catwoman, but I ultimately voted for Penguin. He tried to romance and burn Gotham at the same time. His plan to kill all the first borns of Gotham was also a very hardcore idea. He had a tragic background that was not of his own making. Burton, I thought, did a very good job with him.

 

[CFE]

I voted for Penguin as well. I really loved the idea of seeing Keaton's Batman tackling different villains and situations in Returns. And DeVito's performance is just great for me. I don't care what anyone says about the black penguin bile...

It's an interesting bend on a character, and it's a good one at that.

CFE

 

[Mr. Socko]

It was a painful, fragile introspection of a broken hearted lost soul, laced with subtlety and pathos. Sob....it was beautiful.

*shed's tear*

Post of the Year 2007

He didn't technically call him a moron.

 

[Warhammer]

Ra's was my favorite after Joker, but since he is left out for some reason, I vote for Max. I always had soft spot for Max, and I am a big Christopher Walken fan.

 

[The Shredder]

Catwoman slightly edges out Penguin in this poll for me.

 

[CrazyDavey]

Where is Ra's Al Ghul? Errr, duh.

Ditto. I thought Liam Neeson's Ra's Al Ghul was a great villian

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Ditto. I thought Liam Neeson's Ra's Al Ghul was a great villian

Too preachy. Every single line he said was out of a text book on warrior philosophy. He's like an escapee from The Matrix Reloaded.

 

[Darkest Knight]

Ra's Al Ghul was so ****ing awesome.

 

[CFE]

Too preachy. Every single line he said was out of a text book on warrior philosophy. He's like an escapee from The Matrix Reloaded.

I agree with this quite a bit.

Although Ras' is one of my favorite villains, he was written far better in Batman: TAS as well as his debut in the books (thank you Mr. O'Neil.)

CFE

 

[Darkest Knight]

Because I think that scarecrow was a extremely boring villain

Explain how he was "boring" ? You're confusing "boring" for "sober" and not being "over the top" and "campy" in his performance. See: Joker, Penguin, Two-Face, Riddler, Poision Ivy, Mr. Freeze from previous movies.

who lacked imagination makes me a Burton groupie?

This comment alone isn't what makes you a Burton groupie. It's your posting history and habits. Your past posts don't get deleted, you're a Nolan hater. BTW, this isn't a put down per se ... let alone me slinging mud at you. It's just the truth. You say you're able to call out flaws in Nolan's universe, but you absolutely refrain from doing the same with Burton's riddled version of the mythos.

Oh well since he was a creep, we might as forget about the fact there is no back story on him what so ever

Let me break it down for you, son ...

There doesn't have to be a back story for him to be a great villain, and a creepy opposition to Batman. Many believed Cillian's performance was one of the best in the movie. Cillian's look alone might be creepier than his mask. The character is disturbing through Cillian's performance of subtelty. You see this geek who is repressed, but has insane eyes, and you can almost visualize things brewing within his mind about sick things. "Perhaps you should have some, help clear your head." Does a villain have to have a back story and be completely over the top to be good? Nolan's mythos is completely sober. All elements, including Batman. So when you say Murphy's villain isn't good, then how can you even lie to us and say you enjoyed BEGINS? Because the whole movie is like that. It isn't punch drunk love with the fantastical elements of the story. Nolan keeps it real. And this argument against Scarecrow or any other villain in BEGINS exposes the haters for the pieces of crap they are. "The character isn't good because he doesn't have enough screen time, or because he doesn't have an origin" ... weren't these the same people that bash BEGINS for being too forward in its themes and not subtle enough? Yet these characters surrounding Bruce are subtle, and up for interpretation from the viewer. Weren't these the same people that originally complained the villains got too much of the spot light in ALL previous Batman movies? Yeah, I thought so ... your arguments hold no water.

So when you pop off at the mouth like an absolute idiot saying "Scarecrow shouldn't even be mentioned" makes you look utterly stupid.

This was called "Batman Begins", not "Johnathan Crane Begins", correct? Was every character supposed to have a back story? LOL ... This movie, un-like others, was about BRUCE WAYNE. And everyone else you see on screen (as in the comics) help define Bruce Wayne's WORLD and p.o.v. Not the other way around.

that there is no mention of his obsession with fear other than that small line "I respect the power of the mind".

Once again, does there have to be. It's up to interpretation. Not to mention, it leaves mystery to the character. As he can still be fleshed out in further installments. You know, because the villain wasn't killed in his movie.

The fact he was a creep makes him a good Villain?

Yes, it does. He's actually threatning. And Ra's Al Ghul, even more than that. But oh, we only got one line of dialogue that refers to his "origin" ...

And since we didn't get an origin, and a personal bio on his agenda ... he "isn't a good villain."

I like Begins, I just don't blind myself its faults, unlike some.

Who is this "some" you speak of? Blinding of what? There is MINIMAL flaws to Batman Begins in the first place. But obviously it isn't me, or you got your facts twisted, chief. I'm arguing about something that isn't a "fault" ... in fact it's a "strength", unique to these Nolan Batman movies.

You like B89 correct? I see no mention of the flaws of that movie. But oh yeah, you're unbiased. I got on your case b/c your statement alone about Scarecrow makes you stick out like a sore thumb. And by sore thumb, I mean un-adulterated Burton groupie.

Also don't fall as low as name calling, it just makes you look like a moron.

Hypocritica, no? It's all good buddy, I wasn't attacking YOU. I was stating the obvious. And nothing degrading to you personally. It's just that you're a hardcore groupie. Nothing wrong with that, just stating your bias, thus negating you terrible comments.

 

[The Sage]

Why isn't Ra's Al Ghul from Batman Begins on the list? Besides Nicholson's Joker, Neeson's Ra's rocked my world the most, in terms of acting, character portrayal, and faithfulness to the books. The only thing he was missing was him saying "Detective".

Also, other than Joker, Ra's is second favorite Bat-Villain. And I was happy that they got his character right.

 

[Bat Attack]

Penguin in BR. DeVito really took the character and made it his own. Good Stuff.

You can tell he really loved playing the character as well.

 

[Darkest Knight]

Devito made the character his own, and I have a ton of respect for that.

 

[Dr. Fate]

I voted for Catwoman just because she's Catwoman.

 

[Cain]

I liked Catwoman the best period, simply because of how well the dynamic between her and Batman was translated. It's still my favorite performance out of any Batman movie as well, Michelle owned I rate her above Jack as The Joker. I always wanted to see Ra's in a movie and was very happy that it finally happened. I'd say he's definitely up there in my book it was my favorite performance from Begins. Sure he wasn't in the flick much but the moments we had with him you definitely knew that was Ra's. He's number 3 when it comes to my faves.

I loved what was done to The Penguin as I've always hated the character in the comics though he has drastically improved in the comics since Batman Returns' release I'm still not to fond of him. What Waters, DeVito and Burton did in reinventing him was quite admirable added a lot of layers to an otherwise corny one dimensional character. Scarecrow is another of my favorites but I wasn't too fond of the way he was dealt with in Begins but I get a very strong feeling we will see the Scarecrow that we all know and love in The Dark Knight since he will be well established by that point.

 

[CFE]

Explain how he was "boring" ? You're confusing "boring" for "sober" and not being "over the top" and "campy" in his performance. See: Joker, Penguin, Two-Face, Riddler, Poision Ivy, Mr. Freeze from previous movies.

The films are based on a comic book mythology, where being over the top and over exaggerated is key. Hell even Frank Miller agrees with that.

Also, Scarecrow delivers the line "You need to lighten up" prior to setting Batman ablaze with a Zippo.

And you're saying he's not campy at all?

It's a balancing act, but there's a hint of camp to the Begins performances as well, so don't be blind to it in your devotion to Nolan's realistic approach. There's most certainly a hefty amount of camp to be found in that film.

This comment alone isn't what makes you a Burton groupie. It's your posting history and habits. Your past posts don't get deleted, you're a Nolan hater.

Cheap shot...

BTW, this isn't a put down per se ... let alone me slinging mud at you. It's just the truth. You say you're able to call out flaws in Nolan's universe, but you absolutely refrain from doing the same with Burton's riddled version of the mythos.

Riddled? no...Artistically altered? yes. And I can't speak for the poster whom this is aimed at, but I for one have no problem pointing out the faults from any Batman-related media.

It IS more a question of what suits your appeal to the character. Having Burton's version displayed a good 16 years prior to Nolan's helps as well.

Let me break it down for you, son ...

Ugh, I hate when people call you 'son' or 'kid' as if they were a superior. As a side note, there's no need for that nonsense...

There doesn't have to be a back story for him to be a great villain, and a creepy opposition to Batman.

One thing I agree on...

Many believed Cillian's performance was one of the best in the movie. Cillian's look alone might be creepier than his mask. The character is disturbing through Cillian's performance of subtelty. You see this geek who is repressed, but has insane eyes, and you can almost visualize things brewing within his mind about sick things. "Perhaps you should have some...clear your head."

Again, I agree.

Does a villain have to have a back story and be completely over the top to be good? Nolan's mythos is completely sober.

By sober, you obviously must mean not like a comic book at all. Again, comic books are a realm all there own. We're dealing with the story of a man who dresses as a human bat to fight the likes of a 600 year old eco-terrorist and a psycopathic clown. Reality goes out the window right then. These characters work best, as Frank stated, "The flamboyant fantasties they are."

That's why the Burton films are personally a bit more enjoyable. There's not a single shred of mystery or intrigue in Batman Begins...

And if you call me on this, it just confirms you to be a Nolan groupie, which may or maynot in turn teach you the value of not calling people names like, in brutal honesty, a naive juvenile.

So when you say Murphy's villain isn't good, then how can you even lie to us and say you enjoyed BEGINS? Because the whole movie is like that. It isn't punch drunk love with the fantastical elements of the story.

yeah it's not a true comic book movie, you've said this three times already...

Nolan keeps it real

translation...slightly predictable, a tad boring and not at all a decent representation of what comic books truly are...over the top and fantastical (which isn't a word BTW, chief)

Being over the top and exaggerated fantasy is what made comics great in the first place. If not for that, you think they'd still be around today? I'm not saying Begins isn't enjoyable and re-watchable. But don't use it as an excuse to s**t all over the Burton films.

And this argument against Scarecrow or any other villain in BEGINS exposes the haters for the pieces of crap they are.

Wow...more name calling...a bit harsher this time...but not at all surprising to have it coming from you

Again, you need to cut out the childish behavior, it's completely unnecessary here, it really is. And I don't think people are going to have much tolerance for it should it continue.

"The character isn't good because he doesn't have enough screen time, or because he doesn't have an origin" ... weren't these the same people that bash BEGINS for being too forward in its themes and not subtle enough? Yet these characters surrounding Bruce are subtle, and up for interpretation from the viewer. Weren't these the same people that originally complained the villains got too much of the spot light in ALL previous Batman movies? Yeah, I thought so ... your arguments hold no water.

You lost me here...you make no sense whatsoever...guess it's my doing though

So when you pop off at the mouth like an absolute idiot saying "Scarecrow shouldn't even be mentioned" makes you look utterly stupid.

Yikes, name calling twice in the same post...and the "makes you look utterly stupid" just seems like a futile attempt to hit him back for saying you'd "look like a moron."

It seems like someone needs a time-out from recess...

This was called "Batman Begins", not "Johnathan Crane Begins", correct? Was every character supposed to have a back story? LOL

I don't believe that's the point he was making. He was focusing on Crane, not the entire cast.

... This movie, un-like others, was about BRUCE WAYNE.

I don't know what Batman films YOU watch but, with the exception of "Batman & Robin" the first three live-action films have an awful lot to do with Bruce's character. I suppose because they do it in a subtle, sophisticated and not in your face way, you're just not mature enough to notice it underneath the surface of the films.

And everyone else you see on screen (as in the comics) help define Bruce Wayne's WORLD and p.o.v. Not the other way around.

There's no point to this statement. Yeah, we get it, Begins is about Batman...old news, don't need to hear it again...

Once again, does there have to be. It's up to interpretation. Not to mention, it leaves mystery to the character.

Mystery doesn't apply to any of the characters in Begins, I'm afraid...

As he can still be fleshed out in further installments. You know, because the villain wasn't killed in his movie.

That doesn't mean an awful lot at all.

Yes, it does. He's actually threatning. And Ra's Al Ghul, even more than that.

And the Burton villain's weren't? Joker planned to poison all of Gotham (huh, seems he had Ras' plan before Ras' did...) and Penguin planned to drown children, which is morally FAR more threatening. And though the execution of the idea wasn't great, Riddler violated a trust of humanity and read minds. That's threatening as well...

Who is this "some" you speak of? Blinding of what? There is MINIMAL flaws to Batman Begins in the first place.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...Clearly, as the other poster may refuse to point out the flaws in the Burton films, you seem to be the same for Begins.

Who the hell's the hypocrit NOW? Because by "some" he clearly means you.

Or were you not aware of the whole Burtonite/Nolanite thing.

NOTE: I agree with Keyser; I'm a Batmanite first and always

But obviously it isn't me, or you got your facts twisted, chief. I'm arguing about something that isn't a "fault" ... in fact it's a "strength", unique to these Nolan Batman movies.

We only got one film so far "chief" don't sing the franchises praises just yet...

Plus the "some" he was referring to is now clearly you, because rather than ignore the faults of Begins like a normal Nolanite, you're doing one worse, and convincing yourself that the faults are actually strengths.

EVERY Bat-Film has it's faults. End of discussion, no way around it. Don't be naive and manipulate yourself into thinking Begins is perfect.

You like B89 correct? I see no mention of the flaws of that movie. But oh yeah, you're unbiased. I got on your case b/c your statement alone about Scarecrow makes you stick out like a sore thumb. And by sore thumb, I mean un-adulterated Burton groupie.

God, how old ARE you???

Hypocritic, no? It's all good buddy, I wasn't attacking YOU. I was stating the obvious. And nothing degrading to you personally. It's just that you're a hardcore groupie. Nothing wrong with that, just stating your bias, thus negating you terrible comments.

Ah, one final jab at him, huh?

What're you even doing here anyway? Because if you're just here to say "BATMAN BEGINS IS GOLD, and anyone who likes Burton SUX and is STUPID..." You can just leave now...

CFE

 

[SHADOWBAT69]

why is it inevery possible thread there are individuals who must bring up their opinion that Begins with all its characters and story telling is superior to any other bat film? God, this crap gets old.

 

[Darkest Knight]

The films are based on a comic book mythology, where being over the top and over exaggerated is key. Hell even Frank Miller agrees with that.

Uh, not neccesarily. Obviously BEGINS was really successful, and a load of people enjoy the vision and it is reality based more so than it is an exaggerated fantasy. And Frank Miller is just ONE guy, with one opinion. For the most part his best work on the character of Batman was seen in Batman: Year One, and that isn't over the top at all. In tone it is just like Batman Begins. So looks like Frank Miller has convulted ideas on the character.

Also, Scarecrow delivers the line "You need to lighten up" prior to setting Batman ablaze with a Zippo.

Yes ... and?

You really are a comic film expert.

And you're saying he's not campy at all?

That one line of dialogue could possibly be considered "campy", but his performance as a whole says otherwise. C'mon, Mr. Expert ... you should know this.

LOL

It's a balancing act, but there's a hint of camp to the Begins performances as well

Oh no, I did notice that. But as a whole the movie is played much more straight forward in every way than the previous versions. So, don't forget to mention that.

Cheap shot...

And? LMAO ...

Wait, are you getting your Marv Albert on? And commentating on something that has NOTHING to do with you? Trust me, you're not that important. Weren't you taught not to speak, until you're spoken to?

Let me know how Bob Costas is doing too, btw. Say "Hi" to everyone in the booth for me.

Riddled? no...Artistically altered? yes.

By riddled I meant having flaws just like any of these visions. How can you sit here and say the BEGINS changes are flaws, but the Burton ones are artistic alterations? Looks to me like you just want to argue.

And I can't speak for the poster whom this is aimed at[/quote]
Then why are you even posting?

I wasn't in a conversation and/or argument with you. Are you feeling left out or something?

Oh wait ...

Guess we can't rely on Darkest Knight for mature discussion...EVER...

You were taking shots at me before, heh? You naughty little boy. Shame on you. I didn't even notice it till now. Maybe because you're not that memorable? I don't know.

Do you have a crush on me or something? Trailing my posts? You mad cause I didn't respond to you, Mr. Expert?

but I for one have no problem pointing out the faults from any Batman-related media.

Of course, that's why you're the "expert." And that's why you're the movie consultant for all Batman related media.

It IS more a question of what suits your appeal to the character.

Agreed.

Ugh, I hate when people call you 'son' or 'kid' as if they were a superior.

Superior has nothing to do with it. I call everyone "son" ... I'd call your sister "son" if I granted her a date.

I'd call you father "son" ... it's just what we do out here in my neck of the woods. Don't take it personally. Don't let it twist your whitey tighties in a bunch.

As a side note, there's no need for that nonsense...

I'll remember this statement for later, champ.

By sober, you obviously must mean not like a comic book at all.

No, by sober I mean not going all out and making things too crazy and fantasy driven. By sober I mean making it feel real, and not over the top and zany. By sober I mean a stark difference in look and feel compared to the other Batman films.

The film was obviously comic book like. I mean, scenes were literally ripped off the page. The movie was completely comic book like, and very Batman-esque in those terms, but it also kept its head and didn't get absolutely crazy with things.

Again, comic books are a realm all there own. We're dealing with the story of a man who dresses as a human bat to fight the likes of a 600 year old eco-terrorist and a psycopathic clown. Reality goes out the window right then.

Wait, you are arguing just to argue ... otherwise you would get clowned for what you're saying right now. Denny O'Neil made Batman feel real. His character Ra's Al Ghul is one of, if not the most realistic villains (with the exception of the Lazarus Pit) ... O'Neil specifically made him to be a realistic super villain. The fact that you're saying reality goes out the window is ridiculous. These characters, especially in movie universes where everything looks and feels real, are taken even more into the realm of reality. What Nolan is doing is spinning the things to make them more believable. So, are you telling me that because reality goes out the window with these concepts (which it doesn't), that BEGINS has it all wrong? Because they did set this story in reality and it didn't go out the window. It was a knock out of the ball park. Just like S:TM, just like X-men series, etc. You are completely and utterly wrong. In fact, sometimes these characters feel alot cooler and less corny given realistic edge to them. You have no idea, Mr. "Expert" ... go back to comic book film class.



Okay, I'm just joking with you and your condscending user name ... haha, roll with the punches.

These characters work best, as Frank stated, "The flamboyant fantasties they are."

Is Frank the only person you cite? Frank isn't the end all be all of Batman authors. Because even Frank's material works against his spoken ideas. Also, can you reference and cite specifically where these quotes are coming from? Oh and Frank's wrong ... because he says this, yet at the same time he absolutely praised BEGINS. In fact, I even think he said it was the best one. Read it back in 2k5. I wouldn't say BEGINS is totally realistic either. Nolan uses a verisimilitude approach where he makes characterizations, actions, and things FEEL real. It is a fantasy, with a heavy dose of reality injected into, thus making it more relatable and really ... better. Suspension of disbelief. You don't get that with flayboyant fantasies. Everything in BEGINS felt much more threatning than the happenings in previous movies. The odds actually seemed stacked against the hero, and they were some what believable plots that made it fun to feel threatned.

That's why the Burton films are personally a bit more enjoyable. There's not a single shred of mystery or intrigue in Batman Begins...

That's your opinion, I found there to PLENTY of mystery and intrigue.

Nolan groupie

a naive juvenile.

Wait, rewind the tape ...

As a sidenote, there's is no need for this nonsense...

Tea Kettle, meet Pot ... discuss about being colored black. Your sense of moral high ground, and attempt at verbal discipline of me is completely negated when you devolve into similar attempts at put downs. haha

Oh ... and it isn't working, son.

yeah it's not a true comic book movie, you've said this three times already...

Oh it's a true comic book movie. It just has more class to it then the rest.

translation...slightly predictable, a tad boring and not at all a decent representation of what comic books truly are...over the top and fantastical (which isn't a word BTW, chief)

Boring is completely subjective. One would have to have the attention span of a 4th grader to find this film boring. If one has any sort of history or context of the character, and if there weren't rivited by this movie ... by all means, yes, something is wrong with them. This movie was pure Batman goodness. But this film is a representation of the "Batman comics" ...

Read Year One, TLH, DV, Man Who Falls and get back to me on how this isn't a representation of that material. Once again, you're wrong bro.

Being over the top and exaggerated fantasy is what made comics great in the first place.

At first, then it was their downfall. Then, the savior of the entire medium was in making the characters believable and ... GASP ... more realistic. But at the same time, Batman has always been one of the most realistic comic characters of the bunch. It's pulpy, gritty urban realism at its finest.

If not for that, you think they'd still be around today? I'm not saying Begins isn't enjoyable and re-watchable. But don't use it as an excuse to s**t all over the Burton films.

At what point was I "****ting all over the Burton films"? In fact, I really like the Burton films. Do you read? LOL, someone started by ****ting on BEGINS and I defended THAT. I noticed how you missed the original idiotic statement that started this ALL. You were too concerned with your crush on me, and getting me to respon to a post of yours. No one here, me included is ****ting on anything Burton has done. Re-read my statements, and examine my post history, flounder.

Wow...more name calling...a bit harsher this time...but not at all surprising to have it coming from you

Wait, you have done the same thing through out the course of this thread. haha

Tell me why you're really mad, bro?

Again, you need to cut out the childish behavior, it's completely unnecessary here, it really is.

Yet you continue to escelate it and bait me. BTW, none of this was directed at you ... please in do time tell me why you felt the need to C your way into an A / B conversation and play refferee. Who died and made you Officer O'Hara?

Oh wait ... your SHH's avenger. The "CAP LOCK CRUSADER" ... with his public identity that of Mr. Comic Film Expert ... the name in all its snotty condescending nature. Dun Dunna Dunnna CAP LOCK MAN!!!

And I don't think people are going to have much tolerance for it should it continue.

This just made me giggle. Go on, continue ...

You lost me here...you make no sense whatsoever...guess it's my doing though

It would make sense if you could read. You were probably just too lazy to type out a response. That or you knew you were wrong. Frankly I expect more from an "Expert."

Yikes, name calling twice in the same post...and the "makes you look utterly stupid" just seems like a futile attempt to hit him back for saying you'd "look like a moron."

This entire post attempt of yours was a futile attempt to get me to notice you. I bet it is all out hell with you and the females. Ignored, much?

It seems like someone needs a time-out from recess...

Join me, flounder.

I don't believe that's the point he was making. He was focusing on Crane, not the entire cast.

Right, but even so ... do you actually believe given how much material this movie covered that they would be able to give a detailed origin and back story for motivations of the character given time restraints? Get real Mr. Expert. He's a secondary character, and even then, his motivations are subtely stated ...

oh yeah, kind of like this ...

I suppose because they do it in a subtle, sophisticated and not in your face way, you're just not mature enough to notice it underneath the surface of the films.

I don't know what Batman films YOU watch but, with the exception of "Batman & Robin" the first three live-action films have an awful lot to do with Bruce's character.

Not near the extent of BEGINS. And you can't even deny this. There was times in the Batman movies where Bruce Wayne was delegated to secondary character status. Burton gave his reasoning saying he should be a 2D character. Out of all them prior to BEGINS, BF had the most character development. But oh yeah, who wants a movie about the actual title character, with character development and all that crap.

I suppose because they do it in a subtle, sophisticated and not in your face way, you're just not mature enough to notice it underneath the surface of the films.

Sophisticated? Subtle? I call lazy story telling in terms of the character growth of the TITLE CHARACTER. The comics are much more akin to BEGINS in the following of the main character's story.

There's no point to this statement. Yeah, we get it, Begins is about Batman...old news, don't need to hear it again...

Then why did you comment?

LOL @ all this considering I wasn't even talking to you.

Bwhahaha !!!

By Begins' end, both Rachel and Lucius knew Bruce's identity...Don't act like there's mystery to "Begins" Batman...at least not to the level of the Burton Batman.

Where was I even comparing that aspect to Burton's Batman? You making stuff up now, flounder. Mystery is in the eye of the beholder. And to me there is loads of intrigue. The last scene alone opens the flood gates. Rachel and Lucius knowing his identity doesn't take away from the mystery of the character. You kidding me? Oh yeah, but Viki Vale, Max Shrex, Joker, Catwoman, Chase Meridian, Two-Face, Two-Face's girls, Riddler, and everyone of those characters knowing is okay, right? Especially considering most of them are villains. Rachel isn't going to talk, and neither is Lucius. And Lucius knowing is never directly stated. It's the un-spoken bond between the two, which is another way to link Bruce back to his father. Awesome on MANY levels. Especially considering Fox will be making toys for this alter ego that he knows nothing about...

Umm, yeah Crane wasn't killed...duh...

LOL ... I'm juvenile. Haha, c'mon bro ... at least be funny. You're so dry and boring. Like a cracker or something.

So you must be talking about Ras'. But it seemed Ras' was indeed killed.

He was, but where was I even mentioning this? LOL

I'm saying Crane can be brought back and fleshed out more if need be. That's what that means.

And the Burton villain's weren't?

Not by a long shot. Far less threatning, as they were in essence alot less believable, in a non-recognizable world.

Joker planned to poison all of Gotham (huh, seems he had Ras' plan before Ras' did...)

Not all of Gotham ... just that little street corner that the whole movie takes place on.

But by far the most threatning and scary thing Burton's Joker did was dance and shake his ass to a whole track full of Prince songs ... THAT'S threatning.

In fact, Burton's brilliant Batman actually did the most damage. I mean the genious BLOWS UP a CHEMICAL FACTORY. THAT'S threatning. That action would kill more people than ANYTHING the Joker did in the movie.

Penguin planned to drown children, which is morally FAR more threatening.

Yeah, but it wasn't visually seen on screen as threatning. We didn't see him kidnapping kids, or them screaming or anything. And in the end we got robotic looking penguins with missle launchers on their back. WOW, SCARY ... hahahaha
And though the execution of the idea wasn't great, Riddler violated a trust of humanity and read minds. That's threatening as well...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...Clearly, as the other poster may refuse to point out the flaws in the Burton films, you seem to be the same for Begins.

What I was arguing wasn't a flaw in BEGINS. And I had already stated there are flaws in BEGINS, this not being one of them. And even then, BEGINS has the least amount of flaws out of ANY of the Batman movies. True story, flounder.

Who the hell's the hypocrit NOW?

You, trying to engage me by making insults. And even then, you suck at those.

Or were you not aware of the whole Burtonite/Nolanite thing.

NOTE: I agree with Keyser; I'm a Batmanite first and always

The hell are you talking about?

We only got one film so far "chief" don't sing the franchises praises just yet...

Oh so you adopted the use of the word "chief", heh they flounder ... swagger jacking me, but that's okay. Maybe you'll develop your own personality one day.

It's one movie, and even so it's great and it's developed a HUGE following. Not to mention based off the limited amount we've seen already, TDK looks to be even better. Future's looking cloudy for Burton groupies. Get your umbrellas out, fellas.

Plus the "some" he was referring to is now clearly you, because rather than ignore the faults of Begins like a normal Nolanite, you're doing one worse, and convincing yourself that the faults are actually strengths.

When were we talking about multiple faults? LOL ... we were talking about whether or not Scarecrow could be considered a good villain or not. And in his Burton groupie status, he said he shouldn't even be on the list. Where you started bringing up me ignoring faults of BEGINS, I have no idea ... because they weren't even being brought up. And even so, I admitted to it having faults. But the issues had with the movie, are really minor compared to the other films. It is just that damn good.

EVERY Bat-Film has it's faults.

Some more than others.

End of discussion, no way around it. Don't be naive and manipulate yourself into thinking Begins is perfect.

Read to me where I said BEGINS was perfect. Go ahead, flounder ...

I'm waiting.

God, how old ARE you???

LOL, you really are intent on trying to talk to me aren't you? I knew you had a crush.

BTW, I'm not giving you personal info. I don't swing that way. So please, don't ask for my phone number next.

Ah, one final jab at him, huh?

It matters to you, why?

Oh, I forgot ... CAP LOCK CRUSADER in for the rescue.

Hahahahahahahahahahaahaha .... hahahahaha

What're you even doing here anyway?[/quote]
Why do you care, buddy. Please, stop being an internet stalker.

Because if you're just here to say "BATMAN BEGINS IS GOLD, and anyone who likes Burton SUX..." You can just leave now...

No where did I say this. In fact, you once again don't get the reason for the argument between me and ANOTHER party. He bashed BEGINS, but I don't hear a peep out of you. You only try to get ME to acknowledge you. Cute, but please ... Lay off.

But yes, for all intensive purposes, BEGINS is GOLD. It was a huge hit, and watch TDK be even greater. #1 in terms of Batman movies in the hearts of movie critics. But yeah, they're probably wrong, right? **** outta here, flounder.

CFE

~ JFK

 

[CFE]

I was making constructive observations...

You poked fun at my username like a 6th grade bully...

I wasn't going to make a pre-mature value judgment, but you've obviously felt the need to take it upon yourself to let me know just how much of a dumbass you are...

CFE

 

[Darkest Knight]

I wasn't going to make a pre-mature value judgment...

But you've obviously felt the need to take it upon yourself to let me know just how much of a dumbass you are...

Hahaha ... someone's mad!!!

 

[Darkest Knight]

COMICFILMEXPERT getting bullied? haha, I wasn't even talking to you and you felt the urgent need to talk to me. Then you sling insults around, but obviously you can try and dish it ... but certainly can't take it.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Wow.......some long ol' replies in this thread.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I was making constructive observations...

You poked fun at my username like a 6th grade bully...

I wasn't going to make a pre-mature value judgment, but you've obviously felt the need to take it upon yourself to let me know just how much of a dumbass you are...

CFE

You actually read all that....lol

No offense to DK, I'll get around to reading it later

 

[CFE]

Just because I don't immediately respond to your idiotic insults means I can't take them?

God I can see it now; you're jumping around beating your chest like an ape because you think you're king of an online argument

CFE