F'dup Chapters in American History(The Trump Years) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 29

[DeadPresident]

Human beings overall will instinctually vote for whatever benefits them the most, perceived or real. If Warren and Yang are serious about the college debt cancellation/UBI respectively it's the best way to get voters on board.

If they get enough air time they'll easily surpass fossils like Bernie (all due respect to him for his contributions historically, the guy is a national treasure - but it's time to bow out) who are ranting and raving, or glib establishment types like Biden who will get stomped by Trump because they're effectively carbon copies of Hillary.

As a wise man once said: "It's the economy, stupid". Any candidate that builds their platform on actual economic policies that benefit Joe Soap, and they can articulate in a way the public will latch onto, is the best opponent to Trump.

 

[moviedoors]

I guess this is a liberal thing. Conservatives see an uneducated white dude with style who believes what they believe, and they're like.... "cool!" Liberals seem to need someone with two doctorates, 2 dogs, a solid family, a history of charity work, 30 years of experience.. without any bad choices ever made...

This bugs me. You are downplaying legitimate issues people have with someone like Joe Biden. I don't have "purity tests" problems with Joe Biden, I have serious, specific problems with him and I think he will lose against Trump. I'm officially over this "liberals eat their own" meme. It has long since lived passed being a useful idea and now gets thrown at anyone that isn't enthusiastic about basically anyone that's a Democrat. Yes, I'll do what I have to come election day. But this is primary season and stuff like this recent "Unity Pledge" are not helping.

Yes, Republicans seem more willing to rally around an objectively terrible person if they put on the "R" badge. So? That's not a good thing; the left, and liberals, and Democrats should celebrate that they are willing to hold their own to a higher standard.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This bugs me. You are downplaying legitimate issues people have with someone like Joe Biden. I don't have "purity tests" problems with Joe Biden, I have serious, specific problems with him and I think he will lose against Trump. I'm officially over this "liberals eat their own" meme. It has long since lived passed being a useful idea and now gets thrown at anyone that isn't enthusiastic about basically anyone that's a Democrat. Yes, I'll do what I have to come election day. But this is primary season and stuff like this recent "Unity Pledge" are not helping.

Yes, Republicans seem more willing to rally around an objectively terrible person if they put on the "R" badge. So? That's not a good thing; the left, and liberals, and Democrats should celebrate that they are willing to hold their own to a higher standard.

The liberals eat their own **** is the attempt to get the left in line with voting center right. You don't hear it from the actual left. You get it from those that are cool with the status quo.

 

[MaceB]

This bugs me. You are downplaying legitimate issues people have with someone like Joe Biden. I don't have "purity tests" problems with Joe Biden, I have serious, specific problems with him and I think he will lose against Trump. I'm officially over this "liberals eat their own" meme. It has long since lived passed being a useful idea and now gets thrown at anyone that isn't enthusiastic about basically anyone that's a Democrat. Yes, I'll do what I have to come election day. But this is primary season and stuff like this recent "Unity Pledge" are not helping.

Yes, Republicans seem more willing to rally around an objectively terrible person if they put on the "R" badge. So? That's not a good thing; the left, and liberals, and Democrats should celebrate that they are willing to hold their own to a higher standard.

I'd suggest that you'd have policy disagreements with anyone who served in the senate for 30 years. There's a case to be made for incremental improvements. Biden would be a step up from what we have and would most likely be an advancement of the Obama agenda. Everything you want? No. But that doesn't make him a bad candidate.

I want to win. The consequences are big. The perfect doesn't need to be the enemy of the good.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'd suggest that you'd have policy disagreements with anyone who served in the senate for 30 years. There's a case to be made for incremental improvements. Biden would be a step up from what we have and would most likely be an advancement of the Obama agenda. Everything you want? No. But that doesn't make him a bad candidate.

I want to win. The consequences are big. The perfect doesn't need to be the enemy of the good.

This is exactly how we got Trump.

 

[MaceB]

There's basically many reasons we got Trump. I can provide the same scenario and say that it was liberal protest votes that gave us Trump. You could say that for a lot of things.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

There's basically many reasons we got Trump. I can provide the same scenario and say that it was liberal protest votes that gave us Trump. You could say that for a lot of things.

Which would be exactly why putting up Biden is such a dumb idea. Telling people that actually want quality progression to settle for the same old BS is asking to be hurt. Especially when you see how popular so many of their policies are.

 

[MaceB]

I'm just saying keep your options open, and you get in a tizzy about it. The only one demanding fealty to a certain group is you. I'm willing to appreciate almost all of our hopefuls, cause they are all good, including Biden. If Biden is the most likely candidate to win, then I'm all for it. I think he'd be a fine president, in line historically with others.

I can appreciate that you want a more progressive voice. I really don't blame you dude. You're right to fight for the candidates that you think best suit your vision. It's very possible that it's Bernie's time, and that's amazing. I think Warren has done an outstanding start to her campaign right now. Advocate for whoever you want. But tearing down a potential general election candidate is short sighted. I could just as easily say THAT is what gave us Trump.

 

[MaceB]

You know what... my apologies. I really don't want to be snarky. S8E3 of GOT has gotten me on edge a bit.

Suffice it to say, I just want the candidate with the best chance to win to become the candidate. Whatever form that takes. I hope a true progressive breaks through, and I'd be against any efforts on behalf of the DNC to silence any candidate like they did last time.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm just saying keep your options open, and you get in a tizzy about it. The only one demanding fealty to a certain group is you. I'm willing to appreciate almost all of our hopefuls, cause they are all good, including Biden. If Biden is the most likely candidate to win, then I'm all for it. I think he'd be a fine president, in line historically with others.

I can appreciate that you want a more progressive voice. I really don't blame you dude. You're right to fight for the candidates that you think best suit your vision. It's very possible that it's Bernie's time, and that's amazing. I think Warren has done an outstanding start to her campaign right now. Advocate for whoever you want. But tearing down a potential general election candidate is short sighted. I could just as easily say THAT is what gave us Trump.

You are not asking people to keep their options open. You react poorly anytime someone criticizes a candidate, especially Biden. As if we need to be a monolith, that just accepts what is thrown our way. And if we don't, we are acting like petulant children. If a candidate can't stand having their own choices held up to scrutiny, then maybe they shouldn't be running.

The Democratic party can do what they want, and voters can vote as they like as well. If the Democratic party thinks they are going to be win by trying to keep the party closer to the right, they are asking for to be rejected by progressives and thus the younger voters they need to win. I am watching people try to justify Biden's bid as if those who decided it was fine to vote for a racist, sexist piece of trash are the key to victory in 2020 You know, even after a progressive blue wave last November.

 

[Lighthouse]

Considering how easy it is to grift conservatives, Jacob Wohl is terrible at it. Maybe I'm wrong, and he's a true believer whose just that stupid.

 

[Lighthouse]

Also, it's the very definition of rich white privilege that Wohl isn't behind bars right now.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Also, it's the very definition of rich white privilege that Wohl isn't behind bars right now.

Seriously, what the ****?

 

[Schlosser85]

Didn’t this guy get utterly debunked and destroyed? How the **** is he still a thing?

He used his mom’s phone number on his company page and used a pic of Christoph Waltz for his chief financial officer.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Trump team sues Detsche Bank and Capital One to keep them from turning over financial records to Congress - CNNPolitics

The Trump blockade of subpoenas and oversight continues.

 

[Lighthouse]

Republicans have shown they don't care about obstruction of justice, so why not do it openly now?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Didn’t this guy get utterly debunked and destroyed? How the **** is he still a thing?

He used his mom’s phone number on his company page and used a pic of Christoph Waltz for his chief financial officer.

This is at least like incident 3. It's insanity.

 

[Teelie]

Didn’t this guy get utterly debunked and destroyed? How the **** is he still a thing?

He used his mom’s phone number on his company page and used a pic of Christoph Waltz for his chief financial officer.

He isn't a thing. Except when he makes a spectacular failure at trying to become a thing. Now his thing is being so incompetent his attempts are noteworthy.

 

[Schlosser85]

He isn't a thing. Except when he makes a spectacular failure at trying to become a thing. Now his thing is being so incompetent his attempts are noteworthy.

Isn’t it illegal to just continuously try to hire people to say so and so sexually assaulted them?

 

[Teelie]

It is I think depending on how you do it. Filing a false police report? Definitely a crime. Claiming it without actually going through the legal process is slander and/or libel but you still have to prove that and it's easier to ignore or dismiss it than drag it out in the courts over however many years that would take. And it would be expensive.

Everyone know this guy is full of **** and transparently paying people to make up false claims so it isn't worth the time or money to prove what everyone already knows.

 

[Sithborg]

Erik Prince really, really wants to send his mercenaries somewhere.

Blackwater founder's plan for mercenaries in Venezuela: Report

 

[Donner]

I love their facial expressions. Says it all.

 

[MaceB]

You are not asking people to keep their options open. You react poorly anytime someone criticizes a candidate, especially Biden. As if we need to be a monolith, that just accepts what is thrown our way. And if we don't, we are acting like petulant children. If a candidate can't stand having their own choices held up to scrutiny, then maybe they shouldn't be running.

The Democratic party can do what they want, and voters can vote as they like as well. If the Democratic party thinks they are going to be win by trying to keep the party closer to the right, they are asking for to be rejected by progressives and thus the younger voters they need to win. I am watching people try to justify Biden's bid as if those who decided it was fine to vote for a racist, sexist piece of trash are the key to victory in 2020 You know, even after a progressive blue wave last November.

Haha, okay man. Whatever. I'm just asking you to not trash a candidate that agrees with you on 75% of policy issues, because they could win the primary. You seem to be very insistent that Dems cater to Millennials, but refuse the idea that Millennials might need to bite the bullet and compromise... like basically every single voting block has done since the beginning of time. Maybe it'll go your way, but you are doing no one any favors by making moderates into unacceptable choices. Moderate candidates are what got us here so far. You want a more progressive option? I feel for you. But why you feel the need to attack candidates that are mostly on your side... I dunno. It's not helpful.

I'm not attacking Bernie or Buttigeg or anyone else. Point of fact, I've been very honest that my first instinct was Biden, but right now I'm really disappointed in how he's running his campaign. I'm keeping my options open. And you just can't seem to handle that. If the Democratic voters choose a moderate voice, then I hope you are prepared to suck it up, and vote the lesser of two evils. Does that suck? Yeah. It's also the way it's always been. If you want a third party (which I think would be a good thing) then you're gonna have to join league with folks to fight for that outside of election season... cause it's not happening now.

I'm not demanding that anyone be a monolith. I'm only saying that liberals like to purity test their candidates, and it's not helpful. It's the kind of thing that made a lot of millennials protest vote against Hillary, which was one of the most dumb and selfish things they could have done. Hillary would have been a good President. Biden will be a good President. Warren, Booker, Harris... all good candidates. You can prefer a candidate while not tearing down the others.

I'm not saying that you can't object to Biden's policy choices. But I'll say again.. it seems very likely that you'd have policy disputes with nearly any long term senator. This is why it's often more difficult for senators to become president than governors. So, I guess I'd ask you to keep it in perspective. To not burn bridges. But you seem to be on some kind of mission, so....

 

[Lighthouse]

I love their facial expressions. Says it all.

He served them cold fast food too.

 

[Lighthouse]

This thread is fascinating.