The Dark Knight Rises Fighting Studio Corruption

[chaseter]

There is a difference between appealing to the batman fans, and appealing to everyone, including the batman fans.

You can never please hardcore fans...they will always gripe even if the movie wins every Academy Award and makes 1 billion dollars.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Nolan will walk the minute they give him "notes" ...

 

[The Major]

They can make some suggestions and hopefully Nolan will find a way to make it all cool and badass as usual t:

Nolan doesn't need them for that.

 

[The Major]

IMO at this point DC has never made a bad comic book film, Marvel has made many bad films.

Catwoman, Steel, Batman and Robin.

 

[The Major]

The fact that there's a good chance that Joker won't return as well as Two-Face will tempt WB to hinder Nolan's process. The fact that Riddler will be the villain will tempt them... because he's nowhere as dramatic and chaotic as Joker, and WB will be sure to try and step in and help as much as possible.

You don't know either for certain.

The Joker, Two-Face and Riddler could all be in the sequel or not used at all.

Only Nolan knows for sure and he might not want to make a decision like that until he's had a break from Batman to do some other movie.

It's useless to speculate.

I'm not worried what villains he puts in the third movie. Whoever they are is in good hands.

 

[zenith16]

lol after the saw movies it's not that hard to make Riddler more dangerous then the villain of that movie. Seeing half of that character took some elements from riddler to a degree. it's doable to have Riddler in this.

 

[The Major]

Yup...that is a reason why fans should not be allowed to interfer with the directors...

Depends on the director and what they want to do.

The fans had a better idea with the franchises then Schumacher or Pitof with their movies.

 

[The Major]

lol after the saw movies it's not that hard to make Riddler more dangerous then the villain of that movie. Seeing half of that character took some elements from riddler to a degree. it's doable to have Riddler in this.

Nolan wouldn't need to copy Saw to make Riddler a good villain.

 

[zenith16]

what Iwas saying there is that he'd make riddler better then the saw character not copy. sheesh pay a attention LOl

 

[The Major]

what Iwas saying there is that he'd make riddler better then the saw character not copy. sheesh pay a attention LOl

That's only one direction they could take with him.

With Nolan he could do anything with Riddler and make it work.

 

[The Major]

Corruption is the wrong word. Corporate corruption would be something like falsifying records which is what Enron did. The correct word you're looking for is greed.

Agreed.

But you're claiming this is "corruption." I don't think every business decision can be equated to corporate greed or corruption. This type of thinking is reflective of the philistine who chants that gov and corporations are corrupt just by their very existence.

It's more like short term incompetence.

I don't understand this either. When was Batman ever intended to be a R rated film? You make it sound like the studio planned on an R rated Batman and then green lighted films that moved away from this and towards a PG 13 rating.

Batman can be very, very dark. More so then Nolan's version.

I don't understand how creating a film that appeals to a wider audience is "studio corruption?"

This is how studio's kill franchises. Its why most film franchise never get past three even if they have more potential.

You haven't given any legitimate reasons why you think there will be studio "corruption" in the third film. First its a misnomer and the wrong word for the point you are trying to make. Second you haven't provided the basis for why you think WB will interfere. Studios interfere when a film fails to meet financial expectations (Batman Returns) or there's creative differences (Spiderman 3). I don't see any evidence of that with the case of Nolan's films and you haven't provided any. Rather you're using baseless conjecture to support a nonsensical argument and even worse you are claiming you "guarantee" it.

It's become a Hollywood cliche at this point, that's why.

WB has screwed up Batman once, too. Heck, they did the same to Superman and numerous other comic adaptions who didn't get past their first movies.

They see the bottom line instead of trying to understand why a franchise works which in turn kills the bottom line in the end.

It's why they never got a third successful long term DC franchise.

 

[David Rice]

Catwoman, Steel, Batman and Robin.

Steel, Batman and Robin, Catwoman, Superman 4, Swamp Thing movies. They have made plenty of bad films.

I knew I should have put "since Batman Begins" after that.

And don't forget Batman Forever, but I really don't look at those old films anymore.

 

[David Rice]

You don't know either for certain.

The Joker, Two-Face and Riddler could all be in the sequel or not used at all.

Only Nolan knows for sure and he might not want to make a decision like that until he's had a break from Batman to do some other movie.

It's useless to speculate.

I'm not worried what villains he puts in the third movie. Whoever they are is in good hands.

True, but it's not useless to speculate. It's fun!

Nolan wouldn't need to copy Saw to make Riddler a good villain.

Thank you.

 

[The Major]

I knew I should have put "since Batman Begins" after that.

They are improving. Which is great. But they must never, ever forget their past mistakes.

They must learn from their rivals mistakes, too.

And don't forget Batman Forever, but I really don't look at those old films anymore.

It's very dated.

Much better then Batman and Robin, though.

 

[The Major]

True, but it's not useless to speculate. It's fun!

True.

 

[David Rice]

They are improving. Which is great. But they must never, ever forget their past mistakes.

They must learn from their rivals mistakes, too.

It's very dated.

Much better then Batman and Robin, though.

I agree, and I think they have.

 

[The Major]

I hope you are right, David.

 

[The Major]

Sony and Arad forcing Raimi to add in Venom was smart business. It made that movie break records.

Not really.

How many people saw it just for Venom? I doubt most of the audience did. The general public probably didn't care whether he was in it or not.

It was the previous movies good reputations plus the stars plus Spider-man himself which had a bigger reason for that. They'd have broken records any way.

Blade Trinity and X3 had the same situation.

Without Venom they would have had a better movie which could have made it even more profitable then it was.

 

[The Major]

Well the best way to keep the quality from going down, IMO, would be for whomever comes in to NOT try to re-hash Nolan's take.

They should never rehash. They need to expand organically from Nolan's continuity IMO.

I say this all the time, but the best way to go about doing comic book adaptations would be for each director to do their own thing...much like how different writer/artists teams do story arcs and then another team continues with another arc.

Agreed.

I do think there needs to be a similar tone, though. Burton to Schumacher's movies never did look like they were in the same universe. They could with a director similar in tone to Nolan who just does things their own way. That's why I like Fincher. He does realistic, intelligent movies, is very creative and his style would naturally mix with Nolan's so its not jarring.

This was done well with Norrington and del Toro in Blade.

Exactly like a comic book, y'know?

Agreed.

Whomever takes on Batman post-Nolan needs to do their own thing...not attempt continuing Nolan's vision.

CFE

They need some connection to Nolan's vision just not be confined to it.

 

[Kargo Warrior]

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[zenith16]

Nolan wouldn't need to copy Saw to make Riddler a good villain.

Maybe so, But since he chooses themes and the Riddler is an obvious chose to let the dark knight Explore his detective skills, The saw root or some thing similar is likely. as I said riddler imspired that and not the other way around, they(saw creators) wb to just beat wb to putting on screen.

why else choose Riddler if not to Explore the the detective side of the ark knight? that would ne the reason I choose Riddler. even if I wasn't thinking about saw. that's the reason I choose him.

 

[Kargo Warrior]

Not really.

How many people saw it just for Venom? I doubt most of the audience did. The general public probably didn't care whether he was in it or not.

It was the previous movies good reputations plus the stars plus Spider-man himself which had a bigger reason for that. They'd have broken records any way.

Blade Trinity and X3 had the same situation.

Without Venom they would have had a better movie which could have made it even more profitable then it was.

Completelly agreed...SM3 and TDK opened similarly in the USA but compare TDK's legs with SM3's....a prime example of quality vs. quantity.

I have had a complete trust in Nolan since the end of my first viewing of Batman Begins but it was his refusal to delete/edit any of Heath's scenes and keep his performance intact despite the circumstances and the presure that speaks volumes of his integrity as a director.

 

[The Major]

may be so but since he choose's themes and the riddler is an obviouschose to let the dark knight Explore his detective skill the saw root or some thing simlar is likely. why else chose riddler if not to Explore the the detective side of the ark knight

That's for Nolan to decide.

I'd prefer someone like Bane or Talia, myself.

Whatever he does I'm sure it'll be a great movie.

 

[zenith16]

LOL yo major have you gone mad. Nolan chose all of the other characters he wanted in and your saying that's not for him to dicide????? LOL And you know he'll choose all the people that showed up before bane and do what he wants. I can't believe you bane.

 

[Kargo Warrior]

LOL yo major have you gone mad. Nolan chose all of the other characters he wanted in and your saying that's not for him to dicide????? LOL And you know he'll choose all the people that showed up before bane and do what he wants. I can't believe you bane.

You should re-read his post again