Justice League First Justice League movie. Which threat and which way to unite the members!

[Mightyally]

Thx pal. Yeah it´s the GL thang. I feel like the GL movie was bad enough for us to never wanna see Hal again. I want J.S. Does that have to with the fact that he in JL cartoon series? No! Okay yes a little

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I am fond of using the CSA as the reason that the DCCU JL get's together. It would be something not really seen on the big screen in a big tentpole action adventure film, the "MIRROR, MIRROR" evil duplicate trope and all. It also would introduce the audience to a cornerstone concept of the DC universe, that of the multiverse. That could lead to possibilities down the road for many future projects. Basically you have the CSA established as the reason their own world is dying (resource depletion, conflict with other villains on their earth, ect.) and now they plan to take over another world and leave theirs to die. That's more than a big enough collection of power to warrant Superman, or whom ever to bring our heroes together. Plus, since the CSA is made up of "evil twins" it helps to define the Justice Leaguers all the more. You get to do things like contrast Power Ring's cowardly nature against Hal Jordan's fearlessness (just as an example.) Plus the action that you could pull off with that group against the League on the big screen would be amazing. I think the JL:Crisis on Two Earths DTV is a pretty good capabilities presentation for such an idea, as it were.

 

[Lantern Venom]

I like that idea. I also like the idea of using Wally over Barry in the Justice League. Actually either one would be fine, it just depends on who you pick for the Green Lantern.

The chances of that are next to zero now that Barry is coming to TV. I like Wally, too, but DC seems pretty set on their Big 5 being Supes, Bats, Wondy, Barry, and Hal.

Thx pal. Yeah it´s the GL thang. I feel like the GL movie was bad enough for us to never wanna see Hal again. I want J.S. Does that have to with the fact that he in JL cartoon series? No! Okay yes a little

A character with as much mythos as Jordan will never been defined by a single incarnation. He's still, by far, the most recognizable GL. DC's still promoting the daylights out of him. While it's my personal wish to see Kyle Rayner, I doubt WB goes with anyone but the big guns for this one.

 

[cleverusername8]

Invasion from the inside you say? White Martians anyone? That seems to be a popular villain suggestion anyway since they've been used in JL origins before (well not really an origin per se, but a first issue for sure).

But in terms of an Earthly threat, I think I'd prefer Brother Eye/OMACs. Since it's going to be Batman vs Superman rather than Bats & Supes, who's to say that they'll patch it up by the end of the movie? What if Batman's resentment only grows and he begins work on the Brother Eye tech in an after credits scene where the Flash, Wonder Woman, and/or Aquaman are revealed to the world? Then we could (hopefully) get a solo movie to tell at least Wonder Woman and Flash's stories before leading into the JL movie where Brother Eye becomes sentient and begins creating OMACs which in turn attack super people as well as regular folks causing Batman to regret his decision and join with the heroes to take out Eye and his cyborg OMAC army.

Perfect plot for multiple reasons: allows Batman to be a major player and attract the crowds, contains a non-alien and technically non-invasion threat that affects and involves regular citizens directly, creates opportunity for conflict within the team to make the dynamic more interesting, have a fairly unique hero-is-the-villain-turned-ally story, has lots of opportunity for cameos from other superheroes who may be pursued by OMACs - I'm thinking Revenge of the Sith Jedi death type montage where we at least get to see a few faces.

I would leave the whole Maxwell Lord piece out of it and thus stray from JL: Mortal for that instance. The climax of that movie sounded awful and I hope it has no bearing on the final product.

 

[Mightyally]

I am fond of using the CSA as the reason that the DCCU JL get's together. It would be something not really seen on the big screen in a big tentpole action adventure film, the "MIRROR, MIRROR" evil duplicate trope and all. It also would introduce the audience to a cornerstone concept of the DC universe, that of the multiverse. That could lead to possibilities down the road for many future projects. Basically you have the CSA established as the reason their own world is dying (resource depletion, conflict with other villains on their earth, ect.) and now they plan to take over another world and leave theirs to die. That's more than a big enough collection of power to warrant Superman, or whom ever to bring our heroes together. Plus, since the CSA is made up of "evil twins" it helps to define the Justice Leaguers all the more. You get to do things like contrast Power Ring's cowardly nature against Hal Jordan's fearlessness (just as an example.) Plus the action that you could pull off with that group against the League on the big screen would be amazing. I think the JL:Crisis on Two Earths DTV is a pretty good capabilities presentation for such an idea, as it were.

I loved everything about that post. I always try to give pros and cons so I must leave at least some -/concern.

It might be tricky to make such a thing becuase we often need to see MoS v1 and v2 at the same time. I am thinking about the fighting scenes. Can they combine CGI with the double acting thing?
Also, the looks must be carefully done. It´s gonna take some really good acting and a really good script making us believe it 100%. We especially need a good reason for why the CSA members are so different than ours.

The chances of that are next to zero now that Barry is coming to TV. I like Wally, too, but DC seems pretty set on their Big 5 being Supes, Bats, Wondy, Barry, and Hal.


A character with as much mythos as Jordan will never been defined by a single incarnation. He's still, by far, the most recognizable GL. DC's still promoting the daylights out of him. While it's my personal wish to see Kyle Rayner, I doubt WB goes with anyone but the big guns for this one.

1. Are you talking about Flash in Arrow? If you are then I must say that has nothing to do with the JL movie. They had Bart in Smallville, but it has no impact imo. Why are WB set on having Hal and Barry more exactly?

2. Yeah you are right. My opinion about Hal isn´t fair. He can be rebooted ofc. Remember tho, he is not Batman or Supes. It doesn´t really matter that Hal is the more recognizable GL. He is not generally famous enough for that to really matter. It´s not like people are going to be mad if J.S is GL because Hal was more famous. That´s all I am saying.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

WB would be more inclined to use Barry and Hal because beginning in the late 00's WB began to rebrand their DC property.

In 2009, they had returned all the Silver-Age heroes to the forefront of the DCU again in all marketing and DC Comics (though Aquaman was marketed he would not return until 2010) and all DC adaptations were rebranded as DC Entertainment.

The rebrand was complete with the cancellation and relauch of every title under the "New 52" initiative which relegated, or removed characters.

 

[Mightyally]

Alright! I hope for Wally because of J.S and I honestly think Wally is the better one to choose from what I have learned so far. Obviously you guys know more about WB than I
so can´t really say anything that´s more than my opinion which isn´t factual so. However, I don´t mind getting Barry anyways so. Let´s not talk about Flash tho.

Someone that knows his Justice League,

I have heard aliens, gods(ares), more aliens, Crime syndicate of America etc. No one has ever brought up the magic branch of villians.
Do you know any bad ass sorcerer?

 

[cleverusername8]

Felix Faust? Circe? Brother Blood? Black Adam?

I'm just throwing magical villains out there. I know Blood is typically a Teen Titans enemy so probably not fit for JL. Though if JL Dark really turns out to be a thing, I think regular JL will probably stay away from straying too far into magic and keep it mostly sci-fi.

 

[Binker]

Darkseid.

Utilize all versions of Darkseid in this version to unite the team: Darkseid has the Dark Side Club, which has connections to mysterious murders which grabs the attentions of Daily Planet reporters Clark Kent and Lois Lane, Batman, and Police Scientist Barry Allen/The Flash to investigate. Because he is an intergalactic tyrant foreseen to accomplish enslaving Earth unless they intervene; Oa sends Green Lantern. And because Darkseid presence is giving evil, almost supernatural senses/feelings; Diana feels them, and maybe even Aquaman too, and fearing death she/they go. Once all of them arrive at the source of it all (at first), all of the characters meet, thus beginning our second act.

 

[Lantern Venom]

1. Are you talking about Flash in Arrow? If you are then I must say that has nothing to do with the JL movie. They had Bart in Smallville, but it has no impact imo. Why are WB set on having Hal and Barry more exactly?
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They'll want the most recognition. Over most of the last decade, DC has heavily promoted Barry and Hal.

Look at DC's projects over the last few years and in the near future:

Flash in Arrow, and maybe his own series = Barry
Flashpoint DVD = Barry, Hal

Justice League: Doom DVD- Hal, Barry

Target Promotion: Barry, Hal

Play Imaginative Alloy Figures: Hal, Barry

DC Direct New 52 Figures: Hal, Barry

GL: Emerald Knights DVD: Hal

GL: First Flight-Hal

GL: TAS= Hal

It's pretty obvious (due in no small part to the Geoff Johns effect) that Flash= Barry Allen and Green Lantern = Hal Jordan. That's how they have been presenting those two characters. I like Wally and John too, but they have only had a fraction of the exposure of their forerunners.

 

[Masone]

Darkseid.

Utilize all versions of Darkseid in this version to unite the team: Darkseid has the Dark Side Club, which has connections to mysterious murders which grabs the attentions of Daily Planet reporters Clark Kent and Lois Lane, Batman, and Police Scientist Barry Allen/The Flash to investigate. Because he is an intergalactic tyrant foreseen to accomplish enslaving Earth unless they intervene; Oa sends Green Lantern. And because Darkseid presence is giving evil, almost supernatural senses/feelings; Diana feels them, and maybe even Aquaman too, and fearing death she/they go. Once all of them arrive at the source of it all (at first), all of the characters meet, thus beginning our second act.

No Martian Manhunter?

As for the whole Hal/Berry thing, I think WB is going to want some diversity on the team, John Stewart fits the bill. A live action movie franchise is a whole different animal than the comics and animated movies.

I don't think he should be token either, Martian Manhunter should be on the team as well.

The one thing that could turn me in the other direction is if they get Bradley Cooper and Chris Pine for Barry and Hal. I think GL and Flash make an interesting team, I think Cooper/Pine would make an interesting team, and I want a GL/Flash teamup film post-Justice League.

But if they get someone like Will Smith for John Stewart, there's no way I'm even thinking about Hal Jordan, even if they could get Cooper and Pine.

 

[Binker]

No Martian Manhunter?

I think, regardless of Batman in MOS2, the team should be 5 members in JL, maybe 6 if its possible. Also, I didn't think of Martian Manhunter.

I did think of how to work in the new GL films, and the idea of a GL of 2814 in a shared universe regarding the events of MOS, though.

 

[Mightyally]

Yeah when I think about it, sorcery isn´t the way to go here Cleverusername.

I see thy point Scar!

Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and The Flash are going to be there. It´s GL, Aquaman, MMH or even Hawkgirl and Cyborg that´s up for speculation.

I too Mason, want MMH. He is awesome and so is Hawkgirl. The thing is that the alien thing might get a a little old. That´s why I prefer Aquaman or Cyborg.

I have said before (not in this thread) that I wouldn´t mind Wally as Flash and no Green Lantern at all in the first movie. So we could get like Aquaman as number 5 and a threat that´s nothing like Darkseid in the first movie. Then in the second we get Brainiac or DS. That would alert GL corps and J.S could come here because of his intergalactic duties.

A thing that´s possible with that, is to have Flash and him meeting in Flash 2 that takes place after JL 1 but before JL 2. That way we get some "extra" room for his introduction. I think it´s at least safe to say that if GL can´t have a movie, they´ll have to take some time making him good this time. Make sure we don´t get the same flop.

Buy hey, that´s just one mans opinion!

Ohh Blinker what do you think about saving DS for the third or second movie? He is kind of a big villain you would like to just pulls strings in JL 1 and appear later.

 

[Binker]

Ohh Blinker what do you think about saving DS for the third or second movie? He is kind of a big villain you would like to just pulls strings in JL 1 and appear later.

It's Binker.

I don't know, man. I have thought of villains when it came to the JL movies, and Darkseid felt right for Movie 1, then Movie 2 its Cadmus because the JL is established and you could talk about how people see the heroes as gods which influences Cadmus, then Move 3 is the Injustice/Secret Society and they could be revealed to be pulling the strings from Movie 2.

 

[Mightyally]

Ahh sorry about that!

For me he isn´t the JL 1 villain. I rather have someone from Earth somehow or something that strongly ties to each hero. I love the CSA idea atm. It´s either that or Ares.

A God of Earth versus the alien "God" of Krypton. it´s mainly because it´s a good way to introduce WW. Also he is bad ass.

Ares should have this powerful look and bad-ass voice like bane but even darker and cooler. Like he is angry when he talks.
Also, imagine him being 1.5 times superman in seize. I want to see him grab MoS showing him who is da God around here. Supes is also weak against magic so in terms of power, they might be closer but not in taking punches. I don´t want Clark to save the day somehow. I want to see batman brains and team effort combined to win over this guy.

A guy in the thread Gl Yay or Nay posted this link recently http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/08/18/the-dc-movie-reboot-time-warner-stock-needs.aspx
I don´t like it. They better step up and make some ass kicking seasons if they are going to use these guys in a JL movie. If that´s not their intention then they shouldn´t make a Flash series and then a Flash movie with a New Flash. That´s not good.

I say Flash series no thx. Leave Arrow alone. Too much that doesn´t add up. Same thang goes for Bale as Batman, that story has sailed away. Can´t properly be adapted imo, ofc. Also, Arrow has some hours of O.Q. We just gonna get 1 movie with Batman before JL? Omg bbq what are they planning to do, I fear the worst.

Don´t use series, use movies and new charachters. Jesus, why is WB doing this?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I loved everything about that post. I always try to give pros and cons so I must leave at least some -/concern.

It might be tricky to make such a thing becuase we often need to see MoS v1 and v2 at the same time. I am thinking about the fighting scenes. Can they combine CGI with the double acting thing?
Also, the looks must be carefully done. It´s gonna take some really good acting and a really good script making us believe it 100%. We especially need a good reason for why the CSA members are so different than ours.

Fair enough, sir/madam. Here are the 2 alternatives to how to realize this.

1. Yes, just go for the use of the same actor. It would save on the budget in some ways (Not getting someone to play opposite Cavil as Ultraman, just have Cavil do it. I think actor's love showy challenges. This qualifies as that.) While of course requiring perhaps a little more in the area of VFX, but probably not spectacularly so.

2. The more wild idea would be to get actors/actresses who are known to have played that heroes role before or heavy fan casted favorites, or those actors that were in the running for those roles in the past and get them to play the CSA. To clarify, imagine Cavil's Superman is flying to an emergency when he get's side swiped and crashes into the ground. He looks up from the crater he's in and looks up and it's Routh in the Ultraman costume? Get Fillion to play Power Ring, if they could convince him, how does a grizzled Owl-Man as played by Clooney sound? It's an out there idea I admit, but I also think it could work.

I'm not certain a deep background of these characters in a must. A perfunctory bit of exposition about the nature of multiple Earth's across the multiverse is all the audience would need. People know the "evil duplicate" trope pretty well by now. They will grasp the concept of what's happening.

 

[Masone]

One idea I had was to have a revenge story. In MOS and the MOS comic, wasn't it established that the Kryptonians explored the galaxy and took over planets? So it would go something like, the Kryptonians took over the planet and killed the indigenous species living on the planet. A group managed to escape, vowing to exact revenge on the Kryptonians. They created a weapon that was meant to bring about the extinction of the Kryptonians [this is where they could use Amazo]. It took them thousands of years to complete the weapon, but then it was too late, as Krypton had already been destroyed and all the Kryptonians on the outpost planets had long died.

Then they catch wind of the events in MOS. The last son of Krypton, living on planet Earth, now his home, humans, his people. So they come to Earth to exact revenge, kill off the indigenous species(humans) and make Kal watch(just as they had to as they escaped) and then kill him.

This can either be a Justice League movie or a MOS movie. I'm leaning towards Justice League since Amazo would be an amazing Justice League villain if done right. This would also be another invasion movie, but with a different twist.

Come to think of it, this sounds amazingly similar to the Tuffles. Can be great if they do it right.

 

[Antihero]

Take "The Secret Origins" from Justice League:Animated Series and adapt it into a movie.It would gross 1 billion easily

 

[Mightyally]

That one was awesome indeed! I have been thinking about it before. It´s not sure it would gross 1 billion tho, lol.

 

[cleverusername8]

They could use it as a template but don't leave it as is. The members came together way too quickly and with little explanation. Then the climax was fairly anticlimactic. I also didn't like how Batman was made out to be more than he is all through the series perpetuating the "Bat-god" thing. If they want to use the same villains and general premise, be my guest. However, taking it literally and trying to translate it on screen would be disappointing.

Also, the roster should be switched up a bit in my opinion.

 

[Mightyally]

Yes!

1.Ares
2.CSA
3.What he said ^

 

[Antihero]

They could use it as a template but don't leave it as is. The members came together way too quickly and with little explanation. Then the climax was fairly anticlimactic. I also didn't like how Batman was made out to be more than he is all through the series perpetuating the "Bat-god" thing. If they want to use the same villains and general premise, be my guest. However, taking it literally and trying to translate it on screen would be disappointing.

Also, the roster should be switched up a bit in my opinion.

I am not talking about an exact frame by frame copy.They could use the concept and improvise the ending.


Marvel Universe:
Step 1:Launch each superhero with a movie
Step 2:Unite them in Avengers

DC should follow something like this:
Step 1:Introduce the characters through Justice League
Step 2:Give separate movies for each character

 

[Mightyally]

Wb is doing it wrong.

Arrow series
MoS_____At this point: Ohh sucess. Let´s plan more superhero movies. We don´t have any? Let´s take the Arrow series and start a Flash series, because that´s possible.
MoS/Batman movie
Flash series
Flash movie
JL 1

Why not just make a Batman vs Superman and a Flash movie, forget about Arrow and Flash series and make JL and introduce WW, GL etc there?

Then, as you mentioned, make a WW movie or GL movie.

I get a little angry because I don´t like the TV series being involved in the movies. Not unless it was taken into considiration at the start of the series.
But why make a Flash series if he is also getting a movie? Are they using a new Flash or what? If they were making that series about Flash and are taking Green Arrow instead of one of the big 5,
why not give WW a movie? I mean Flash has his series, Green Arrow too, Supes and Batman are introduced. To make a WW movie is more logical.

I don´t get them.

 

[cleverusername8]

I am not talking about an exact frame by frame copy.They could use the concept and improvise the ending.


Marvel Universe:
Step 1:Launch each superhero with a movie
Step 2:Unite them in Avengers

DC should follow something like this:
Step 1:Introduce the characters through Justice League
Step 2:Give separate movies for each character

Actually, the DCAU did it Marvel's way for the most part.

There was Batman the Animated Series then Batman's New Animated Series which both share continuity with JL/JLU. Then Superman the Animated Series which had a crossover with Batman TAS and had one episode featuring the Flash. That's about it as far as I know, but they did do the solo series to set it up beforehand with two of the characters. And sadly we never got any solo spin-offs for the JLU characters because the DCAU essentially ended as we knew it after that show's conclusion.

What you propose will certainly work for the movies but that's not quite how it was done before. And there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[Mightyally]

I wonder how they´ll introduce Batman to MoS.

You think Lex could be responsible? He needs introduction and he is a good villain that can be used in JL as well. I think maybe he will be in this one like a teaser, and he will appear in JL or that he is the main villain. If the latter is the case then we won´t probably see him in JL but in MoS 3 or JL 2 or 3.

Don´t you think Lex is a char that has to be introduced early?