Fant4stic "Flame On!" The Human Torch Thread

[cronosred]

Well, BP and Luke Cage couldn't work as white characters because their entire being does in fact hinge on them being black. Blade, eh.

With creative writers Marvel could reboot/reimagine those properties easily enough if they wanted.

 

[Badfish40oz]

But why not really get creative with the casting? I propose the following options:

Invisible Woman - Rebel Wilson. Anyone who disagrees is Weightist.
Mr. Fantastic - Donald Sutherland. Anyone who disagrees is Ageist.
The Thing - Neil Patrick Harris. Anyone who disagrees is Homophobic.

That's still pretty archaic. Let's switch the actors playing Invisible Woman and The Thing. Think of the Reed/Susan(Stu?) Richards relationship with a Modern Family twist. Now we're in business!

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Female Thing? I can dig it.

 

[JP]

What a genius argument! Lets name names of actors who don't remotely share anything in common with certain characters as an excuse why another actor who in fact does is totally wrong because he's black!

 

[Project862006]

while i do like liam i am not 100% sold on him he looks like johnny but i am more sold on the chops of jordan who has shown tons of range

on a side note when he was a bit younger current arrow actor Stephen Amell would of been a good johnny storm

Spoiler

 

[Zarex]

What a genius argument! Lets name names of actors who don't remotely share anything in common with certain characters as an excuse why another actor who in fact does is totally wrong because he's black!

I named three exceptionally gifted actors who have the requisite skill to handle the parts I proposed for them. If you can come up with a reason not to cast Rebel, Donald and Neil, outside of physical appearance, I would love to hear it. But be warned - I might consider you to be Weightist, Ageist and Homophobic.

 

[Project862006]

for 1 rebel doesn't have sue's mature motherly,intelligent,strong willed personality she is brash loud and obnoxious and not in the least bit likeable

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

for 1 rebel doesn't have sue's mature motherly,intelligent,strong willed personality she is brash loud and obnoxious and not in the least bit likeable

So what you're saying is she'd make a great Thing*

 

[Project862006]

only of hank gets to slap her

 

[Zarex]

for 1 rebel doesn't have sue's mature motherly,intelligent,strong willed personality she is brash loud and obnoxious and not in the least bit likeable

Give her a chance! She's a much better actress than Jessica Alba.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Lol. I think she'd make a good Wasp. But a better Thing.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I have no problem with actors preferring a white Johnny Storm, but some of the arguments against Michael B. Jordan are among some of the stupidest posts I've ever seen on the Hype.

 

[Sawyer]

Yeah, the insta-retort of "Oh, well, lets just change Black Panther to a white guy too!" is pretty weak. It's like... do you really not see a difference between those two scenarios?

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I don't see any need to change Johnny from what he's been the entire time the character has existed, it's just a pointless thing to do when there are loads of actors out there that fit the bill.

From what I've seen, the director just likes working with him. It's not a race thing, but many people are making it into that. It's not like they're turning him into a black character for the sake of it (barring that the other potential names mentioned were there just to spin the story), but Trank feels he could play the role the best and it's easy to explain the change without sacrificing anything from what makes Johnny Storm Johnny Storm.

So he changes the color of his skin. What's being sacrificed? What's being lost in translation other than tradition? We're sill getting the same character with just a visual difference to his human self (and not even the most important visual aspect of the character).

Also, to me, unlike Superman, Batman, and others who's race has to do with the character in superhero clothing visually, Johnny Storm's distinct visual appearance is when he's on fire. Storm in civilian clothing I don't think is as distinct visually as say, Peter Parker or Clark Kent. His Human Torch self, to me, has always been more important.

I'm not saying all should like it or they're racist, but it's been shown that this isn't just token casting and others are in contention. I have a huge problem with some of the more exaggerative posts because they're just as bad as others shouting racist at other posters for simply having a preference. Not to mention saying stupid crap like "let's make Black Panther White" or "Lets's make Sue Storm Rebel Wilson" does not forward the discussion in the positive direction and I'd argue that saying thing's like that basically borders on trolling.

I think some posters take it too far and I find the extreme hatred for it too harsh because the character traits won't change, just his visual appearance so he can still represent the source material faithfully in terms of character, just not in terms of human appearance but once again, I don't think the Johnny part of the character is as important visually.

 

[Project862006]

Yeah, the insta-retort of "Oh, well, lets just change Black Panther to a white guy too!" is pretty weak. It's like... do you really not see a difference between those two scenarios?

whats worse is hype members have gone past comic characters and gone to historical figures like Malcolm x and martin Luther king lol

 

[bubbadoom]

Well, BP and Luke Cage couldn't work as white characters because their entire being does in fact hinge on them being black. Blade, eh.

As a character, I don't see where Black Panther HAD to be black. He's not called the Black Panther because of his skin color but because of the animal his people have built their religion around. Black Panthers are also found in India and South America, so he could just as easily have been Indian or South American Indian. Now he SHOULD be black because that is the way the character was designed to be.

Likewise, from looking at the first Falcon story arc in Captain America, it appears Falcon was originally intended to be Haitian or some other Island type, but Stan changed him to African-American during his scripting of the story. Again, he SHOULD be African-American because that's the way he's always been.

I don't have Luke Cage's origin issue handy, but I suspect that his story would have worked just as well had he been Latino, etc. But again, I want him to be true to his comic book roots.

 

[Paradox1]

As a character, I don't see where Black Panther HAD to be black. He's not called the Black Panther because of his skin color but because of the animal his people have built their religion around. Black Panthers are also found in India and South America, so he could just as easily have been Indian or South American Indian. Now he SHOULD be black because that is the way the character was designed to be.

Likewise, from looking at the first Falcon story arc in Captain America, it appears Falcon was originally intended to be Haitian or some other Island type, but Stan changed him to African-American during his scripting of the story. Again, he SHOULD be African-American because that's the way he's always been.

I don't have Luke Cage's origin issue handy, but I suspect that his story would have worked just as well had he been Latino, etc. But again, I want him to be true to his comic book roots.

That is not the same at all are you kidding me lol Black Panthers race and nationality are at the core of who he is lmao thats like making the Marian Manhunter a Kryptonian.. Luke Cage however could be a latino because there are a lot of Spanish speaking countries whose people have black skin so I have no idea where you going with that or that Falcon comment.

Just to make a point why is Superman always portrayed as white because he really is not white, hell he is not even human. The only real answer to that is ARTISTIC PREFERENCE. That is just how someone decided to draw him 75yrs ago where people at the time of different color and sex were discriminated against by the media at large to preserve the status quo.

So when some of you people say some of these idiotic things like "token black guy" or "pushing an agenda", hell I once saw a comment from someone saying "white people are more heroic to me" lmao but anyway this kinda message makes it seem like you would rather preserve this racially motivated agenda of keeping people who are not white men out of leading roles. Now like I said I don't these people who say such things are racist I think they are more oblivious to the prior media agenda.

 

[JP]

I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I have no problem with actors preferring a white Johnny Storm, but some of the arguments against Michael B. Jordan are among some of the stupidest posts I've ever seen on the Hype.

That's all I'm saying...

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The dude in noway has the role. It's just a rumor that could easily turn out to be B.S and the thread turns into this???

Makes me really depressed...

 

[747]

I'm glad he didn't outright deny it – there is still a chance!

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Honestly some of these posts surprise me. They read like people who don't understand the basics of human characteristics or modern times at all. Going into this thread is like taking a trip back in time.

Not to mention there's still yet to be one brilliant counter argument against Michael B. Jordan for Johnny that doesn't fall right back to the color of his skin.

If people were saying ''Oh, he's all wrong for Johnny, because he can't act, he's not attractive enough (and this type of **** is subjective to opinion so whatever this one shouldn't even be something I'm listing.), or he's not going to be able to pull off a brother/sister bond with Sue, he's not gonna be capable of flirting with women, etc, etc."

The situation would not be like this. It's because in place of that we have ''He doesn't look like the character."

Which is translation to he's ''black."

And you know how I know this?

Because we have suggestions like Liam Hemsworth was suggested up above, but he doesn't look much like Johnny beyond the being attractive thing.

So if all you guys want is an attractive guy who can act?

What's the problem with Michael B. Jordan that doesn't resort to him being black? Please enlighten me.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I think it's okay to change a race of a secondary character once the they are accurately portrayed in a good movie.

For the Fantastic Four a good movie hasn't occurred yet so we need to see a comic accurate Johnny Storm first before exploring non-accurate comic concepts.

 

[Project862006]

well chris evans portrayed johnny storm pretty faithfully tho i thought he was done justice

 

[Jennifer Walters]

well chris evans portrayed johnny storm pretty faithfully tho i thought he was done justice

Bingo. Chris Evans and Chikilis were the only things good about that movie.

 

[SuperFerret]

I think it's okay to change a race of a secondary character once the they are accurately portrayed in a good movie.

For the Fantastic Four a good movie hasn't occurred yet so we need to see a comic accurate Johnny Storm first before exploring non-accurate comic concepts.

Like how we got Sam Jackson after the wildly successful Hasselhoff Nick Fury franchise.




Unless we're considering the Ultimate comics as being comic accurate, which is just silly.