For those who consider themself a Democrat, are you concerned...

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if they were smart, theyd do john kerry president/barrack obama vice president.

i cant imagine them losing.

but I wouldnt be so quick to write off hilary.

1)everyone hates republicans riught now cause of bush. whichever canidate gets the democratic nomination is a near lock to win imho
2)shes a woman
3)bill clinton, despite really not being a good guy, is very popular. lots would vote for hilary just due to the thought of bill back in the white house,
4) she pushed for health care and got little support from the senate, but it seemed like A LOT of people began to take her seriously when nobody else did.


quite frankly, i dont think shed be that bad.

1. Do not generalize so much. That's the same logic alot of people used during the last election, and it didn't end up true.
2. Makes things worse. The few women that have tried running have not faired well.
3. Irrelevant. HC is famous enough on her own that assocation with her husband will only do so much.
4. She's also notorious for doing some things with healthcare in the 90s that people didn't like.

Sorry if I seem hostile, but I REALLY don't want to see Hillary get the nomination. It'd be a waste for someone who coasts mainly on name recognition.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I think she would do a descent job as President, but I also think she would never win. The republican party would be extremely energized to stop a woman from being president, and she has problems with her own base due to her support for the Iraq war.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I honestly just don't think he can pull it off. Then again...he is going to be a strong VP contender. Especially if a southerner like Warner takes the ticket. I think the VP nomination will be either Biden or Feingold. I have absolutely no doubt at all that Mark Warner will win the nomination.

I hope you are right. I really do.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I think she would do a descent job as President, but I also think she would never win. The republican party would be extremely energized to stop a woman from being president, and she has problems with her own base due to her support for the Iraq war.

They wouldn't be energized over Hillary being a woman. They would be energized to stop another Clinton from winning the White House.

And Hillary is a big fat fake! My state's senators really suck

 

[St. of Sinners]

Never would the Republicans allow a woman to become President. Ever.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Never would the Republicans allow a woman to become President. Ever.

I wouldn't be surprised if Condelezza Rice won the nomination for the Republicans.

Doesn't mean I would vote for her though.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I wouldn't be surprised if Condelezza Rice won the nomination for the Republicans.

Doesn't mean I would vote for her though.

Republicans are going to cater to their base. That means no women candidates, certainly no African American candidates. This will be a conservative ticket. That means it will have to appeal to those conservative christians they have been so successful with.

This is why I laugh when someone suggests Guliani would get nominated for anything. He is a northern, liberal and a divorcee. Yeah that is neocon material right there.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Republicans are going to cater to their base. That means no women candidates, certainly no African American candidates. This will be a conservative ticket. That means it will have to appeal to those conservative christians they have been so successful with.

This is why I laugh when someone suggests Guliani would get nominated for anything. He is a northern, liberal and a divorcee. Yeah that is neocon material right there.

The problem is that the Republicans will lose if they continue with what they got right now. I think that the leadership is at least smart enough to know that and choose a candidate that could win: Gulliani, McCain or even possibly Rice.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I wouldn't be surprised if Condelezza Rice won the nomination for the Republicans.

Doesn't mean I would vote for her though.

About 8 months ago a poll of Hillary vers Condi showed that 51% would vote for Hillary and less than 20% would vote for Condi and the rest wouldn't vote. If Condi were nominated not even half of the republican base would vote for her. Why not? no matter who they like and don't like, base voters always vote for their party. they arne't like swing voters or moderate voters. The only reason is, that a black female being president is inconsistent with their moral values or lack there of.

you guys nominating Condi would be a dream come true, but it's impossible.

 

[hippie_hunter]

About 8 months ago a poll of Hillary vers Condi showed that 51% would vote for Hillary and less than 20% would vote for Condi and the rest wouldn't vote. If Condi were nominated not even half of the republican base would vote for her. Why not? no matter who they like and don't like, base voters always vote for their party. they arne't like swing voters or moderate voters. The only reason is, that a black female being president is inconsistent with their moral values or lack there of.

you guys nominating Condi would be a dream come true, but it's impossible.

I honestly doubt that she would get the nomination. Too close to Bush. However, her candidacy would have the Republicans exploiting her saying that they're not racist or sexist and a black woman can be President (but not really mean it)

 

[ShadowBoxing]

The problem is that the Republicans will lose if they continue with what they got right now. I think that the leadership is at least smart enough to know that and choose a candidate that could win: Gulliani, McCain or even possibly Rice.

Well they do have candidates they think can win. Newt Gingrich, Huckabee, and Bill Frist are all much more consistent to the Republican ideals. Huckabee is probably the best choice. He is a likeable guy, lost 100 pounds, very goal oriented and is a Southerner.

Here is Huckabee (right)

 

[Spider-Bite]

Republicans are going to cater to their base. That means no women candidates, certainly no African American candidates. This will be a conservative ticket. That means it will have to appeal to those conservative christians they have been so successful with.

This is why I laugh when someone suggests Guliani would get nominated for anything. He is a northern, liberal and a divorcee. Yeah that is neocon material right there.

in the polls republicans are in favor of nominating Rudy over anybody else by a very wide margin. It's over twice that of second place McCain. What most voters don't know is that he's pro-gay marriage, and pro-choice. I commend him on the gay marriage position, but I myself want a 3 month time limit on abortions like yesterday! And I am a far left liberal. What I dont' understand is this.

A group of people are being so oppressed they aren't even allowed to be born. How is sticking up for their rights not Liberal? to me it's the liberal bleeding heart type of thing to do! I'm 100% pro-choice while it's an embryo. I believe there is absolutely nothing wrong with it or immoral about it whatsoever! Because it's nothing but a group of cells in an embryonic state of existence, with the ability to regrow missing body parts. But once it becomes a fetus, I call aborting it nothing short of murder!

any doctor can tell you they haven't heard of a single instance where aborting a fetus protected the health of the mother. If anything having the abortion puts the mother in more physical danger! I don't care if the woman was raped! 2 wrongs don't make a right. Bieng a victim of one crime doesn't give you the right to go and victimize somebody else. Yes of course that mother should get major help in every way from the government.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I honestly doubt that she would get the nomination. Too close to Bush. However, her candidacy would have the Republicans exploiting her saying that they're not racist or sexist and a black woman can be President (but not really mean it)

There in lies your problem. Your trying to show that the Republicans can be a progressive party and that is certainly not the image they want. Their current base is conservative and very Christian. The last thing they want to do is alienate them by showing how "progressive they can be".

You have a problem here. The Republicans have no need to convert progressives or liberals to their cause, or at least don't want to try to. Rudy, Mit Romney, Rice all represent something they are not as a party.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I honestly doubt that she would get the nomination. Too close to Bush. However, her candidacy would have the Republicans exploiting her saying that they're not racist or sexist and a black woman can be President (but not really mean it)

maybe someday. we never know about 20 years from now. I think 20 years from now being black wont matter for either party. I personally disaprove of Condi, but I really liked her predecessor Powell. He was a republican, and even though he's africa american, I could see him as a real contender. He could easily distance himself from Bush, and and he could easily take the swing voters. I think only a small minority of the republicans would even pay attention to the fact that he is black, because he's very light skinned, and they have known him for so long. And even clinton liked him.

 

[KingOfDreams]

I'm kind of concerned about that. I hope we pick a candidate that can actually win. I like Hillary but she won't win.

 

[Spider-Bite]

wouldn't it be something if she did win? I mean damn. two clintons.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

wouldn't it be something if she did win? I mean damn. two clintons.

Two Bushes

 

[ShadowBoxing]

McCain will never be run either. He comes in third in terms of potential candidates. He is not Christian enough. He is seen as liberal by his own party. His voting record puts him 8 points left of the political center. 40% of Republicans responded he was an "unacceptable" candidate for the Republican President, I could go on.

His opponenets will rip him apart like Bush did.

 

[St. of Sinners]

****, just a female President would be outstanding.

 

[KingOfDreams]

****, just a female President would be outstanding.

that it would...unless it was Condi

 

[ShadowBoxing]

that it would...unless it was Condi

I remotely sure she has a penis....of course so does Hilary.

 

[Spider-Bite]

McCain will never be run either. He comes in third in terms of potential candidates. He is not Christian enough. He is seen as liberal by his own party. His voting record puts him 8 points left of the political center. 40% of Republicans responded he was an "unacceptable" candidate for the Republican President, I could go on.

His opponenets will rip him apart like Bush did.

yeah but on the economy he still likes to help rich people

 

[NOFX]

I like Kathleen Sebelius more than Hilary imo! I think she should run for vice with Warner! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Sebelius

 

[ShadowBoxing]

yeah but on the economy he still likes to help rich people

No WAY!!!!

Conservative Republicans want a president who will give them more leeway in cutting taxes, civil liberties, and environmental regulations. Horrified by McCain's maverick personality and indiscreet rhetoric (including his insistence that Bush's tax plan gives back too much to the rich).

True he voted to extend the tax cuts, but this is all in a vain effort to bring himself back in with his own party. He is the ultimate flip flopper now and anyone who runs against him in the primaries will show him as a "Donkey in Elephant's clothing" (and a bad disguise at that).

 

[Spider-Bite]

that's true. he was against the tax cuts when they were passed, but now he's voting to extend the same tax cuts and his reasoning is that voting against extending it means voting in favor of higher taxes. that's nothing but wishy washy lame attempts to appeal to his base.