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For those who consider themself a Democrat, are you concerned...

I will be extremely happy if Gulliani becomes the next president. He's the man.
 
The only person that could ever tempt me to vote Democrat would be Obama. Honestly, I know next to nothing of his politics, but I have seen him in interviews and out-on-the-street meet'n'greets, and that man has got great charisma and seems like probably the most honest guy in the business.
 
roach said:
i wont vote for her......I had friends stationed at the White House that said she was very anti-military

you have friends stationed at the white house controlled by republicans who claim that Hillary is anti-military:confused: go figure
 
posted by Tangled Web
Yeah, I'm concerned. Al Gore or John Kerry would have a much better shot than Hillar Clinton.
Even another Bush could beat Hillary
That being said, I wouldn't mind if the Republicans put up John Mckain, he would be a good president imo.

Hillary would wipe the floor with Bush. It would be an extremely large victory. Most political analysts believe she would wipe the floor with his borther as well, but she would probably lose to almost anybody else. Kerry's chances would be equal, due to having lost last time. Gore would be unbeatable by anybody.
John McCain cares about winning and only winning. 2 weeks ago he said Bush did everything perfect for the war. He's doing it just right. the other day he said Bush mislead the country, and is running the war horribly.

I think a President with millitary experience is good because they know what it's like and will be less likely to go into a bad war.


You mean kind of like Bush? Serving in the military is irrelevant. There are people in the military who agree with Bush and disagree with Bush, just like people who weren't in the military.
 
imdaly said:
The only person that could ever tempt me to vote Democrat would be Obama. Honestly, I know next to nothing of his politics, but I have seen him in interviews and out-on-the-street meet'n'greets, and that man has got great charisma and seems like probably the most honest guy in the business.

He only has 2 years in the senate right now, so he can't run yet without getting slammed for lack of inexperience.

I'm not pyshcic but the way I see things coming, Hillary will win the nomination very easily. Guilliani, or McCain, but probably Rudy will win the nomination. We will have a republican president, and because of those two's moderate views they wont be able to energize their base of support for re-election. Rudy is actually supportive of gay marriage, something most people don't know. and he's pro-choice. but in polls he's far in the lead.

Obama will be president in 2012! He does have charisma. democrats love him to give speeches to help raise money for candidates. Even if he didn't run for re-election in the senate, he would still get reelected. That's how much the voters like him! Plus even though he's off to an early start, I think he has good policies so far!

He will be our first african american president, and after 12 years of republican dominance he will also probably have sky-high approval ratings!

GO OBAMA!
 
Spider-Bite said:
Hillary would wipe the floor with Bush. It would be an extremely large victory. Most political analysts believe she would wipe the floor with his borther as well, but she would probably lose to almost anybody else. Kerry's chances would be equal, due to having lost last time. Gore would be unbeatable by anybody.
I think that Hillary could beat Bush, but not wipe the floor. She is also quite unlikeable on account that she is a huge phony. And Gore is definetly not unbeatable

You mean kind of like Bush? Serving in the military is irrelevant. There are people in the military who agree with Bush and disagree with Bush, just like people who weren't in the military.
Serving in the National Guard to avoid Vietnam doesn't count :o
 
cb48026 said:
That in the 2008 Presidential election, the Democrats will nominate Hillary Clinton for only name recognization and cultural influence, with no regards as to whether or not she could win the general election?

Don't worry about it, there isn't any democrat who can win anyway.
 
cb48026 said:
That in the 2008 Presidential election, the Democrats will nominate Hillary Clinton for only name recognization and cultural influence, with no regards as to whether or not she could win the general election?
Ummm no they won't. Don't you know how a primary works.:down
 
War Lord said:
Don't worry about it, there isn't any democrat who can win anyway.
Warner and/or Al Gore could. Actually running on the same ticket I think they could easily win it.
 
ShadowBoxing said:
Warner and/or Al Gore could. Actually running on the same ticket I think they could easily win it.

Been there, didn't do it.
 
By the way you'd have to be batf*** crazy to think the Republicans would nominate anyone as Northern or Liberal (or a divorcee for that matter) like Guliani to a President or VP role. Totally alienated that Christian Conservative base they have.
 
War Lord said:
Been there, didn't do it.
That works to his advantage actually. He could spin that easily. He was beaten by an extremely unpopular President. He SHOULD have won, at least in some eyes. So he can pretty much run his entire campaign around the notion that "I told you so".
 
ShadowBoxing said:
That works to his advantage actually. He could spin that easily. He was beaten by an extremely unpopular President. He SHOULD have won, at least in some eyes. So he can pretty much run his entire campaign around the notion that "I told you so".

The left are delusional if they think that going very left is a winning ticket. The bulk of the average American voter is slightly to the right.
 
War Lord said:
The left are delusional if they think that going very left is a winning ticket. The bulk of the average American voter is slightly to the right.
But that is the point. Al Gore and Warner of Virginia are both Southern Democrats, neither of whom are traditionally "liberal".
 
ShadowBoxing said:
But that is the point. Al Gore and Warner of Virginia are both Southern Democrats, neither of whom are traditionally "liberal".

Al Gore, from where I stand, is very liberal and probably won't get the public's support come 2008.
 
War Lord said:
Al Gore, from where I stand, is very liberal and probably won't get the public's support come 2008.

He got it in 2000:confused:
 
War Lord said:
Al Gore, from where I stand, is very liberal and probably won't get the public's support come 2008.
He says he is not running as of now. But I suggest you look at his policies. Firstly he was under Bill Clinton, who (I'll laugh at anyone who thinks otherwise) is not "Liberal" at all. In fact he ran on the "New Democrats". Several liberals hated Clinton/Gore especially before they were elected because they were much more comprimising and centered than the others. They also used triangulation. Where they would take an issue and move it to the center rather than taking a hard partisan stance. So if you think either is liberal in the true sense of the word I'd like to see you present proof to back up that claim.
 
Matt said:
I really dislike McCain. He is ineffective (20 years in the senate and what has he really done? Not a thing. His bills are usually either ineffective or simply symbollic. Usually both.)

Plus the man has absolutely no balls. He allows people to walk all over him, then goes crawling back the second they dangle 2008 over his head.

He often talks a tough game but does absolutely nothing when the time comes to act. He is terrified to go against his party, even though many say he is a "maverick". He is ineffectual, because most republicans are wary of his "liberal" views. Most liberals won't touch him because he is a Republican. He is said to be able to put aside partisan and act outside the party lines, but when the time comes to act outside the party lines...he cowers.

The pedestal he is on is entirely undeserved.

Giulliani, is a Republican who put aside party lines and made a difference in New York. McCain is a Republican who claims to do this..yet does nothing.

Giullani is the man I want in office. I'm still undecided where I stand pollitically. I mean, I know my beliefs and where I stand, but I don't know which party I allign with, but I do know that Mr. Giullani is a good man and I'd be able to respect him a hell of a lot more than anyone else they could put up there (besides Colin Powell, but he'll never run). I'd be very happy to know that I voted for Giullani in my first presidential vote.
 

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