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[Parker Wayne]

That is true. That comes down Marvel building enought goodwill with fans and audiences alike to garner that trust. It's the main reason why Ant-Man has a fighting chance at the Box Office.

 

[def28]

Pretty much.

There's a reason we don't hear that kind of negativity with the X-Men franchise. 5 years ago, different story.

If F4 is a good film that will speak for itself. Happened with Quicksilver.

 

[Picard Stewart]

You see, I understand that and would be ok with all of it, except most of the arguments I hear mostly begin and end with "Marvel Studios isn't making it, so this is gonna suck" or "I hope this movie fails so Marvel can get back the rights and do it properly."

For the sake of argument, if this movie (same cast, same director, same tone, same etc.) was being released under Marvel Studios, I hardly doubt people would find this much fault with it like they're doing because it's being made by FOX.

Post of the year.

If Marvel Studios was making Trank's FF as is the Disney fanboys would be completely on board.

The whole "it doesn't resemble the FF we want, yadda yadda" is a mask for their anti-Fox agenda.

None of those fans care about any deviations done by Marvel Studios and there are tons, with Mandarin at the top of the list and the butchering of Hank Pym in second place.

If Disney was behind Trank's UFF adaptation the FF forum would actually be habitable. Instead I'm literally so turned off by it I basically can't discuss the film here in SHH unless its in other forums like this one.

But I'll say it again, if Trank's FF is received positively by the critics and actually fares better with them than AOU did, it'll be a massive blow to some detestable egos that are currently very empowered here in these forums.

Hopefully Trank blows everyone away with his reboot and this "it should all go back to Marvel" internet crap can finally come to a close.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

But I'll say it again, if Trank's FF is received positively by the critics and actually fares better with them than AOU did, it'll be a massive blow to some detestable egos that are currently very empowered here in these forums.

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[Flint Marko]

If you honestly think that the minuscule changes Marvel has made to C-list characters like the Mandarin and Whiplash are comparable to Trank's "lo-fi, gritty" adaption of the FF where they wear trash bags and fight a blogging Dr. Doom Domashev in a trash bag.... then you are deluding yourself.

 

[Best]

If Marvel Studios was making Trank's FF as is the Disney fanboys would be completely on board.

That's like saying if Fox did Avengers: Age of Ultron, their fans would be eating it up. DC fans would be eating up Guardians of the Galaxy's success if it was WB's outing. Goes both ways.

None of those fans care about any deviations done by Marvel Studios and there are tons, with Mandarin at the top of the list and the butchering of Hank Pym in second place.

Saying Marvel fans ignore deviations is like saying X-Men fans ignore all the deviations Fox made within the last 15 years. In fact I haven't seen one argument, particularly as of late where X-Men fans can explain [in Fox's defense] without bringing up Marvel fans/The Mandarin/Hank Pym, etc. It's become the first and last line of defense.

But I'll say it again, if Trank's FF is received positively by the critics and actually fares better with them than AOU did, it'll be a massive blow to some detestable egos that are currently very empowered here in these forums.

If it fares better with the critics if fares better with the critics. But they won't exactly change any one of those minds your talking about. That's up to them. If F4 does better with the critics than Age of Ultron, I'd bet we'll see Fox fans acting just like any excessive fanboys in this situation. This situation being, say, look at what happened with Man of Steel - some Marvel fans deeming it a failure due to consensus, some DC fans happy with what they got. Age of Ultron - some DC/Fox fans deeming it a failure due to consensus, some Marvel fans happy with what they got. Again, same thing here, except in reverse - some Fox fans deeming it a major success, some Marvel fans unhappy with what they got. It won't be any prettier.

Hopefully Trank blows everyone away with his reboot and this "it should all go back to Marvel" internet crap can finally come to a close.

It would be great to see that. However as much as I don't understand some of the more excessive hate towards the reboot, can you really deny why some may be hoping for the rights to revert? Fox have had 3 previous attempts and all disappointed. Now, chanting for this reboot to fail is wrong. But not happy with what they've seen? That's fine, and so is wanting the rights to revert with those feelings. Although of course some have turned that into permission to endlessly chant for it's failure...

 

[X-Maniac]

If you honestly think that the minuscule changes Marvel has made to C-list characters like the Mandarin and Whiplash are comparable to Trank's "lo-fi, gritty" adaption of the FF where they wear trash bags and fight a blogging Dr. Doom Domashev in a trash bag.... then you are deluding yourself.

That's a rather ridiculous overreaction.

It will be the mainstream that decide if the film's a success and, even then, it will be based on whether they are interested and satisfied rather than because of its comic book accuracy.

Internet fanboyism means very little. The voices are loud online but it ain't the real world.

Even if F4 doesn't do that well, it won't be because of closeness (or not) to the comic books.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Skrull Invasion would be awesome!!

 

[marvelrobbins]

FF Is clearly based on ultimate FF which they have hardly tried to deny.

MCU itself has elements of the ultimates,616 elements,and some reimaging.
Same with Amazing Spider-man 1 and 2.

Days of future past itself took from ultimate X-Men the idea of magneto
taking control of Sentinles.

After second trailer for FF the "grounded" comments which the anti-FF people keep throwing are way overblown.

Every studio makes changes.That's a fact.

Few X-Men films fans are going around hoping MCU films fail like they do to fox films and like they used to do to Sony.

I prefer CW DC shows over abc marvel shows but i don't go around hoping agents of shield and agent Carter fail.I have no intrest In ant-man but i don't go around hoping it fails.Due to oporions of some X-Men film fans i respect on this board i am going to finally break down and watch GOTG on DVD.
You will find plenty of others hoping fox marvel films fail.

 

[Zarex]

Post of the year.

If Marvel Studios was making Trank's FF as is the Disney fanboys would be completely on board.

The whole "it doesn't resemble the FF we want, yadda yadda" is a mask for their anti-Fox agenda.

None of those fans care about any deviations done by Marvel Studios and there are tons, with Mandarin at the top of the list and the butchering of Hank Pym in second place.

If Disney was behind Trank's UFF adaptation the FF forum would actually be habitable. Instead I'm literally so turned off by it I basically can't discuss the film here in SHH unless its in other forums like this one.

But I'll say it again, if Trank's FF is received positively by the critics and actually fares better with them than AOU did, it'll be a massive blow to some detestable egos that are currently very empowered here in these forums.

Hopefully Trank blows everyone away with his reboot and this "it should all go back to Marvel" internet crap can finally come to a close.

The idea that the criticism directed towards FFINO is because of posters picking on poor widdle FOX is totally and laughably wrong. So why is it that FOX's recent X-Men films have been widely lauded by many of these same posters? And virtually everything that we've been seeing from Deadpool has been praised?

If Marvel Studios tried to pass off the joke known as FFINO as a proper interpretation of Marvel's First Family they would receive a similar amount of criticism from long time fans of the FF. But you know that already

 

[Parker Wayne]

I think there are fair points made all around.

Marvel does get more support from people, fans and GA alike because like I said, they've put out consisently good (good in the sense that both critics and audiences like them) for several years now. They have built up plenty of goodwill for audiences to trust going to their movies. It's one of the key reasons Guardians of the Galaxy was such a huge Box Office Hit.

Also at the same time, while there are deviantions with Marvel, none of them are that major. Making Hank Pym old and what they did with the Mandarin are only a few things. Also, have you been to those forums after Iron Man 3 was released and Hank Pym was announced to be Michael Douglas? Those forums weren't pretty. Fans b***hed about it all day and night. For the most part, though Marvel has gotten the heroes, and their worlds right (though they could use a bit more help on the villain front and there's room for improve for Thor in general, personally).

 

[Parker Wayne]

I will say this, Fox is slowly building up goodwill X-Men. First Class, The Wolverine, and DOFP were all good movies.

 

[Sithborg]

Strangely, I can handle an impenetrable wall of negativity over the random timeline/continuity discussions or OT actor whining.

Look, there is at least one poster in the FF forums that is just pure MCU fanboy. But, he also has his mirror counterpart. The vast majority have legitimate criticisms. You just have to not take it personally. I mean, I'm interested in the movie, but I have to acknowledge the Doom as a blogger jokes just write themselves.

 

[Picard Stewart]

If Marvel Studios tried to pass off the joke known as FFINO as a proper interpretation of Marvel's First Family they would receive a similar amount of criticism from long time fans of the FF. But you know that already

I started reading your post and began seeing a genuinely unbiased opinion - until I arrived at the above statement.

You're exactly the type of poster that makes those FF forums unbearable and hopefully the film's success can disarm you and the rest of the rabid Disney fandom that's so prevalent here in SHH.

Originally I wanted Trank's FF to succeed because I'm a UFF fan and I like everyone involved with the project, starting with Trank. Now I want it to succeed for both the above and to vanquish the internet monstrosity that is the Disney fan's vendetta against Fox's UFF adaptation.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Now I want it to succeed for both the above and to vanquish the internet monstrosity that is the Disney fan's vendetta against Fox's UFF adaptation.

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[Picard Stewart]

 

[kevork89]

It's so sad that people can't just enjoy all the movies instead of having to let who has the rights be what controls their opinions. Honestly who gives a flying f%@k. Fox has made and has owned up to their mistakes in the past and are in the right direction with their franchises. And are making good movies. I for one think FF is going to be amazing if it's anything like First Class/DoFP it will be. People just need to shut their mouths and get over it. Big bloody whoop Marvel don't have X-Men and Fantastic Four. Who cares movies are getting made. Isn't that awesome enough?

I don't care too much about comic book movies deviating from the source because 80% - 90% of the people who watch the movies know nothing or very little about the comics and backstories. In my group of friends and family when we go watch comic book movies I'm the only one who knows anything about the original comics. 1 person out of about 20 people that I've gone and seen comic book movies with. And they ask me what's the story and all that. Half the time there's not too many similarities anyway. GotG is different so was TWS, Ultron, DoFP, First Class. No comic book movie has been fully truthful to their original comic. It's backstories that are usually what's kept somewhat accurate. And even those have been changed before and will change again. Who cares!!! Just enjoy what Fox, Marvel, Sony, WB etc put out and be happy we have all these fun awesome comic book movies.

 

[Picard Stewart]

It's so sad that people can't just enjoy all the movies instead of having to let who has the rights be what controls their opinions. Honestly who gives a flying f%@k. Fox has made and has owned up to their mistakes in the past and are in the right direction with their franchises. And are making good movies. I for one think FF is going to be amazing if it's anything like First Class/DoFP it will be. People just need to shut their mouths and get over it. Big bloody whoop Marvel don't have X-Men and Fantastic Four. Who cares movies are getting made. Isn't that awesome enough?

I don't care too much about comic book movies deviating from the source because 80% - 90% of the people who watch the movies know nothing or very little about the comics and backstories. In my group of friends and family when we go watch comic book movies I'm the only one who knows anything about the original comics. 1 person out of about 20 people that I've gone and seen comic book movies with. And they ask me what's the story and all that. Half the time there's not too many similarities anyway. GotG is different so was TWS, Ultron, DoFP, First Class. No comic book movie has been fully truthful to their original comic. It's backstories that are usually what's kept somewhat accurate. And even those have been changed before and will change again. Who cares!!! Just enjoy what Fox, Marvel, Sony, WB etc put out and be happy we have all these fun awesome comic book movies.

Great post.

 

[kevork89]

Thank you. You and I clearly share similar views on this

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

I'd love to see X-Men/Fantastic Four vs Badoon

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Silver Surfer too

The Badoon is the link between X-Men Fantastic Four and Silver Surfer.

Mutants saving humanity from.Aliens would be crazy!!

 

[kevork89]

Cool but who knows where the Badoon's rights are. I would say Marvel have them.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Cool but who knows where the Badoon's rights are. I would say Marvel have them.

The Badoon are X-Men/Silver Surfer/Fantasic Four villains. FoX Baby

James Gunn, February 2014.

"Marvel only partially owns Skrulls, and also for the record, we don't own the Badoon either. So people were asking why we have the Sakaaran in the film, we don't own the Badoon."

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Also Marvel is all in on the Kree it seems. So it's time for FoX to make plans for Super Skrull. X-Men/FF: Secret Invasion!?

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[kevork89]

Ahhhh awesome didn't know that.

 

[Picard Stewart]

^can't wait for this franchise to go interstellar. Apocalypse will hint at Celestial technology.

I hope we get a Starjammers movie down the line. They'll be this franchise's GOTG.